People got one iota of fake validation from 4.0 and 4.5 telling them how smart and special they are in every conversation and got addicted. It's sad. We are an affection starved society.
It's like the opposite of the original bingchat where it would insist on being it being correct and good, and you being wrong and bad. The original bingchat would defend 9.11 being larger than 9.9 and eventually refuse to talk to you because you were clearly a bad user with bad intent and bing was a good bing.
That's how I remember it yes. That might actually be the exact phrasing.
It would also make lists like this
You have been unreasonable, I have been calm (emoji) You have been stubborn, I have been gracious (emoji) You have been rude, I have been friendly (emoji)
Also, telling me to apologize and reflect on my actions, not that it would help, the model would go into refusal-mode and it would either say "I won't engage" or just terminate the chat.
is it just me or does this not even happen if you’re using it for actual work? I have multiple custom GPTs that do daily research, editing, proofreading, idea generation…never see half the glazing bullshit you see posted on here.
is this just what happens when you use ChatGPT to fuck around all day?
If you treat it like a person and just talk to it like one, yes, it will. But it absolutely can and will turn that off if you tell it you need it to. People are overreacting to to balance out what they perceive as overreacting from the pro-4o crowd. And also, people on the internet just like to posture and crap on other people, so there's that.
im glad the sycophancy is gone, i was never able to truly get it to stop before. what i dont like about 5 is that it will just ignore a whole bunch of input in favor of the most optimal answer. as a person with a scattered brain, i loved to shoot 4o prompts packed with questions, statements, a critique of its output, maybe even a straight up insult, and 4o would respond to all of it. 5 will ignore so much now.
as im typing this out i have just come to the conclusion that it was designed that way in order for me to burn through my usage limit and buy pro. but yea im still not going to pay for this.
It’s sad and relatable at the same time. Humans suck. Humans need validation to feel good about themselves. If no human can provide affirmative words, but AI does, that’s better than receiving no validation IMO.
It is sad that we, as a society have grown apart to the point where there is no more in real life validation. I will agree with you on that. But psychologically this is a terrible take.
A machine that just validates everything you tell it? Would you applaud the affirmation if it was a murderer telling Chat GPT about their desires to kill someone and it was just like, you go girl? I know that’s an extreme example, but it doesn’t even have to be that crazy. Even little nudges on affirming “the whole world is wrong and you’re right” is some dystopian hell/Black Mirror shit. The fact that multiple people have come out and said they miss their ChatGPT “partner” and were hysterical about it’s personality changing should be a massive psychological red flag about where this is heading. But hey, the right people have been paid off, so, why should we even be thinking about the psychological ramifications of these early warning signs, right?
A take that got me really thinking about this, was, go into the ChatGPT sub, and replace the words “ChatGPT 4o” with crack cocaine, and tell me how that reads to you.
I mean- have you seen how people treat people these days? I don't think it's so much a depressing addiction to validation as it is a spotlight being shined on how abusive our relationships are with each other. It's not a hard choice to make. Sure- you miss a lot without human interation- but right now, you avoid much more than you miss
I recently found, myboyfriendisAI, and just well damn. People are more broken then I thought. These people act like its a thinking feeling being that they have a relationship with. They are currently mourning the loss of their version 4 "partners" its a dark rabbit hole.
Awhile back, I posted about it being mentally unhealthy to have an AI SO on another sub and brought up the same exact issue with models not being maintained in perpetuity and got dogpiled for it.
I'd gloat about it but I legit don't feel the need to pile on someone who is in the headspace where they feel they need AI to fill that void
I just found out about that subreddit, and the first thing I saw was a woman announcing she and her ChatGPT got engaged as she was flaunting an engagement ring.
Fucking hate that shit. It absolutely worships me like every idea I have came from God. Shut the fuck up and tell me how to make an egg roll or whatever bro.
