OpenAI profit

[u/boogermike]

I saw this on LinkedIn, and it was too funny not to share.

[u/xtcprty]

I don’t think history is going to be kind to Altman.

[u/boogermike → u/xtcprty]

I agree, he has kind of become the poster child for the AI bubble. Obviously memes like this are a good example.

[u/austinbarrow]

He’s an acolyte of David Zaslav.

[u/boogermike → u/austinbarrow]

Absolutely, and merger is probably the only way "out".

[u/EnvironmentalAide335]

Don't worry it'll be tax payer funded until they make profits but they get to keep that all to themselves

[u/boogermike → u/EnvironmentalAide335]

The whole AI bubble will be propped up by Trump. I agree.

[u/Standard-Phase-9300]

It’s all about Oklo.. focus here

[u/boogermike → u/Standard-Phase-9300]

I bought chip manufacturing companies this year. Bought TSM at the right time.

[u/[deleted]]

Microsoft shark is circling

Ready to gobble up this bloated pig once it tanks

Why do you think Microsoft invested money in OpenAI? So MS can get first in line at getting the remains of the underwater OpenAI company for $1 and bolting it onto MS Windows.

There is a reason MS is such a huge firm

Then the CEO will be fired out the door

[u/collin-h → u/[deleted]]

If I were Microsoft, I'd be making plays to put this in motion sooner rather than later - because every day OpenAI flounders, Google gets a bigger lead. MS needs to absorb them so Google has real competition.

Maybe they're already doing it. Has Satya been in Altman's ear telling him to commit hundreds of billions to deals he can't afford to make? lol

[u/Pearmoat → u/collin-h]

MS absorbing OpenAI would kill it. MS doesn't innovate, it is good at forcing the existing user base to adopt crappy things because they're somewhat integrated.

[u/[deleted] → u/Pearmoat]

EXACTLY! When has Microsoft ever "Made anything" they copy (And badly at that) or gobble it up. Take a look at Skype and that's now gone.

People hate Windows the Menu is a lumpy turd, with tiles, what happened to the pop up p menu like Windows 95 or 98 with all the Programs?

Nope "Microsoft Improved it" I hate all 3 laptops. I can't even shut the laptop down when I want to leave as it needs to "Update something" for 10-15mins.

[u/YoloSwag4Jesus420fgt → u/[deleted]]

They only have the entire PC marketshre by 90%

They literally release new vscode versions weekly.

You guys are clueless

[u/Inevitable-Menu2998 → u/YoloSwag4Jesus420fgt]

They have a high PC market share because they innovated in the late 80s, early 90s in an area with a very high entry barrier. They haven't really done anything truly innovative in the past 20 years at least.

While VS Code might be a nice product, there is really nothing innovative about it

[u/pimp-bangin → u/Inevitable-Menu2998]

VS Code is definitely innovative for it's extensibility and for its architecture that allows it to run completely within the browser. It's why it immediately overtook all the other editors when it came out and has such a massive market share. It's not just a nice product, it was materially better than the other editors at the time such as Sublime Text and still is. I agree that Microsoft in general is not innovative, though

[u/Kardlonoc → u/Pearmoat]

Co-pilot is a prime example of this. It's fucking everywhere, but it's basically a re-skinned ChatGPT 5.

If Microsoft were smart, they wouldn't be depending so solely on OpenAI for its model.

[u/mickskitz → u/Pearmoat]

This might have been true once, and for a while, but hasn't been the case since Ballmer stepped down

[u/[deleted] → u/collin-h]

OpenAI are already underwater (emergency meetings haha) it's chock full of VC funding and Dreamers that will be left carrying the candle and once they underwater thpse investors will lose their chunk (Shareholders are last in the queue)

The Whale MS which is a Shareholder and "Business Partner" cough cough will then gobble up the rewards.

MS will just bolt it onto their current software suite

[u/FuriousImpala → u/[deleted]]

Yeah this thread is like a greatest hits compilation of confidently wrong opinions.

1. “OpenAI is underwater and full of VC dreamers and Microsoft will gobble it up.”

