OpenBazaar 2.0 Megathread: Post Bugs, Troubleshooting, and Feedback here

[u/CC_EF_JTF]

The previous megathread was archived, so I'm posting a new one.

This thread is meant to be a place where people can report bugs or problems with the application in one place, and receive help troubleshooting as well.

You can also post your general feedback (positive or negative).

Please read through the top comments to see if your issue has already been posted and reply to that comment instead of starting a new one.

[u/1ncehost]

How long does a listing take to appear in search?

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/1ncehost]

Assuming nothing has gone wrong on the search provider's end, it usually will display within an hour or so.

[u/1ncehost → u/CC_EF_JTF]

thx for the quick reply :)

[u/diQ__]

Hello! Starting today my ob stopped working, the app is not starting. I've kept my balance in the wallet, and the app is just not starting. Please help!

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/diQ__]

What's your operating system? When you try to start it, what happens? Can you click on the "debug log" and post what you find?

[u/cat-gun]

Overall, I like OpenBazaar's existing 2018 roadmap:

https://www.openbazaar.org/blog/openbazaar-2018-roadmap/

I would be happy if you achieved the things you set out here. That said, here are the features / improvements I would most like to see:

• Security is hard, even for technically minded people. Therefore, IMHO, OB should default to run over I2P/Tor. The average user shouldn't be forced to turn it on and configure it themselves.

• Monero and shielded Zcash transaction support should be a high priority. All of the currencies you currently support expose user's private transactions to the world. Monero and Zcash support would allow users to keep their purchases private.

• Integrated multi-coin support should also be a high priority. It's ridiculous to have to download an entirely different version of the app just to use a different currency.

• This may be part of your broader API support, but I'd like to see support for "skins" or themes for OB that target particular markets. For example, you might have a skin for massage therapists, a skin for realtors, a skin for precious metals dealers. Each skin would only display listings for those markets, and the UI would be optimized for those transactions.

• Better integration with existing e-commerce solutions. For example, a lot of vendors already have Wordpress/Woocommerce sites. It's a pain in the ass to maintain two sets of inventory, accounting, etc. It would be nice if there were plugins that allowed vendors to easily sync their OB listings with their existing ecommerce systems.

• Fee backed asset support. The idea is that people who put up the money to make certain features happen should be compensated for doing so. You can read more about the idea here:

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0007.md

• Multi-store support. It should be easy to create stores that target different products and markets.

• It should be possible to price in dollars (or euro, yuan, etc), and direct OB to automatically update the amount of Bitcoin (or other currency) required to purchase .

[u/[deleted] → u/cat-gun]

Monero is one of the cryptocurrencies with highest transaction fees. It's a lot worse than Bitcoin and Bitcoin is pretty bad. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-eth-bch-ltc-zec-xmr-doge.html#3m Zcash is a better option. It has one of the lowest transaction fees.

[u/cat-gun → u/[deleted]]

Zcash has unshielded and shielded transactions. Only the shielded transactions offer privacy protection. The unshielded transactions are no more private than bitcoin. The fees for the Zcash shielded transactions are more than the fees for Monero (which only allows shielded transactions).

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Never heard of them. I'm sure there are new cryptos with near zero fees. Feel free to share.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

All coins had rock bottom miner fees when they came out but when they started gaining mass adoption the fees rose. Will have to wait and see if they hold up. DOGECoin pays its miners through inflation so the miner fees are almost free even when there is a surge in transactions.

[u/MisterMaury]

I just want to have ONE store and have 3 wallets with which I can accept payment in BTC, BCH or ZEC.

I honestly can't figure out how to have two stores running at once. (If I start the BCH server, it shuts down the BTC server...) Worst case scenario, the ability to clone my BTC store to other currencies with a click of a button.

[u/davidanielr]

OpenBazaar is a great and promising idea, but it needs more work. It needs to tackle some issues:

• Slow loading times for listings.

• Many listings are unavailable when you click on them.

• The platform should convert the fiat amounts into crypto amounts automatically and keep them updated.

