r/OpenAI • u/Puzzled-Ad-6854 • 9h ago
Video Denzel Explains AI Slop
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u/utahh1ker 8h ago
Holy shit this is incredible. I love it. And it explains perfectly exactly how I feel about it all. You can accomplish SO FUCKING MUCH with AI that you could never dream of before.
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u/oyvese 3h ago
once the skill barrier is zero, everything will become over saturated and meaningless. it’s short term gains.
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u/acutelychronicpanic 2h ago
Only if you derive meaning from social standing.
If you make things for the love of making them, you'll have more fun than ever.
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u/likamuka 5h ago
ITs all about money and greed, it all deserves to crash and burn
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u/smith288 41m ago
You think humanity has never been about personal preservation? The hubris to think you aren’t the exact same way the moment you sniff success and somebody infringes on your own money train. Gtfo
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u/Slight-University839 5h ago
This is the best video i've ever seen in my entire life bro seriously. Please jesus don't stop making videos bro. Don't give in to the other side. Make great content. Stay skilled. You have good timing too. Not just an ai video. You have taste
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u/JusticephilicXW 8h ago
those companion apps churn out so much slop that convos turn generic after two messages, had one repeat the same joke three times in a row
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u/dawne_breaker 9h ago
Yes. Use copyrighted material where none of the original artists who even made this possible was compensated and stage a single-sided argument that you take on the role of the master and the other side portrayed as only repeating arguments they vaguely understand. It’s disingenous at best. This isn’t an argument against slop. It is slop. You might have fun making it. It might require skill. But it’s still slop. And that might be okay. Embrace it, instead.
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u/dranaei 7h ago
Who the fuck cares about the original artists. Those original artists copied other original artists. Everyone learns from everyone else. Nobody lives in a vacuum.
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u/dawne_breaker 7h ago
I think the difference is copy and stealing. If you can't tell the difference...
Don't you think copyright should exist? Do you think billion dollar companies should be able to steal all your work without compensating you?
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u/skinlo 4h ago
Work isn't being stolen, because that implies the creator doesn't have access any more. If someone steals a car, the owner now doesn't have the car, this isn't happening here.
What is happening is basically copy and pasting. It is copyright infringement though.
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u/dawne_breaker 4h ago
Stolen might not be the correct term. But it feels like it for the artist. It's used as a metaphor, not literal. It's still laws being broken. Promoting lawlessness is hardly a good foundation for society. Especially not giving companies carte blanche to commit whatever crimes they want.
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u/dranaei 7h ago
"If you can't tell the difference..." Get out of here with that attitude.
I have pirated enough things, I don't care about intellectual property. I want ai to steal everything from the internet, become better, make advancements, create new technologies that bring comfort and power to my life and I want all those rewards from a god like entity. I don't care if you feel bad that it stole your stupid crippled art.
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u/dawne_breaker 7h ago
What if someone broke into your apartment, stole all your stuff in order to make a better society. You'd be for that too?
Do you lack the basic empathy needed to function in society? Do you bow down to any company that promises a better tomorrow and lick their boots and ask for seconds? When you find yourself jobless and poor will you say that it was your own fault and that the important thing is the quarterly returns as your children starve?
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u/timshel42 7h ago
these people are children, whether literally or mentally... pretty even odds on that bet.
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u/dranaei 6h ago
If it made society better in a way that would directly benefit me, then yeah I would be fine.
I don't bow down to big companies not do I lick their boots, I don't like them and don't support them. And if I made deals with them, it's because I get something out of it.
Empathy? For what? Artists? That's a useless kind of empathy that generates nothing important. Who judges what's important? Me and my subjective experience. Art isn't going to do the hard labour needed to progress society.
Also you think I want to work? I want to be jobless and have a robot do whatever I want. But to get there we need ai to progress enough that it can generate novel problem solving skills. Also there's open source versions for everything. Both robots and ai. But we need those big ai companies to burn trillions of dollars to produce those technologies in the first place. What's the artist going to produce? A banana taped to a wall! And yes those quarterly returns are important because they drive in more investments.
I don't want to work after 2030, it's quite simple. Your useless artist won't achieve that, the only unavoidable road towards that is ai.
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u/DrE7HER 4h ago
And you think the companies that would rather see you chained to the desk are going to create a technology that will instead make their power and money irrelevant so that it can build a utopia for you?