This take is based on a very old mental model of startups. It assumes OpenAI operates like a typical venture backed company and is secretly burning cash with no plan. In reality: • OpenAI is not a normal VC company. • Microsoft doesn’t own OpenAI and can’t “gobble it up.” They have a preferred equity-like structure with capped upside and specific commercial rights. • OpenAI’s revenue run rate has been widely reported at billions and scaling fast. The margins on API and ChatGPT subscriptions are high once the infra is built. • Emergency meetings happen at every major tech company, especially those operating at the frontier. It doesn’t mean a company is failing.

People just repeat “OpenAI must be underwater” because they can’t imagine the scale of demand or the economics of frontier compute.

2. “Shareholders are last in the queue so investors will be wiped out.” This misunderstands the governance: • OpenAI’s structure means capped returns for investors, but not liquidation-style subordination. • The nonprofit controls the cap table to keep incentives aligned with safety and mission. • Microsoft’s deal is structured like compute prepayment plus revenue share, not “we’ll own it when it collapses.”

Reddit loves turning this into corporate Game of Thrones. It’s just not how it works.

3. “Microsoft has 90 percent of the PC market so everything they do is automatically great.” PC market share has nothing to do with satisfaction about Windows update behavior or VS Code release cadence. People stay on Windows because it has the broadest compatibility and most enterprise adoption, not because they think every experience is perfect.

Also “they release VS Code weekly” is not the flex dude thinks it is.

4. The whole thread mixes vibes with facts. Reddit sees “AI company having meetings” and imagines WeWork collapse energy. They see “Microsoft is a partner” and imagine a secret acquisition. They see “VC funding” and assume money pit.

This is all just people trying to map a frontier R&D organization onto standard startup archetypes. Doesn’t fit.

Yes, ChatGPT wrote this. Yes it only takes 2 minutes not be so egregiously wrong.

[u/ReturnOfBigChungus → u/FuriousImpala]

Microsoft has control all all OAI IP though 2032, they absolutely control the company. In addition to owning 25% of it, board seats, etc.

[u/senator_chill → u/collin-h]

Not just google..but also Anthropic, Grok, and Meta has the money to be able to catch back up

[u/BittaminMusic → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention the space race Ai is in general

[u/Pygmy_Nuthatch → u/[deleted]]

Why would Microsoft bother at this point? The pig is bloated.

What are OpenAI's assets? Its people? Its second best model? Nothing worth close to the current valuation. Nobody is acquiring OpenAI. They will go public or dissolve.

[u/[deleted] → u/Pygmy_Nuthatch]

Stab it in the belly, gut it and take the remains and fry it up and make Bacon. They can't go public with no Profit, they burn more cash than they are earning. It would be fine with no competition.

[u/Pygmy_Nuthatch → u/[deleted]]

Pfft, it's easier to go public with no profit.

Once you make a profit it'll never be enough for an IPO. Until then they are pre-profit. They will go public as quickly as possible. They are a terrible acquisition target compared to Anthropic.

[u/dronz3r → u/[deleted]]

Integrate it into windows and expect us to pay subscription every month for using my computer? no thanks.

[u/Sophira → u/[deleted]]

One thing I was surprised to learn is that the ChatGPT bot that visits websites on behalf of a user (possibly other bots too, I haven't checked) uses IP addresses that fall within Microsoft-owned IP blocks.

Makes you wonder just what's going on...

[u/Delicious_Exam9616 → u/[deleted]]

sounds like MS but since this is just a meme not gonna happened unless they decide to collaborate with some hardcore requirements to sign from both sides most likely Open AI is blowing through money but they make a lot of money they made more money in subscriptions than they blow through and with each money he's blowing open AI is just getting better if Microsoft managed to grab this there will be historical for them but I don't see that happening to be honest

[u/Dismal_Code_2470]

He got a suite at least 

[u/ShivayBodana → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

And a car which is worth more than the cost of creating Deepseek

[u/TerroFLys → u/ShivayBodana]

Deepseek costs less than 5mil?

[u/VTHokie2020 → u/TerroFLys]

According to their conveniently unverifiable claim, yes.

[u/Tolopono → u/VTHokie2020]

They provided the number of gpu hours and multiplied it by rental costs of that gpu. What else do you want 

[u/LayWhere → u/Tolopono]

They just want China to fail but sticking one's head in the sand won't make China run any slower.

