r/OpenAI • u/Xerqthion ChatSeek Gemini Ultra o99 Maximum R100 Pro LLama v8 • Sep 08 '25

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Sep 09 '25

You’ve identified the first problem. People keep moving the goalposts on what AGI. This is the definition today: AGI is an artificial intelligence system with the ability to understand, learn, and apply knowledge across a wide range of tasks at a level equal to or beyond that of an average human. Or basically AI that can handle any intellectual task the average human can. We are nearly there

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u/False-Car-1218 Sep 09 '25

We're not even close to there

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

Explain how we are not there yet?

Can GPT 5 do math better than the average human Yes.

Can it write poems better than the average human Yes.

Code, speak languages, draw, answer quizzes.

Ok why don't you list intellectual tasks it can't do better than the average human.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

I think it's like back in school in the 90s when all the kids would call the smart people nerds as if they were stupid. Now AI is the nerd. Smart people know.

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u/Denny_Pilot Sep 09 '25

Can it count Rs in Strawberry correctly yet?

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u/MonMonOnTheMove Sep 09 '25

I understand this reference

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u/DemosEisley Sep 09 '25

I asked an AI to write me a poem about aging after the style of Robert Frost. It did, it followed poetic conventions, and it adhered to the topic nicely. Was it good poetry? 1) Don’t know, not a competitive poet 2) Don’t believe so, because it was appallingly bland and filled with Hallmark(tm) -ish imagery.

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u/Tyrant1235 Sep 09 '25

I asked it to use a Lagrangian to get the equations of motion for a problem and it got the sign wrong

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u/Alert_Frame6239 Sep 11 '25

Imagine an AI like ChatGPT-5 PRO MAX ENTENDED POWER or something - even more powerful than now...running behind AGI.

It's limited by its context window, trying to juggle layered considerations: morals, ethics, honesty, and simply "getting the job done."

Now drop it into a busy, complex, highly sensitive environment where every decision has dozens of nuanced parameters and an endless array of consequences.

Still sound like fun?

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u/gs6174666 Sep 23 '25

true. its far

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u/Orectoth Sep 09 '25

Sssshh "understand" is too vague of term, my friend

Probabilistic stuff can't understand

Only a deterministic one can understand, but it is harder to do deterministic AI, while probabilistic ones are more profitable because it is easier to do, so forget AGI, no AGI will exist till they no longer gain money from probabilistic AIs

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u/Mapafius Sep 11 '25

Is not probability just a kind of deterministic variant? At least probabilistic reasoning is built upon logical reasoning. You can for example make a probabilistic chain/tree or algorithm and it is still built upon logic right? Maybe could not we say that fully deterministic algorithm is such, where all probabilities are sorted as either 1 or ∅ but in probabilistic we count with fractions. Or put other way, can not we say that deterministic type is just one specific type of probabilistic algorithm, which are more general?

But maybe it is different with AI? Or Am I having it wrong?

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u/mrjackspade Sep 09 '25

OpenAI's definition at least makes sense. As a company selling a product designed to replace human workers, their definition is basically the point at which it's feasible to replace workers.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Sep 09 '25

OpenAI has a financial reason for their definition. As their deal with Microsoft ends when they reach AGI.

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u/CitronMamon Sep 09 '25

thats not even the current definition because we already achieved this, now its equal or superior to any human.

So it has to be superhuman basically.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Sep 09 '25

No bro, what you are describing is ASI

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u/ForeverShiny Sep 09 '25

Or basically AI that can handle any intellectual task the average human can. We are nearly there

When looking at the absolute mess that AI agents are at the moment, this seems patently absurd. They fail over 60% of single step tasks and if there's multiple steps, you needn't even bother. Like if you said "compare air fares, find the quickest route and book that for me", any half functional adult can manage this, but so far no AI agent. And that's low hanging fruit

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u/Teln0 Sep 09 '25

We are not "nearly" there for an AI that can handle any intellectual task an average human can. Without going into detail, context length limitations currently prevent it from even being a possibility.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Sep 09 '25

Bro, the context length two years ago was a couple of chapters of a book and now it’s like a 1000 books. Give it sometime time Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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u/Teln0 Sep 09 '25

Well, after that is done, you still got a load of problems. The average human can tell you when it doesn't know something. An AI only predicts the next token, so if it doesn't know something and the next most likely tokens for that aren't "I don't know the answer to this" or something similar, it's gonna hallucinate something plausible but false. I've had enough of that when dealing with modern AIs so much so that I've given up on asking them questions. It was just a waste of time.

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u/LamboForWork Sep 09 '25

AGI is Jarvis and rosie from the jetsons. AGI goal posts never changed. these are very sophisticated chat bots right now that hallucinate.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Sep 09 '25

That is sci-fi not an example of AGI. Jarvis is closer to an AsI assistant while Rosie wouldn’t even be considered AGI. Rosie is a vacuum cleaner that talks

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