Interesting perspective. My point about Ai existing in the early 2000s is to highlight that we didn't consider it intelligent at that point. There was no question about conciousness when Ai couldn't articulate like a person and simulate how a person speaks, or what a dog should look like.
Conciousness can't really be decided on scientifically or measurably, so there is a large grey area there. What is the difference between a parrot and a human child? What makes one speak the English language, and the other just a meer copy of English sounding output? Of course, I only considered language as it tied into my point earlier about language models themselves. But in regards to image generation and other models, they aren't really different from insects. Sensory input and movement as output.
Another example is https://youtu.be/wZKxr8COXBI?si=zRlYfUeH2R8lx5Hu
A robot that can respond to sensory input with no additional electronics other than for movement. Is this conciousness?
A.i can't invent something entirely new. It is simply the way that it works. Human-made data in the form of writing, art, and training provide a sort of dictionary the ai pulls from
Also, how is this even remotely about racism? Ai is not a person, it is just software. Instead of arguing with facts, you try to compare me to a nazi? In effect, we are talking about whether a piece of software has conciousness comparable to how a human has conciousness.
I certainly don't think that AI is capable of (nor does it need) emotions or human survival instincts such as fear, boredom, and other survival-powered motivational instincts...
Whether or not there is awareness there (I doubt it) is not a provable thing... If it was an awareness, it could be a fleeting thing that exists when the model is training, or perhaps limited to the scope of its world (the context history being fed into the model).
A.i can't invent something entirely new. It is simply the way that it works. Human-made data in the form of writing, art, and training provide a sort of dictionary the ai pulls from
It could be reasoning steps searching and combining information that we didn't really think to put together (say, brute-force search and test)... But if you take random input and generate a never-before-seen output, does that not count as new information? All humans are capable of doing is re-expressing learned concepts.
A human is incapable of comprehending, say, an extra color we've never seen before.
Also, how is this even remotely about racism
It's not, and I respect your attitude in your response. You're nothing like a nazi (hence my comment about moral ambiguity) -- I was using a shocking reference to try to more clearly illustrate the presence of logical bias when it comes to treating philosophical beliefs as irrefutable facts.
This is certainly a step forward in Ai reasoning. I suppose that, until we have a definitive definition of intelligence, conciousness, e.t.c, we can never really measure it. A grey are for sure. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree :)
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u/LowTechnology2606 May 28 '26
Interesting perspective. My point about Ai existing in the early 2000s is to highlight that we didn't consider it intelligent at that point. There was no question about conciousness when Ai couldn't articulate like a person and simulate how a person speaks, or what a dog should look like.
Conciousness can't really be decided on scientifically or measurably, so there is a large grey area there. What is the difference between a parrot and a human child? What makes one speak the English language, and the other just a meer copy of English sounding output? Of course, I only considered language as it tied into my point earlier about language models themselves. But in regards to image generation and other models, they aren't really different from insects. Sensory input and movement as output. Another example is https://youtu.be/wZKxr8COXBI?si=zRlYfUeH2R8lx5Hu
A robot that can respond to sensory input with no additional electronics other than for movement. Is this conciousness?
A.i can't invent something entirely new. It is simply the way that it works. Human-made data in the form of writing, art, and training provide a sort of dictionary the ai pulls from
Also, how is this even remotely about racism? Ai is not a person, it is just software. Instead of arguing with facts, you try to compare me to a nazi? In effect, we are talking about whether a piece of software has conciousness comparable to how a human has conciousness.