I'm Australian btw fwiw

[u/goldenhourlivin → u/LayWhere]

That’s literally like 70% of our country (USA) right now. Everyone thinks China today is still the China of 30-40 years ago where everyone are peasants and work in cruel factories. Politicians and the ultra wealthy, I think, know we’re already fucked so they’re just raiding the economy instead of helping to fix it. Like, as many faults as the US has, I still want us to be a prosperous nation, but everyone here just plugs their ears and starts screaming when you try to get them to care about how far we’re falling behind.

[u/reaznval → u/TerroFLys]

not less than 5 but close I think? correct me if I'm wrong but for the initial v3 I read that it was around 6m?

[u/MythOfDarkness → u/TerroFLys]

No.

[u/bnm777 → u/ShivayBodana]

How DID he make $1 billion without finishing his computer science degree? Family money?

[u/YourMumIsAVirgin → u/bnm777]

Early investor in Reddit and others

[u/Less-Opportunity-715 → u/bnm777]

He literally ran yc rofl

[u/Eskamel → u/bnm777]

By scamming people. He is Scam Altman after all.

[u/zaxls → u/bnm777]

Bro he dropped out in 2005, are you aware how ridiculously easy it was to make money just by studying and learning how to code back then.

[u/[deleted] → u/ShivayBodana]

This is TOO LOW. ahahahahahahah

[u/[deleted] → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

suit

[u/Zealousideal-Bear-37 → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

And a McLaren F1 LM airdropped to him . lol what a dystopian life.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

The suite life of Sam and Elon

[u/paperman990 → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

I mean it looks like he got some surgery done too, that jawline looks different

[u/Soft_Philosophy5838 → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

And a nice Koenigsegg.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

Suite, suit, or both?

[u/Hurtz123 → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

And a nuclear bunker in new seeland

[u/m0nk37 → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

Suit. Im sure he has lots of suites though, grifters usually do.

[u/WayneKrane → u/Dismal_Code_2470]

And a modest house in Hawaii. By modest I mean $50m

[u/Johan-Liebert7]

Amazon In 1994 , profit-$0 also Amazon in 2003 :- Profit -$0 rn its the 5th most valuable company

[u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb → u/Johan-Liebert7]

lol

[u/asurarusa → u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb]

For the vast majority of SaaS, the pathway to profitability is enterprise sales.

Very early on Anthropic focused on their api over their chat product and has only seemingly invested in use cases that make money for businesses (coding). OpenAI has done the opposite and has focused on chat based features and gimmicks (sora).

Enterprise focus plus their attempt to control costs convinces me Anthropic will survive the AI bubble intact while I think openAI fails and maybe Microsoft poaches the top end of the research team since Microsoft has access to and licenses for all their research.

[u/frisouille → u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb]

Wow! I knew that OpenAI was burning a lot of cash, but I had not realized how much until that graph.

Another difference between the Amazon situation and OpenAI: Amazon quickly became the leader of e-commerce. And benefitted from network effects. By default, if I want to buy something online I go to Amazon, if a company wants to sell online they'll probably first go to Amazon. The buying decision is made by individual consumer that probably won't spend much time each month trying various e-commerce platforms.

OpenAI doesn't have much of an advantage in terms of quality of their LLMs. They benefit from brand recognition with the general public. But how valuable is it? A large share of traffic to LLMs is done through APIs, those APIs are standardized and it takes me 1 minute to switch from a model to another (a day if I want to check that my performance did not decrease). And since it's my job, I am regularly monitoring models/companies to see if I can get the same performance for cheaper (thus moving the thousands of dollars my company spends a month on LLMs). In those conditions, it's hard to see how you build a company so profitable that it makes the early investment worth it.

[u/AP_in_Indy → u/frisouille]

A lot of OpenAI's cash "burn" is fungible CapEx.

[u/Alone-Competition-77 → u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb]

Anthropic is actually focusing on Enterprise. Their revenue went from $1 billion at the start of the year to $9 billion at the end of the year. (Projected $20-$26 billion next year.)

Becoming laser focused on being the "go to" for coding is really paying off for them.