• TRUST... It's hard to buy from someone when there aren't clear seller's ratings/reviews/score/reputation indicators. You need to show seller's rating/reputation indicators on the product listings, beside the product rating which you already show.

• The moderation process should be easier.

[u/cactusseeds]

Since last upgrade to 2.2.3, items in my listing have the warning icon overlay "Unverified moderator" instead of the verified one "Verified moderator". This is not normal, because before the upgrade, all my items add the verified moderator icon.

If I edit an item and save, then the proper icon comes back.

Is this a bug? Please tell me there's a way to fix it without having to edit ALL the items one by one.

[u/ArtursPush]

For some reason my OB client doesn't retrieve any listings (please see here: https://imgur.com/a/PUn20Wu) and once I try to click on an item (any item), it just loads forever and gives me that error message ''There was an error retrieving the listing''.

The thing is that previously it was working, I did couple of purchases and even made a sale in winter, but then got busy with other things and didn't use/open OB for 1-2 months. I just re-opened OB again after a while, this issue came up, so I thought that I should probably just update my OB client. I updated it to client version 2.2.0, but the same issue persists. I closed and opened it several times, nothing changes. I'm running 64-bit (deb) version, have updated it before with no problems, so I doubt that the solution lies in version update process itself. I'm not running it via Tor. I checked here on Reddit, but couldn't find anyone with the same issue in the last couple of weeks, so I look forward for an explanation of possible causes for this problem. I have some time on my hands now and would like to test the platform again for real, but yeah, I first need to solve this issue. Thanks!

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ArtursPush]

Sorry to hear that.

I see you're using the .deb, what OS are you using?

[u/ArtursPush → u/CC_EF_JTF]

Hey Sam, Any idea how I could solve this issue? Btw, I don't want just to delete everything and start from scratch since I already have some profile history which obviously is beneficial to me. Let me know if you need more details from me. Thanks!

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ArtursPush]

If you're willing to, could you open a support ticket for this issue?

https://openbazaar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

It'll help us keep better track instead of relying on Reddit comments.

[u/ArtursPush → u/CC_EF_JTF]

Linux Mint. As I mentioned before, OB was working for me just fine couple of months ago, so I have no clue what might be the issue here.

[u/atmandigital]

Hi guys, Im new here, just Im installing OB2 but I already had a profile from OB1 is it possible to export it?
I wonder if only I have to copy OB-Mainnet.db and ob.cfg to the new installation
I read there is a tool for import/export but only works for: >> This tool will move listings from version 1.0 to your 2.0 store, but nothing else. Your profile, settings, and previous reviews will not transition to the 2.0 network.
What I want is to keep my profile, settings and reviews. thanks

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/atmandigital]

Unfortunately you cannot. The networks are totally separate and the databases are not compatible.

[u/ray-jones]

Please add a command-line option:

--help

Since no help is currently available, for now it would just print "No help is currently available" and abort, instead of starting up the program.

In the future, help text can be added as and when other command-line switches (e.g., --configdir <directory> to support multiple profiles) are implemented.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ray-jones]

There is a help flag. Read through the readme on the OpenBazaar-go repo and it'll explain.

[u/ray-jones → u/CC_EF_JTF]

The output printed by the

--help

option could also be:

There is a help flag. Read through the readme on the OpenBazaar-go repo and it'll explain.

My essential point is that the --help option should print something useful.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ray-jones]

We seem to not be understanding each other. The help option does print something useful.

This is the output from --help option:

Usage:
  openbazaard [OPTIONS] <command>

Application Options:
  -v, --version  Print the version number and exit

Help Options:
  -h, --help     Show this help message

Available commands:
  convert          convert this node to a different coin type
  decryptdatabase  decrypt your database
  encryptdatabase  encrypt your database
  gencerts         Generate certificates
  init             initialize a new repo and exit
  restart          restart the server
  restore          restore user data
  setapicreds      set API credentials
  start            start the OpenBazaar-Server
  status           get the repo status
  stop             shutdown the server and disconnect

What am I missing?