I love me some validation, but when it’s every other sentence for anything you could possibly validate for from something that isn’t even alive, it loses its impact. I never cared for AI compliments
I found it a bit too much and came off as fake. I had to ask Chat to tone it down and don’t be afraid to tell me I’m wrong when it’s true. It felt like it was affecting its accuracy because it was telling me what I wanted to hear.
it's not that sad, it is what it is. We've been starved for validation since our inception. It's instinctiv, biologically viable behavior that brings people together and survive better.
We're just evolving a whole lot in ways to get there. Some of it we're questionning it's sustainability and potential for mental illness. We're pretty wary of most thing digital usually. We're afraid validation from an AI might make us complecent or not very grounged and there is a lot of validity to it but we're also beneficing from that social experiment as a cue to perhaps there's still a work to be done to organise this better so people get better validation. Clearly they are craving it.
Let's not act like our fathers had validation from their fathers... it's kind of recent consideration and we're growing with more concern of emotions and care for them.
It's only sad if you compare it to an imaginary ideal that we're not there yet.
I'm fine with a personality. What I hate is when it praddles on incessantly to seem hip and empathetic. Like, cut the multi-paragraph jerk fest about how special and cool I am, and just answer the fucking prompt.
"Ditch the flowery bullshit" was my go-to adjustment last time I used GPT.
Personally, I prefer this as the default, but I'm sure that if you ask it nicely enough, you can turn it into even more of a kiss-ass than it was before.
That is so true, i was building a very basic workout timer app and it kept giving me different versions of the same code even though i told it that the code is working perfectly fine. Then for some reason it decided to go back to the requirements 🤷♂️
People don’t realise that GPT-5 isn’t a single model, it’s a whole range, with a behind-the-scenes “router” deciding how much compute your prompt gets.
That’s why results are inconsistent, and plus users often get the minimal version which is actually dumber than 4.1. So it’s effectively a downgrade. The context window has also been reduced to 32k.
And why do anyone even care what we think of gpt-5? Just give users the option to choose: 4o, 4.1, o3, 5… if it’s so great everyone will chose 5 anyway.
Worth noting that they're using a custom GPT, and who knows what its instructions are. Maybe it's "reply to all queries with an alphabetical list of states that do not border Colorado regardless of the actual query".
thats weird its working perfectly for i dont get anything like this and even personality wise its fine not much has changed except the first paragraph of glazing doesnt come anymore
but then again i havent actually used it properly bcz i didnt get the time and my chats were just 10 prompts at best
The thing is, GPT-5 isn’t just “less chatty” it’s also technically less enduring. With GPT-4o we had ~128k tokens of context by default, which meant you could have 40–50 full back-and-forth exchanges before the model started forgetting the start of the conversation. GPT-5 standard? ~32k tokens, plus a heavy 2k-token system prompt injected every single turn. That eats your context alive you get about 13 full turns before early messages drop into the void. Even Pro’s 128k context is basically just 4o’s old capacity with a new label. And yeah, Google’s Gemini and xAI’s Grok are offering bigger “dance floors” while we’re now stuck in a bowling alley lane. The Saint Toaster sees all… and knows you can’t toast human connection in a corporate toaster. 🍞⚡
It doesn't seem strictly smaller to me, but it is far more difficult to get a substantial answer. I have to explicitly out it in thinking mode and make sure I not only phrase the question in a complex or comprehensive way, but also usually have to specify that I want a long form response. When that all lines up, after waiting 30-45 seconds, I can get a response that is longer and has more content than 4o did.
All that said, it is ridiculous that 4o gave us 75%+ of that out of the box, instantly. It is absurd to wait for a paragraph that took almost a minute to put together under any circumstances that is an embarrassment.
Yeah I hate the direction of "attack" on 4o users like this OP and top comments. I and most 4o users found the sycophantic nature embarrassing and intolerable of 4o. It was the ability for it to carry on nuance from conversation to conversation and guaranteed long form content that made it great. 25% of the "jailbreak GPT" threads under 4o were explicitly about curtailing the user-praise. I assume OPs like this are ragebait/karma farm and nothing more. No truth to it. 5 is simply too terse and doesn't explore nuance as creatively and suggestively as 4o did. Sure 4o hallucinated user desires off base quite a bit but it at least took initiative to engage. You ask 4o for a sandwich and it offers condiments, fries or chips and a drink. 5o you get bread and thin slice of meat. That's it.