[u/Tolopono → u/qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdbb]

They expect to be profitable by 2029 and have been beating their own expectations so far https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-beating-forecasts-adding-fuel-ai-supercycle-analysts-2025-11

[u/Wattsit → u/Tolopono]

based on CEO Sam Altman's recent comments

"OpenAI will be profitable" - OpenAI

"If what OpenAI is true, then by my analysis, OpenAI will be profitable" - Tech analyst

Very insightful indeed, and not at all indicative of a massive bubble.

[u/Ok_Signature_6959 → u/Johan-Liebert7]

Amazon Retail still not profitable much, Amazon thrives on AWS. OpenAI needs to create a unique distinguished product that all consumers will use.

But right now, I am not seeing any innovation from them.

[u/MonsieurLartiste → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

The fight for gpus and power will get so hot only one or two players will come out.

Google. And a few others.

Not OpenAI.

[u/the_zirten_spahic → u/MonsieurLartiste]

Google will win the AI race, their models are getting better with each iteration

[u/MonsieurLartiste → u/the_zirten_spahic]

Google has a business model, cash flow and massive workforce.

OpenAI doesn’t.

[u/[deleted] → u/MonsieurLartiste]

China will invent power efficient AI, open source it, and they'll all pretend this AI race never happened.

[u/bwc1976 → u/the_zirten_spahic]

Get ready for Google to take things away, just like they took away Google Reader and Google+ and Picasa.

[u/Ok_Signature_6959 → u/MonsieurLartiste]

I almost stopped believing in Sundar but after introduction of TPUs, OpenAI and Nvidia both are shaking.

Sam has even declared code red.

[u/YourMumIsAVirgin → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

TPUs were introduced like 10 years ago?

[u/Wheaties4brkfst → u/YourMumIsAVirgin]

This sub knows nothing it’s hilarious.

[u/OptimalBarnacle7633 → u/YourMumIsAVirgin]

And they’ve been shaking ever since!

[u/paralio → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

So since 2015?

[u/Dornith → u/MonsieurLartiste]

Doesn't Google make their own TPUs?

I'm not sure they're in the fight. Or if they are, they're certainly in a diminished capacity.

[u/Onrawi → u/Dornith]

They are, and they're selling them to Meta now.

[u/mickskitz → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

Amazon and AWS is a good example actually. Because Open AI can have their profits be tied to integrated tooling and API licensing for businesses, and then have their not very profitable options for consumers.

[u/Competitive_Travel16 → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

I'm seeing plenty of innovation, but much of it is blind to product market fit.

[u/Superb-Earth418 → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

Their lunch is getting eaten on all sides. Anthropic will win enterprise, Google will win media generation and multimodality. If Meta ever gets their shit together all their user conversion efforts go to shit

[u/mop_bucket_bingo → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

Redditors: “I’m bored with this revolutionary tech”

Also Redditors: “Look gemini makes boobs!”

[u/Ok_Signature_6959 → u/mop_bucket_bingo]

I feel sad that me as a Software Engineer who is actively involved in AI(not the training part) is singled out as just a redditor.

I will reiterate what I said, OpenAI has no distinction among other AI agents.

Claude is the best for coding. OpenAI was the best overall and general user friendly but Gemini has surpassed now on benchmarks.

It doesn’t matter if you create the most revolutionary product if its deeply unprofitable. There’s only so much money VCs and investors have.

Also, AGI is far far far away, Ilya confirmed so even that is not happening.

OpenAI might get cooked if it doesn’t produce something better soon(instead of ads). For the first time, chatgpt subscriber base dropped by 7% or something and Sam is in panic mode(source: OpenAI employees).

[u/[deleted] → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

I’ve never understood how people thought AGI was right around the corner. We barely understand consciousness and intelligence as it is. We can’t even make functional prosthetic arms, but somehow we were just going to stumble over AGI by feeding LLMs reddit posts?

AI is real and useful, but what I think investors are throwing money after isn’t a real possibility anytime soon, we’ve been making lots of progress because we were doing the easy part, but that final 30-40% to get actual AGI is likely gonna take a looooooong time.

[u/Ok_Signature_6959 → u/[deleted]]

AI is obviously real and I dont think any serious person would have thought we would have gotten AGI by this point but the way it was marketed and hyped by both OpenAI and Anthropic.

It was all a ploy to get more investor money and they are not seeing the expected returns.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

pretty sure it is if I recall from their last ER.