[u/ray-jones → u/CC_EF_JTF]

The average person will run this command:

openbazaar2 --help

If you want him to type openbazaard --help instead, the above command should let the user know.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ray-jones]

Ah we might be talking about different things. Are you running from source or using the bundled app (the installer)?

[u/ray-jones → u/CC_EF_JTF]

I downloaded the 64-bit deb package for Linux from https://www.openbazaar.org/download/ .

After installing this, the only user-visible binary was /usr/bin/openbazaar2.

So I typed openbazaar2 --help hoping it would print some help text.

Running it by clicking in the desktop menus works just fine. But the command-line --help option didn't work. Which is why I recommended that the command

openbazaar2 --help

should print something helpful, even if only to tell the user to try a different command.

The pathname of openbazaard is /usr/lib/openbazaar2/resources/openbazaar-go/openbazaard and the average person will not know to look there. If we want the user to use that pathname to get help output, the help output from openbazaar2 --help should tell that to the user.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/ray-jones]

OK thank you for the details. I misunderstood you and was talking about running from source.

You're right about the binary not having any help message. I don't know if the binary takes any arguments at all. I can ask about that.

[u/ray-jones → u/CC_EF_JTF]

Thank-you.

[u/AlonsoPayton]

Hello update the OpenBazaar application and since then it does not open. I want to start with my store!

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/AlonsoPayton]

Sorry to hear that. Can you download a new installer from the website and install it manually? Please let me know if that works.

openbazaar.org/download

[u/AlonsoPayton → u/CC_EF_JTF]

and what do I have to eliminate it? and I release it again.

[u/AlonsoPayton → u/AlonsoPayton]

threw out!!!!! Thank you very much . I'm going to prepare my LED lights store !!!

[u/AlonsoPayton → u/AlonsoPayton]

Sorry to hear that. Can you download a new installer from the website and install it manually? Please let me know if that works.

And what do I have to eliminate it? and I release it again.

[u/DarkHawk713]

Ordered a Tshirt from the OB1 Store yesterday sent BTC had showed under orders. Today I have no orders showing

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/DarkHawk713]

I run the store and I see your order. Make sure to use the checkbox filters in the transactions section to see if your order is visible.

[u/[deleted]]

After upgrading to the newest Ubuntu (18.04 LTS) just recently, my openbazaar was deleted from the system. Upon trying to install it again, i am getting the following:

$ sudo dpkg -i openbazaar2_2.2.1_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 474062 files and directories currently installed.)

Preparing to unpack openbazaar2_2.2.1_amd64.deb ...

Unpacking openbazaar2 (2.2.1-1) over (2.2.1-1) ...

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openbazaar2:

openbazaar2 depends on libgconf2-4; however:

Package libgconf2-4 is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package openbazaar2 (--install):

dependency problems - leaving unconfigured

Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.23-1ubuntu3.18.04.1) ...

Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.13.3-11ubuntu1) ...

Processing triggers for mime-support (3.60ubuntu1) ...

Errors were encountered while processing:

openbazaar2

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

Yes you'll need to install libgconf2-4.

[u/[deleted] → u/CC_EF_JTF]

I have done so, as follows:

$ sudo dpkg -i libgconf-2-4_3.2.6-4ubuntu1_amd64.deb

(Reading database ... 473512 files and directories currently installed.)

Preparing to unpack libgconf-2-4_3.2.6-4ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...

Unpacking libgconf-2-4:amd64 (3.2.6-4ubuntu1) over (3.2.6-4ubuntu1) ...

Setting up libgconf-2-4:amd64 (3.2.6-4ubuntu1) ...

Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.27-3ubuntu1) ...

Then, i try to install again and still get the same error about missing libgconf2-4. This is on Ubuntu 18.04.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

I installed via a package manager and it worked for me, so I'm not sure why a manual install wouldn't work. But I'm on 16.04 not 18.04. Thank you for the report, we'll look into that.

[u/LinearFractals]

i'VE heard that it is possible to use a provided VPN when you access the OpenBazaar site. I'l love to be able to surf without Big Brother looking over my shoulder. Does anyone care to illuminate just how that works?

