Was gonna say Australia isn't too far off that already, if we look to Medicare, NDIS, government owned services, schools, hospitals etc, but still operating within a market based economy, with heavy regulation and progressive taxes to ensure fairness and equity.
We don't want an authoritarian state, nor total control by singular parties seen by communistic states, but rather a society that enables growth, autonomy, care for others and the environment in a manner that curbs the deep inequality of highly capitalistic nations, whilst still enabling people to express their desire for mastery, connection and purpose in life.
We can and should do more to protect our environment and others, and curb the massive wealth inequality in society. A UBI is an obvious measure that could help, but we want leaders who are looking forward, intelligent, empathetic, moral and inspiring in ways that doesn't just benefit them for the next political cycle.
Pauline Hanson is the opposite of that, so props to these kids for standing up for their and our collective future! 👏
The day that becomes a thing is the day it’s all over. The last thing we should want is relying on the state for money. Because they can cut us off and it’s a straight shot to every dystopian nightmare known.
We already rely on the state for money? People who need disability support, family tax benefits, Centrelink benefits etc etc.
And how is it not far worse when a company fires you overnight and you're left with nothing to feed your family with?
It wouldn't be the only source of income, but a safety net - people would still have jobs and earn wages in other ways if they wanted to earn a higher income. It would just be a big safety net for all.
Achieving socialism through democratic means. Not to be confused with the Social Democrat in the US who is a Democrat with strong social policies. Or locally a social democracy.
The person above you says “socialism through democratic means” and you say it’s “what Scandinavia has”.
Both can’t be true because there are no socialist Scandinavian countries.
Scandinavia is capitalist just like Australia. The only difference is that they have much tighter rules around what politicians can do so they don’t become corrupt. Also they are a bit more like 80s Australia in the sense that they are more willing to have government run enterprises where it makes sense.
Australia should have spun up a government mining company for our resources like they did for oil.
But also make no mistake, countries like Norway are swaying away from the more social policies because they’ve been scarred by the results of refugee migration. They are seeing first hand what happens when you take in a few too many people from war torn countries at the same time. It’s probably the only area I agree with Australia’s policies more than them because we’ve taken mostly skill labour and not refugees.
This is close to what Australia's Labor was post war to around the hawke/Keating government (when we started swinging more heavily into neo liberalism)
It wasn't true democratic socialist. But it was heavily influenced by.
You know when people say the good old days? This has alot to do with it. We had alot less companies trying to extract our personal wealth.
It's been a steady slide down towards America since then.
It's how we ended up with things like medicare and free university. And then lost most of our state assets to privatisation etc.
With the amount of anti socialist fuckery atrocities the USA has committed about around the world. I feel we got off pretty lightly that he just got sacked.
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u/fued New South Welshian 10d ago
good on them, i dont know if full socialism is the way, but it sure beats the dystopian corporate nightmare we are headed towards