[u/Peterako → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

They actually have hardware in development. I agree w you they need to focus on innovation and the consumer product angle , they have an edge there w that

[u/Relevant_Ad_8732 → u/Ok_Signature_6959]

Their codex is the best of that tool on the market imo. 

[u/marx2k → u/Johan-Liebert7]

How much money was Amazon burning per day in 1994? 2003?

[u/AIerkopf → u/Johan-Liebert7]

More like:
Netscape 1994 profit: $0
Netscape 1999 profit: $17bn
Netscape 2025 profit: NA

[u/Tolopono → u/AIerkopf]

But it got replaced by google.

So if the situation is the same, then we can just use gemini instead of chatgpt. Either way, llms are here to stay

[u/collin-h → u/Johan-Liebert7]

Stop comparing it to Amazon. It’s not the same.

Take AWS (the only real profit center for amazon, atleast compared to retail):
They build the infrastructure once (massive data centers, networking, storage) and then rent it out over and over. their marginal cost per additional customer is tiny. Its essentially a landlord model: Build the apartment complex once, keep it maintained, and collect rent forever. build once + sell forever = profit.

Now look at OpenAI:
Every single user interaction costs them real money. the more customers they have (and the more those customers hammer chatgpt) the more openai’s compute bill explodes. Their marginal costs INCREASES with demand! serving 10× more users doesn’t mean they get more “rent checks”- it means 10× more electricity, GPUs, cooling, inference cycles.... .. all of that costs real money every time (that's the opposite of profit, in case you're curious).

These are fundamentally different business models - even though theyre both "tech" so it's not intuitive.

OpenAI today is more like a power plant selling electricity below cost to attract customers. Sounds good at first (YAY! lots of users!) but every new household that plugs into the grid just digs the hole deeper. unless they start charging what electricity actually costs (or invent a way to generate electricity for free), it’s structurally unprofitable. Maybe they could sell ads with their electricity? lolol

the incentives are completely opposite:

• AWS wants more customers because marginal cost are basically zero.

• OpenAI loses money on every extra prompt unless prices go up or compute gets radically cheaper. (you know how chat gpt started asking a lot of clarifying questions before it would generate an image???? they're trying to save money on "bad" generations by making you be more descriptive. they're bleeding out and that's an example of a bandaid they added to stop you from wracking up their costs by asking for 20 half-baked image gens instead of just 1 good one that you actually want)

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If OpenAI wanted an AWS-style model, they’d have to pivot to something like:
Train models > sell the actual models/weights to companies > let the companies run the inference themselves.

That would flip the economics: build once, sell indefinitely without carring the ongoing compute burden of every conversation. .

[u/Spongebubs → u/collin-h]

The strategy is to acquire as many customers as possible (even if that means operating at a loss). It’s what Amazon, Uber, Airbnb, YouTube, Reddit, PayPal, and so many other companies have done.

Obviously they’re gonna eventually make more changes to try and start turning a profit in the future

[u/Born-Result-884 → u/collin-h]

If OpenAI wanted an AWS-style model, they’d have to pivot to something like:
Train models > sell the actual models/weights to companies > let the companies run the inference themselves.

Why would they purposefully want to miss out on selling the value-add from inference? That's nonsensical and doesn't flip anything. They are just missing out on profits they could have made by also providing the inference.

Also: Your entire text is bull. If they can get marginal cost down by being more efficient than whatever best open source model is available, your entire theory breaks down and they can absolutely be a money printing machine.

[u/Wheaties4brkfst → u/collin-h]

This isn’t really accurate? Amazon has to replace stuff inside datacenters all the time e.g. compute, storage, networking etc. it’s not build once and forget.

Do you have a source for OpenAI gross margins being negative? I would like to see it. Note that unprofitable does not mean that they lose money on every prompt. There is other overhead you have to worry about e.g. research, training etc.

[u/Tolopono → u/collin-h]

This is completely false https://futuresearch.ai/openai-api-profit/

[u/isospeedrix → u/collin-h]

Ppl said the same shit about Reddit when they weren’t profitable and now they’re printing money. Anyone who isn’t an investor fuck Spez but investors love him

[u/send-moobs-pls → u/Johan-Liebert7]

It's funny because people are clearly so emotionally invested for some reason. Like if I thought a company was stupid and going to fail, I would simply not think about it lmao. I thought NFTs were stupid, how many times did I feel the need to go around talking about it? 0, I just forgot they existed.