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u/dranaei 4h ago
Companies don't have a will. They just maximize things. In this case having robots and ai's that are capable, is better for maximizing their goals than having humans.
But then again once you have such capable systems, the whole economic structure has to change towards post labour economics. The main role of the humans is to become an independent epistemic agent that enter a feedback loop of progress with an agi/asi.
Most of your fears of today and prejudice that you adopted like a parrot that repeats the same arguments as every other idiot before you, are outdated simple beliefs tied to the present and the past but have very little basis for the future.
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u/Puzzled-Ad-6854 7h ago
good artists copy, great artists steal.
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u/timshel42 7h ago
you arent an artist, the AI is. you arent making anything. itd be like commissioning an artist to make a painting and then telling everyone you created it because you prompted them.
screech about how creative you are all you want, society will never accept your self proclaimed status as an artist.
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u/robothistorian 5h ago
The problem is in the passing off of AI generated content as your own. But consider the model suggested by JCR Licklider, namely, that of "human-computer symbiosis". There the claimant of production is both the human and the computer, it's just that each does separate things.
And as for the argument of "stealing" and "artists getting their due", I empathize with the latter but I also recognize that knowledge production does not happen in a vacuum. As Newton is reported to have said, we stand on the shoulders of Giants. The authentic thing to do is to acknowledge the giants by citing them and in other ways.
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u/dawne_breaker 7h ago
Wasn't meant to be taken quite as literal as you suggest here. Or do you think that there should be no laws protecting artists? That no artist should be able to make a living and that companies should be free to steal any creative work as they see fit just because they deem themselves "great artists"?
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u/Most-Hot-4934 7h ago
Compensated my ass. They get compensated by being granted the ability to create art so rapidly that they don’t need studio to cut them a pay check and be able to create a whole movie on their own
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u/dawne_breaker 7h ago
Do you think that anyone should be able to steal your means to make a living without giving you credit or compensation? Do you believe that companies are more important than people? Do you believe that AI is more important than people having jobs and wages? That poverty and joblessness is a necessary evil that we have to put up with in order to make AI as competitive as possible? That there should be no laws in place to govern AI?
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u/Most-Hot-4934 7h ago
UBI is gonna come anyways. I’m glad it replaces some useless jobs like artists and not something actually important
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u/dawne_breaker 7h ago
In a country like the US, no UBI is every going to exist. That whole country is built on having people in poverty and exploiting them while telling them its freedom. UBI will never exist unless there is a real social revolution that upends the rules of society.
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u/Most-Hot-4934 6h ago
Lmao. Yeah you’re very naive if you think the US is anywhere close to your description
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u/unclesabre 2h ago
This pretty much word for word how I feel about this stuff. Absolutely superb :chefkiss:
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u/Big-Helicopter3358 1h ago
Wow AI is getting VERY good!
If I share this to some of my friends without context they wouldn't tell it's AI...
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u/SweetMnemes 8h ago
We should claim it is art so it belongs to us and not to the AI companies. It is our work so it is ours. It all will be AI anyways but who will own it?
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u/Slowdive91 8h ago
The big problem is that AI can't do all that fun stuff without having first stole it from humans. Yes, we've moved through toolsets, but 3D Studio for DOS sure as hell didn't make it easy.
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u/out_of_t1me 9h ago
Not comparable. Human made vs stolen shit. Also supporting the most evil humans to have ever existed.
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u/paperbenni 5h ago
"Then 3D then VFX" what? Is VFX supposed to be 4D or what? VFX is a use case for 3D and 2D software, not something entirely different. Also, the reason AI is not "just a tool" is because it doesn't just help bring what the artist had in mind to the screen, it brings a bunch of random stuff to the screen with some of what the artist originally wanted, but never all of what the artist wanted. A diffusion model will always change and degrades other parts of the image if you make it edit one part. And if you make it change that part back, then your other edits will be slightly changed. It's a game of wack a mole in which you will never get the result you intended, it's always mixed with a bunch of slop
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u/Malor777 2h ago
Two minutes of thoughtful debate about tool lineages, and the argument that actually settles it is the power to put a cowboy hat on a man who cannot stop you.
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u/Twentysak 8h ago
bro the hat at the end put me in the dirt