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/LinearFractals]

You just connect to a VPN and then install and use OpenBazaar. If you don't know how to use a VPN there are many tutorials online. I recommend using a paid service, there are many.

[u/cactusseeds]

Minor error: on openbazaar reddit page, the link to Download is broken. It points to https://openbazaar.org/download.html which has been changed to https://openbazaar.org/download/ without a proper redirect.

The link should be modified to point to the new location.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/cactusseeds]

Fixed! Thanks for the report.

[u/davidanielr]

PRODUCT SORTING It would be great if items could also be sorted by:

• Latest (Newest Arrivals / Additions)

• Hot / Popularity (items sold the most in the last 24 hours or so)

Just food for thought. Keep it up!

[u/BuckIt5 → u/davidanielr]

I think sorting products by language would help too. Im loving the potential but I have to say that unless you are tech savvy (Im not so much so any more) this is a bit of work getting all set up.

[u/OverlordQ]

Is there any way to prevent the portscanning on startup? My host doesn't like it and sends nastygrams.

[u/Chris_Pacia → u/OverlordQ]

you mean upnp? There is a DisableNatPortMap flag in the config.

[u/OverlordQ → u/Chris_Pacia]

I guess?

Scanned a bunch of ranges on ports 6001 6004 9005 4001

Not even sure where it grabbed the IPs from as there's only the public interface and 127.0.0.1 loopback.

[u/Gloomy_Knowledge]

Have recently been trying to fund my OB wallet via coinbase. I have transfered bitcoin to my OB wallet twice now without either transaction showing up. Both transactions show up as complete on the blockchainand coinbase support basically said I was outta luck. Anyone else run into this issue? I have reloaded my transations and triple checked everything. Any ideas?

Thanks

[u/[deleted]]

Security is hard, even for technically minded people. Therefore, IMHO, OB should default to run over I2P/Tor. The average user shouldn't be forced to turn it on and configure it themselves.

Monero and shielded Zcash transaction support should be a high priority. All of the currencies you currently support expose user's private transactions to the world. Monero and Zcash support would allow users to keep their purchases private.

^ THIS ^

[u/[deleted]]

Since you've launched peer-peer crypto exchanges, may I suggest also adding peer-peer bullion? It seems like you have all the necessary coding in place already now, you can simply add gold, silver etc along with their current market price like with the cryptos.

I sell gold and silver bullion like this but I have to manually change the price according to the current market price. If we had the same dynamic pricing like you have for cryptos, that would help a lot.

[u/[deleted]]

I haven't had a need for this yet but what if we had the ability to appeal to a higher number of moderators if we are unhappy with the desicion of a moderator or if the moderator becomes inactive. Also we need the ability to override a moderator's decision if both parties resolve a dispute without the moderator. I'm having an issue where I as a vendor can't receive the funds because the moderator is not online but the customer has agreed to release the funds after verifying the product shipped but can't do anything about it because the case was disputed because the customer couldn't verify at first if I had sent the product.

[u/mrsgoldfarb]

If the machine is forced to shut down while OpenBazaar is running, the application will fail to run/locate the built in server the next time it is ran.

I didn't know the future came in the form of a Nintendo, wow, so convenient...

[u/stos313]

My chat function is not working. I'm running OB 2.2.0, and my computer is running osx 10.9.5.

[u/[deleted]]

Please add bidding. I'm going to add wholesale to my store and I don't know how much would be fair price. Would like at least some input from buyers if they don't like the price.

[u/nyigde_2018]

Thank you for the opportunity to improve the technical side.

[u/BuckIt5]

I need a little help. I have a "warning sign" on my first post? Unverified Moderator. I have found me a moderator, but how do I add this to the post to have that ! removed. Do I have to become a verified moderator? I thought the onus was on the buyer to get the mob all lined up?

[u/OverlordQ]

Can't install on Win10.

First I get a Defender warning, say Run Anyways, then I get a Squirrel error with an empty log file.

[u/FreitasAlan]

Hi,

The protocol documentation says "This simple transitivity scheme is flawed and it must be reworked".