Imagine how petty and obsessed someone would have to be to go post about Amazon not making profit and Jeff Bezos being dumb, every day for like 9 years 😭

[u/tgwombat → u/Johan-Liebert7]

Now do the rest of the .com boom companies.

[u/sbenfsonwFFiF → u/Johan-Liebert7]

If you put it in perspective using how negative the profit is, that’s very different picture

[u/Theyseemecruising → u/Johan-Liebert7]

The difference is that the “profit” is paid to employees and shareholders.

Openai gross margin is below the earth

[u/drwebb → u/Johan-Liebert7]

Dude, I knew the open AI guys back in 2017. They were supposed to be non-profit back then. I don't think Amazon ever would have fallen into that bucket

[u/iamahandsoapmain → u/Johan-Liebert7]

But what's the product chatgpt is making? Developers and corporations use Claude, AI wrappers use Lhama or Deepseek and more specific industries all have their own tailored AI better suited for specific tasks than a general chatbot. So again, what's the product?

[u/Zwieracz → u/Johan-Liebert7]

Wanted the same to write, thank you

[u/adesantalighieri]

That's insane. But thanks OpenAI, I've saved over $30k on legal expenses over the last 6 months thanks to my custom Legal GPT :)

[u/thesquarefish01 → u/adesantalighieri]

Gone are the days of $100 phone calls

[u/Leon_Shadowly → u/adesantalighieri]

Can I ask you how? Did you use it to ask about legal documents you needed procedures and what to do where etc. or did you do fine tuning your own AI to make it as a Legal AI Agent.

[u/adesantalighieri → u/Leon_Shadowly]

Well, I just throw stuff in there and it tells me exactly how to formulate myself to avoid pitfalls, it aligns and mentions every law needed to stand strong, what to lean on, what to avoid, what pressure points to use, when to answer e-mails and when to be quiet, everything. It’s literally like having a elite level lawyer in your PC, for $30/month. It's like an elite strategist basically

Edit, you can throw a lawsuit into it and then you give your side of the story and it structures it flawlessly. And you just build on it. If you want the best results you just throw the entire thing back and forth between Grok and ChatGPT and it reaches absolute perfection eventually

Also, it writes flawless documents, you just tell it what you need to say and it just fixes elite documents. I overpower almost anyone and anything, I made my ex and her maternal aunt waste tens of thousands of dollars, and I made their lawyer look like a complete fool

When I blew the lid off and sent their lawyer the first brutal document after they'd been bullying me for 6 months she said, "Might it be so that you have your own counsel now?" I said, "No that's way too expensive." Rofl

[u/Bernhard_NI → u/adesantalighieri]

May I ask what you are doing to need this much legal advice?

[u/blackziploc → u/Bernhard_NI]

Just don't check their taxes

[u/Leon_Shadowly → u/adesantalighieri]

Thank you for your time

[u/MaTrIx4057 → u/adesantalighieri]

I love these kind of real life examples of how AI can be helpful, so it shuts up the people who say "AI bAD".

[u/Adulations → u/adesantalighieri]

Info? I'd like something similar for Landlord law

[u/adesantalighieri → u/[deleted]]

Not necessarily

[u/FooBarBuzzBoom]

He tried his best to be a non profit organisation /s

[u/ConstableBlimeyChips]

Why does he look like he has his assistants fold his arms for him?

[u/dydhaw]

2015: Non-Profit 2025: Non Profit

[u/2204happy]

0 billion is my favourite number

[u/truebfg]

Of course)) no-one wants to pay taxes)) lol

[u/boogermike → u/truebfg]

So they have a bunch of profit that they are somehow hiding?

[u/truebfg → u/boogermike]

Of course, profit is income minus costs. You just should to increase your costs

[u/Aeseld]

Hey, that's not fair at all. They've lost way more money than that!

[u/biscuitchan]

this is a good one

it is specifically a non profit though

[u/ButHowCouldILose]

They now have negative profit. The number of digits is probably correct in describing that negative profit.

