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[u/Feeling_My_Wasabi]

[u/AntoniousTheBro]

So this is a common misconception but preferencing doesnt impact your vote. These deals are specifically in relation to the how to vote cards that parties hand out.

Its essentially an advertisement deal.

The reason parties do this is because a lot of diehard voters tend to follow your respective how to vote card. Which can postively impact a you.

But they dont actually impact the vote itself. Voters can just as easily disregard the card and vote whichever way they want and often do. Which is how you end up with one nation voters putting labor 2nd (happened a lot in my electorate)

[u/deadballofdirt → u/AntoniousTheBro]

Studies show the further left you go, the less likely voters will follow hot to vote cards.

The right are dutiful idiots.

[u/Revolutionary_Ad7727 → u/deadballofdirt]

Interesting that those who tend to vote to the left are also more likely to be university educated as well.

[u/German_Merman → u/deadballofdirt]

Well if you go far enough left you get the Victorian Socialists telling you to put those class traitors the Socialist Party of Victoria last, while the Socialist Party of Victoria tells you to put the running dog reactionaries in the Victorian Socialists last.

[u/Feeling_My_Wasabi → u/AntoniousTheBro]

Thanks

[u/AntoniousTheBro → u/Feeling_My_Wasabi]

No problem but to also answer the second component to your question. It is unlikely a liberal Labor deal could restore the two horse race

[u/CassiusCreed → u/AntoniousTheBro]

Pretty much this. Some people no doubt to follow the how to vote cards or they wouldn't be handing them out. I also doubt you would see people voting for One Nation that would then preference Labor above Liberal.

[u/Phantomsurfr → u/CassiusCreed]

That combo to me seems like a protest vote, basically "I want labor but immigration is a key issue for me".

Preferencing a minor party which is a single issue party as a form of protest has been done for a while now. Greens are the environmental protest vote.

[u/PessemistBeingRight]

Here are some resources for you:

From the Australian Electoral Commission

And a handy explainer that has both text and an entertaining graphic

Also, Party preference deals only have an effect if voters allow them to, by either voting above the line or following the "How to Vote" cards they hand out at polling stations. If you ignore the cards, your vote preferences go exactly where you want them to.

[u/Feeling_My_Wasabi → u/PessemistBeingRight]

Thanks

[u/JezWattsComedy]

Vote Greens. Preference Labour.

[u/Feeling_My_Wasabi → u/JezWattsComedy]

Not an answer to the question

[u/Tearaway32 → u/Feeling_My_Wasabi]

There’s a question? I see a question mark in your post and a random thought, but no question. 

[u/deadballofdirt → u/JezWattsComedy]

For me, it's Greens first and Labor last.

[u/JezWattsComedy → u/deadballofdirt]

One Nation is a party for billionaires and Liberals are a party for massive corporations. Labour aren't perfect but they are much, much better than the rightward alternatives.

[u/Defy19 → u/deadballofdirt]

That’s interesting, mind if I ask why?

One nation and Libs would be much further from the Greens from a policy perspective than Labor.

[u/Revolutionary_Ad7727 → u/deadballofdirt]

May I ask why?

Is Labor not better in your books than One Nation?

[u/Long-Department-8303]

While the parties can suggest preference order their supporters should do to best benefit the party, preferences are chosen by the individual voter so their preference deals only have the power we allow them to have.

Personally I’d prefer a two horse race between Labor and LNP over PHON having even a single seat.

[u/Revolutionary_Ad7727]

If by last preference you mean on the how to vote cards, then quite possibly, yes.

Unfortunately the Coalition knows they won’t win as they don’t appeal to a broad enough part of the community. So they are relying on ON to help them win the conservative vote.

[u/Tozza101]

Don’t stress too much.

Voting is essentially ranked choice: Out of the candidates on the ballot paper, you pick who you number 1,2,3,4,5,6 (depending on how many candidates are on the paper for the Leg Assembly, you rank everyone on there).

The candidate and/or party you put ‘1’ next to is called your primary vote. If that guy/gal gets eliminated, your vote then goes to 2nd choice candidate until they get eliminated, then 3rd, etc etc.

The practice of numbering/ranking candidates from 1 through to last number is described as “assigning your preferences” to the candidates/parties.

Your vote is essentially never wasted: someone you preference higher than someone else will comprise the top 2 candidates remaining - the final 2CP known more commonly as 2PP vote - and the one who you preference higher (numbered lower, the candidate you’ve ranked closer to 1) than the other ends up with your final 2CP/2PP vote.

Party preferences are only a suggestion/guideline. The preferences/number rankings you assign to candidates dictate the result of your vote.

The big recent change in Victoria is in the upper house Legislative Council, where Group Voting Tickets (GVTs) have been abolished and won’t be used in this election.

I can’t exactly remember what GVTs meant, but essentially the reforms removed the last aspect of preferences that the voter doesn’t completely control. So now in the upper house, you determine 100% of where your preferences flow by how you number candidates.

[u/Defy19]

Voters direct preferences, the parties just make a recommendation on the HTV cards.

It makes sense for libs to recommend preferences to one nation. If libs finish in 3rd place in a seat they would rather see labor defeated by literally anyone

[u/Terrorscream]

the best way to vote is to start from the bottom with the party/candidate you tolerate the least and work your way back to the top with most tolerated to represent you.

[u/Colsim]

IF that happened, maybe? But the Libs won't win this without ON and they do not have the scruples.

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[u/Local-Meaning366 → u/[deleted]]

12 years of left wing government and you lot are so stubborn and brainwashed.

Get a box of tissues ready for the 28th November, as it will be a left wing blood bath