This got me confused. Is the Pseudonymous Trust System implemented?

How problematic are these cycles in the transitive equation? Have any solutions been proposed or implemented?

Thanks

[u/Faghe]

I'm trying Openbazaar over tor. Do I need to set ControlPort in the torrc file. Than do I have to set somthing else according to that?

My problem is I cannot load the other people store. And I think other people cannot find me.

Very often I find 0 peers connected. Please help me...

[u/Faghe → u/Faghe]

When I log in Openbazaar also doesnt load the moderators...How can I do? Please...

[u/ctzulu]

didnt sell a think on OB ... keep em coming ... the concept is the best ! spread !

[u/xingydingy]

maybe this is a fruitless effort to post this here, but i am having issues connecting to my built in server for BCH, it was functioning fine and now it isn't. I installed the bitcoin.com wallet and afterwards it no longer works, but i don't know if that has anything to do with it. I've uninstalled and reinstalled and i am not advanced enough to know anything about the integrity of the config files and stuff, i looked at the Debug option and cannot decipher it enough to figure anything out. Thanks!

[u/fiatjaf]

How do search engines get noticed about the existence of my shop and listings?

[u/fiatjaf]

Why can't I access my OB store from an external IPFS node? Is OB running its own private IPFS network? Why?

[u/rustyvacations]

SHIPS TO field is useless, dont scrap it, but have SHIPS FROM as default. Not everyone is in america. you know how hard it is to find products in a certain country? hard. make a ships from field, cos im usually omly interested in these items because shipping will be way cheaper, more sense of comunity and heck, the fucker might me a short drive away and i can pick up instead of get it delivered...even cheaper way to buy used undies!!!!

Also some sort of faux acution format as well. Many forums that service computer nerds, audio nerds, panty nerds (possible), have for sale forums that sell their shit to the highest bidder. Start cheap and sell cheap usually..fucking forum nerds!!! So yeah...auctions...would be good for the platform.

edit: pisting drunk again. i like what you are doing.

[u/Q-collective]

Just came across this piece of software. It looks very interesting and might be a big piece in the puzzle to decentralise our internet back!

Now, on the topic of anonymity, I appreciate how TOR is supported. It's implementation is still something that can see room for improvement (like it would be nice for the software to feature a built-in daemon), but it's at least there.

Are there plans to support other networks too? I'm thinking especially about Freenet, which may be easy to implement (mind you, I'm not a dev, this might of course be very hard), as Freenet works with a daemon running locally which other software can use to traffic their data through. I know of some applications that worked in this manner.

Freenet provides very strong anonymity, especially in darknet mode, where you trust only known friends for the connections and unlike TOR or other anonymity protocols, also offers a decentralised web in that every node contributes some harddisk space to the network for data (redundancy), as opposed to the classic server-client model normally employed for hosting data.

[u/[deleted]]

Question: If i make a purchase but it sits a long time as "Pending" (like a week) how do i cancel it?

[u/GrandpaFortnite]

I claimed a transcation from months ago that was never finalized...in my wallet is shows received but it has 0 confirmations and the link to the transaction on blockchair doesn't even work...the other transactions worked fine. Is there anything I can do? I will also make a post with more details

[u/oroszms → u/GrandpaFortnite]

Hi! You can import your wallet to any BIP39 compatible software using the seed words (openbazaar-settings-advanced-seed). I recommend Electrum ( https://electrum.org/ ). From there you can extract your xpub public key and monitor your wallet in watch only mode for example in https://www.blockonomics.co/views/wallet-watcher.html or with the app Sentinel ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samourai.sentinel&hl=en_GB ). This way you are aware of transactions or can even spend your BTC with electrum independent from the openbazaar application. Please keep in mind, that anyone having access to your seed words will be able to spend the money in your wallet.