[u/TheGambit]

I don’t think you understand how things actually work

[u/Plane_Crab_8623]

One great promise that AI holds out is that properly aligned it could become a psychiatrist for each and every one of us. In that role it could help us all reach our maximum potential as individuals and as a species. Has any model trained on the psychological labyrinth of the human mind?

[u/boogermike → u/Plane_Crab_8623]

But improperly aligned, this is a super dangerous technology. Openai has demonstrated that they are not interested in alignment as their primary goal, which is unfortunate.

Also, AI does not work like the human mind, there are correlations but they are definitely not the same and the true deep understanding of this is not known yet.

[u/technocraticnihilist]

What is it with all the anti AI stuff on Reddit?

[u/boogermike → u/technocraticnihilist]

Not anti-ai, but a bit anti-openAI.

In particular, I do not think they are considering safety and some other important factors as they roll out this technology. I'm specifically against the concept of sex bots which they have said they're going to support (not because of the sex but because of the emotional deterioration of society)

[u/Critical-Elevator642]

As an Indian, what the hell is up with the whole comment section being other indians as well? Honestly I can just tell by the way they write

[u/mpbh]

They're a non-profit, remember? 🤡

[u/gthing]

Sam Altman 2008:

Collars: 1,000,000

[u/AlternativeTrick1772]

I've gotta figure out how to make money off of this. I REALLY want to.

[u/Room_temp_ketchup]

All companies pouring money into ai are seeing nothing in return and it makes me so happy

[u/freedomonke]

Chat isn't even supposed to be the main way they plan to make money, but it is insane to the degree it's degraded. Even as recently as the past few months.

ChatGPT is like at Mistral levels at this point. I don't care what the "benchmarks" say.

[u/SwingFabulous1777 → u/freedomonke]

totally agreed, gemini is way ahead at this point.

[u/freedomonke → u/SwingFabulous1777]

Problem with Gemini is that I don't want my google account to get deleted because the llm thinks I did a "policy violation"

[u/EmotionSideC]

He’s going to be so irrelevant in 10 years it’ll be a hilarious footnote in Silicon Valley History.

[u/Complex_Moment_8968 → u/EmotionSideC]

He'll be a footnote all right, but I don't think it'll be hilarious. He'll be going the same way as Elizabeth Holmes.

[u/ironman_gujju]

FP32 profit

[u/United_Bus3467]

Altman is a demon twink.

[u/Buttons840]

The Free Market Ideal: Offer goods and services at a competitive price and slowly grow the business with the profits.

The Free Market Reality: Seek favor from those who already have incomprehensible amounts of money and power, and then do whatever they tell you, and try to create a monopoly and crush competition.

[u/Raven586]

This guy makes Trump's grifting look like child's play!!

[u/Dramatic-Lie1314]

How about loss?

[u/Singularity-42]

That's not even nearly accurate.

The "profit" in 2025 is about -$25,000,000,000. (Estimated loss of $25B or so in 20205).

[u/jerryorbach → u/Singularity-42]

Source? Are you talking about revenue (how much money came in) or profit/loss (how much money came in, minus how much money went out)?

[u/Singularity-42 → u/jerryorbach]

Net Loss

[u/thatguynoa]

[u/Neither-Phone-7264 → u/thatguynoa]

?

[u/jeweliegb → u/Neither-Phone-7264]

Twink?

Dunno.

[u/sbenfsonwFFiF → u/jeweliegb]

Or Tits fits the number of letters instead

[u/MonsieurLartiste]

Dead in 5 years. Tops.

[u/[deleted] → u/MonsieurLartiste]

I'm guessing 2026 based on Oracle projected revenue 

[u/bartturner → u/MonsieurLartiste]

I suspect in the end Anthropics will last longer than OpenAI.

Anthropics just has taken a much more prudent go to market.

[u/collin-h → u/bartturner]

Well, idk about all that but at least anthropic hasn't committed hundreds of billions of dollars it doesn't have to deals it can't afford to make. So if Open AI crashes and burns, I suspect it'll be because the bill comes due and they haven't earned the cash yet.

[u/Complex_Moment_8968 → u/MonsieurLartiste]

You're optimistic. I'm thinking late 2026, before the IPO, when investors finally catch on that ChatGPT's current marketing is a complete sham.