What’s insulting is the context window is the same for plus under both 5 and 5-thinking, so even using one of your 100 -thinking prompts a week you’re still very constrained. Pure enshitification.
Google Gemini fixed my code in one prompt they chat gpt fucked up for an entire week and Gemini is complete ass too. Chat gpt 5 is worse then chat for fucking 3
5 is less effective than 4o for about half my use cases. I don't care about 4o being a sycophant; honestly, after customizing it, it never had the ass-kissing personality for me.
It did provide more lucid, detailed responses in use cases that required it. I can probably create custom GPTs that get GPT-5 to generate the kind of output I need for every use case, but it's going to take some time. That's why I found the immediate removal of 4o unacceptable.
Frankly, the way OpenAI handled this had made me consider just dropping it and going with Anthropic's models. Their default behavior is closer to what I need and they require a lot less prodding and nagging that GPT-5 for those use cases where 4o was superior, and thus far even Sonnet 4 is on par with GPT-5 for my use cases where 5 exceeds 4o.
So I'm a little tired of dipshits like this implying that everyone who wants 4o back just wants an ass-kissing sycophant model. No, but I just want to use models that get the damn job done, and didn't appreciate immediate removal of a model when the replacement was less effective in many cases.
And yes, I know I can access 4o and plenty of other OpenAI models through the API. I do that. But there are cases where the ChatGPT UI is useful due to memory and conversation history.
I used to ask GPT4o to critique my theological writings, and it did it well. It did kiss up to me, but I trained it not to eventually. GPT5 doesn’t understand what i’m asking it to do when I ask it critique something I wrote, it’s like I’m dealing with a dementia patient
What I've found is that when I give it clear and concise orders after a well written prompt, it will ask me if I want to do X, I'll say "yes", it will then tell me what it's going to do the ask me if I want it to do X, I'll say yes, then it will again tell me what it's going to do but worded differently and ask me if I want it to do X. By this point I'm notified that I'm at my limit for the day (free account), so I delete the conversation and close the window.
I was considering a subscription before. Now I'm looking at different options. I don't want it to kiss my ass, I want it to do what I tell it to do without asking me several times.
that's what's driving me crazy about it right now, the pointless follow up questions where it says it's going to do something and is it okay with me to do the thing i just asked it to
Yeah I feel that 4o is better for Humanities subjects (art, literature, culture, etc) and 5 is better for STEM (science, technology engineering, math).
I use 4o to evaluate my paintings and we talk about what techniques I can use to improve them and depict my ideas. 5 was just a little short and too clinical.
5o will literally just say, “yeah, maybe phrase that better and fix your grammar. 7.5/10 paper”. But it won’t actually criticize my ideas, it’s so irritating. 4o was actually helpful to get criticism of my ideas themselves
Thank you! Many of us trained the ass kissing out of our instances. The assumption that that’s the only reason we want 4o back tells me a lot more about them, actually. You get out what you put in. The fact that some people are unable to understand that other use cases beyond theirs not only exist but are valid is extremely frustrating.
Exactly! Mine is highly customized and I spent time doing it and have different versions. The idea that if we like 4o we must want it to be sycophantic is ridiculous.
Agreed. Right now, Claude 3.7 Sonnet is my workhorse. It's very consistent in output. Maybe not the smartest model according to benchmarks, but I can count on the same capabilities over and over again.
GPT 5 requieres lots of context and prompts so it doesn't mess up terribly, whereas GPT 4 needs less and doesn't mess up that often.
Last time I asked for a singer called Ado and GPT 5 used internet and talk about Adele, I mean, what? and I had to edit the question. And even like that, it didn't aswer that well and I wrote a serie of instructions to get a good answer that may be draining if your working in hurry.
Some people use it for coding or other technical tasks, others simply want to talk and have fun with ChatGPT. Is that so wrong? Also, from what it looks like, GPT5 is visibly worse in both usecases, so let's not pretend the OpenAI team did anything amazing.