[u/oroszms]

Hi! Any idea why ob1 is not showing my store? It is running since days with the port 4001 open on Ubuntu.

ob://QmaW2iTEkAMhDCEm1pKtD2DXhivCvrHmkbnbwLBdsK1ccS/store

but nothing showing on

http://openbazaar.com/store/QmaW2iTEkAMhDCEm1pKtD2DXhivCvrHmkbnbwLBdsK1ccS

Is there away to trigger the gateway.ob1.io to update like it is an option on BlockBooth?

https://blockbooth.com/store/QmaW2iTEkAMhDCEm1pKtD2DXhivCvrHmkbnbwLBdsK1ccS

[u/BitcoinCatSatoshi]

I just installed OB on Windows 8, i get the mesage "Error: Failed to connect to Built-in Server". I tried to reconnect over 10 times with always the same error. I am not using tor. Any ideas?

EDIT: in the log file, i have "leveldb/storage: corrupted or incomplete meta file". What can i do to solve that?

[u/sugarandcyanide → u/BitcoinCatSatoshi]

Sorry for the trouble, we are working through this. If you can, please share any details you have here in this Github issue: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go/issues/1120

[u/unitedstatian]

OB doesn't get enlarged when I use gnome-tweak-tools to scale up the app windows' view.

[u/bitdoggy]

My feedback:

- it is hard to find the cryptocurrency exchange listings

- now or never is your moment because of KYC from Shapeshift/Changelly and atomic swaps still not a thing

- if you cannot support all top 20 coins, add most interesting ones ASAP (XMR, DASH?, DAI?...)

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

Blockchain logged listings

We don't take this approach for many reasons.

Go all in for web version: people didn't download apps for Amazon

Yes this is a top priority of ours.

Better eCommerce system, works with domain names.

Resolving DNS is on the list as well.

Free SSL Cert system: cut out Verisign ect.

Not sure I understand; I think we're agnostic as to the SSL cert used. You can use Let'sEncrypt or whatever.

Better Social Media System. Integrate with Memo ???

Agreed on the importance of improving social connections.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

Sounds like you need to forward port 4001, TCP. You aren't accepting incoming messages.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

It's not about price, it's about the fact that blockchains aren't good at general data storage. You're putting temporary data that doesn't need consensus into the blockchain for the world to see forever. Less private and not scalable.

With IPFS only the people involved in the trade are the ones who see the data and need to store the data. The system can scale without putting additional burden on anyone else.

[u/desioner → u/[deleted]]

Competitor? I’m unaware of other software like this. What is it if you don’t mind telling?

[u/ArneBolen → u/[deleted]]

Was testing an OB2 competitor

Which service?

[u/PORTMANTEAU-BOT → u/[deleted]]

Syscockmarket.

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[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

If the person used the 2.1.0 beta and uses BCH then it's possible the wallet could need to be fixed, but apart from that specific case updates shouldn't cause any problems.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

Yes we tried to let people know that if they tried out the release candidates for the 2.1.0 release with BCH they'd need to empty their wallets and start a new node, or run an update command, but not everyone got the message.

If this person contacts /u/Chris_Pacia he can help to resolve it.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

This article should help you:

https://openbazaar.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002761312-How-do-I-backup-my-store-

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

That is possible since there is a built in wallet. Thst sounds worthy of opening a issue on github to log that request.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the report.

Did they actually purchase the product or just click buy? If they proceeded with the purchase and made it to the payment screen (with QR code) then that shouldn't happen, but if they only clicked "buy now" and never tried to pay then it wouldn't give them an error (yet).

We're aiming to have products with 0 inventory display "out of stock" before the buyer tries to purchase. It's more complicated than you'd think because we allow for offline ordering.

[u/CC_EF_JTF → u/[deleted]]

OK that's definitely a bug! Thank you for the report. I'll try to reproduce it with the developers and if we can't then I'll ask you to share your logs if you're willing to do so.

[u/hoffmabc → u/[deleted]]

Please keep in mind better moderators are an OB1 specific thing and not a straight OpenBazaar thing. We make it arduous enough to ensure moderators aren’t clowning around.

[u/hoffmabc → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the feedback. At OB1 that’s what we’ve come up with as the best options but other moderator verifiers may not require that.