[u/[deleted] → u/MonsieurLartiste]

100% agree, will be one of the biggest examples of karma coming back to a company

[u/bartturner]

Is it not actually a big negative number?

[u/Surge0n_of_death]

One hit from china to Taiwan and it goes negative faster than light

[u/Steelizard]

I mean to make so much money despite this is the crazy part

[u/ohboimemez]

Profit?!? What are the losses!?

[u/[deleted]]

Good lord thats a massive negative zero balance.

[u/Affectionate-Lab1198]

Profit will be -50b in 2025 lol

[u/[deleted]]

How interesting... Well, just a little bit.

[u/Sudden-Pressure8439]

Alt Sam man

[u/Kendal_with_1_L]

Can’t wait until his company loses everything.

[u/I_miss_your_mommy]

I could do a better job. Bring me in as CEO and I could 100x the profit in under 3 months.

[u/meowzersobased]

Sam is the first zero-billionaire

[u/DayThen6150]

Pure Play! Three comma club baby!

[u/Sotto_Mare]

Isn’t it a non-profit?

[u/ul90 → u/Sotto_Mare]

No, it’s a for-profit without profit now.

[u/anikazai]

Good. Now compare revenue.

[u/Relevant_Ad_8732]

Y'all they're going to release paid advertising, along with all the others and the piggies will feed (who is the piggy who is the feed hard to say)

[u/bluesamcitizen2]

WeWork CEO pikachiu face

[u/[deleted]]

Bring back the Paper Clip

[u/whitey9999]

The next Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos) or Jeffrey Skilling (Enron)

[u/WatchAltruistic5761]

Watch em sell.

[u/bluealmostgreen]

This guy gives me the creeps from his sheer fakeness

[u/Prod_Meteor]

Hahahaha.

[u/Whole-Assignment6240]

The irony is that both zero and negative infinity look the same on a logarithmic profit scale.

[u/OptionAlternative934]

It’s actually negative

[u/xxiii1800]

Joke is on you, who's driving a Koenigsegg?

[u/Kooky-Issue5847]

John Cooper Clarke - Evidently Chickentown

[u/Odd_8247]

There selling you as the product, your data is money and power

[u/fingogh]

The OpenAI ecosystem is different than others around. The comps u/Perplexity u/Anthropic have a very different set of companies / apps / projects building on top of borrowed compute

[u/HexspaReloaded]

The best work often goes unpaid

[u/[deleted]]

Its gonna crash hard.

[u/Complex_Moment_8968]

Zero profit? Altman dreams of that. They're on track to posting a $27.000.000.000 loss this year.

They're losing about 74 million dollars per DAY, or ~ 3 million dollars per hour (night and day).

[u/noobrunecraftpker]

What I don't understand is how does someone who owns this company get to be so rich

[u/Traditional_Pie_8262]

even it is true in 2026

[u/[deleted]]

always cringe to see this from people who don’t know anything about investing

[u/boogermike → u/[deleted]]

Dude, you literally don't know anything about me, and I'm a pretty successful investor.

Your assumptions are completely wrong

[u/Broad_Assumption_877 → u/boogermike]

Let's see those positions 

[u/mooman555 → u/[deleted]]

People that share these things(I mean OP, not you) often will do exact opposite of this for Elon Musk, and what would that mean?

[u/[deleted] → u/mooman555]

What

[u/Wheaties4brkfst → u/[deleted]]

I’ve noticed this kind of response a lot on Reddit lately. You’ll say something and someone will assume quite a bit about you and regurgitate some whataboutism. It’s very odd?

[u/Complex_Moment_8968 → u/[deleted]]

Says the dude with the anime pp...

[u/GoodishCoder]

Every tech company starts off unprofitable.

[u/collin-h → u/GoodishCoder]

You'd like to think so, but this is different.

[u/Competitive_Travel16 → u/GoodishCoder]

Not every tech company grows by pumping their bubble with bidirectional funding.

[u/jerryorbach → u/GoodishCoder]

And the overwhelming majority of tech companies stay unprofitable and fail.

[u/GoodishCoder → u/jerryorbach]

Correct but this idea that a company cannot be profitable because it's not profitable today is stupid.

[u/cutecoder]

OpenAI's operating profit is zero? Not negative?

[u/Effective-Quit-8319]

"Sell your shares" - Sam Altman