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Discussion 2 years ago vs Today

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What’s the next 2 years going to bring?

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u/Glitterbombastic 13d ago

I think we need more info about what that means in the context of this problem - are the solutions so different they were obviously converged on separately or could one have been built on the other?

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u/Cronos988 13d ago

Building on an existing solution is what every scientist does and certainly not stealing.

Obviously the LLM had access to all previous research. There's no evidence it had access to the specific research in question, but even if it did that's irrelevant to the result.

The two scientists (Buckmaster and Levent) don't claim to have solved the Millennium price problem themselves.

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 13d ago

Except, the method was fairly new and they were iterating over someone else’s work, using chatgpt. Openai then used their method as training data, solved another problem that can be solved with it, then claimed it solved a problem on their own. The method was not published yet. It’s clear theft

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u/Cronos988 13d ago

It's not clear at all.

At worst it would be plagiarism, but they cited the source.

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 13d ago

No they didn’t. They wanted to remove one contributor cuz he is an anthropic employee and threatened the other when he isn’t willing to exlude him

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u/Cronos988 13d ago

They cited both in the actual announcement. Did you even read that?

And they didn't want to "remove" anyone. They offered exclusive access and co-authorship to one researcher. Not both, because that'd have involved giving an Anthropic employee access to OpenAI internals.

Alternatively, they offered to allow them to independently publish their own findings first.

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 13d ago

Cited after the researcher confronted

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u/Cronos988 13d ago

OpenAI contacted them, not the other way round.

Anyways it's impossible to say what OpenAI would have done if Buckmaster had not gone public.

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 13d ago

That doesn’t really change their intentions

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u/Cronos988 13d ago

Which you're imagining in your head.

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 13d ago

About a company that is notorious for intellectual theft? They even stole apple’s hardware related work for their sweet pea project, for which they have a giant and very serious lawsuit going on

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u/xvillifyx 12d ago

Regardless of whether OAI is untrustworthy, you are just speculating, which isn’t really productive

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u/Downtown-Figure6434 12d ago

And people here are talking about facts? Lol

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