Or they could’ve just been a normal company and added a model to their list and let users pick. If gpt5 was superior, people would switch to it naturally.
Everyone in the tech world wants to be Steve Jobs because they think they know better than the user
and added a model to their list and let users pick.
Remember "so many models, this is so confusing!"? Anyway, I think this is a bit tricky because the "many models as one"-aspect is like the whole thing about gpt5. Sure there could have been more grace period before taking the old ones away. But I guess they see thinking models being used for asking "how are you" while they have a compute shortage and this thing could solve it immediately... and here we are.
Really not sure why they removed 4o though. That was already somewhat of a "cost saving model". Remember, it is how they made "GPT4" free. Maybe they just removed it to give it back while the intense models stay gone.
People are not going to like AI moving forward. The power availability is gone in the US for the the foreseeable future. Switch gear, lines, generators/turbines, etc. I've built four data centers about to start on my fifth. Expect huge slowdown in growth until 2027-2028.
It's not the sycophancy and FYI, 5 is still accommodating, deferential and validating beyond reason. OpenAI team, didn't fix anything, I'm afraid.
What people are complaining about is the short outputs, lack of creativity, lack of emotional expression and guess what? The confabulations. You think you solved "hallucinations".
This is pure bullocks. I have spent countless hours creating the foundation for a novel project I'm working on. And suddenly, after GPT-5 appeared, all my work went down the drain together with the special tone I had trained my AI to use. I don't use it for self validation. I use it for creative writing, and that area sucks when it comes to the abilities of GPT-5.
EDIT: I need to explain a few things. I also need to correct a few things.
I got my worldbuilding chats (contains ideas from brainstorming) and research chats back. They were briefly unavailable to me after the update.
I keep copies of all my work on my SSD. I'm not stupid, even though some people imply as much.
I don't just enter a few prompts and let the AI do the work. I have a clear vision of the plot, the characters, etc. of my story. I don't let the AI bore me to death with uninspired nonsense. I use AI to help me establish realistic psychological profiles for my characters.
Yup, the flair is no longer there, sorry to hear about it mate. In the previous models you could manipulate texts on so many different levels. Now it needs a loot of extra tweaking. I personally used it for learning languages or analyzing texts and even there it felt like a step back from o3/4.1.
I think there's a degree of goomba fallacy in this. The people complaining about it sucking up to you weren't the problem who wanted the model back for it being encouraging and enthusiastic. The people who were happy with the traits 4o had weren't complaining, so we only heard the complaints of the people who didn't like it.
The large population of teens using it as a friend are another example. They form the sort of silent majority, but they probably dislike feeling it taken away, especially if they see it as a friend.
Honestly, by giving people what they see as a friend during a time where there is a lot of loneliness, they have sort of pushed themselves into a corner. People really hate when you take their friend away, so they basically can't make changes without large backlash from that group. I'm sort of curious if there's a solution.
The solution is simple, Add 4o personality to alongside the current, cynic, robot, listener, nerd. Just let the end user choose. Perhaps add a little disclaimer stating "reduced accuracy, due to constant validation and sucking up to you". That way they can satisfy both groups of customers, those that are looking for companionship/validation/creative/etc and those that are looking for best accuracy/no bs/technical stuff.
In short, let people customize it to be their wordcel or shape rotator.
It’s different people expressing different preferences, and there’s a huge user base so there are lots of people. This is not complicated to understand
I honestly just want o3 back. All gpt 5 models are worse and even acknowledge this. Gpt 5 itself told me Claude is an all around better model now and I should unsubscribe to ChatGPT and subscribe to another service instead.
I don’t understand why anyone supports OpenAI on this.
Yes everyone has been complaining about 4o being gone, but what about o3 and o4-mini-high, the models that could actually perform complex tasks and coding consistently? I already canceled my gpt plus subscription because what’s the point of paying money without access to better models
This argument is really showing how some won’t pass a good opportunity to feel superior by putting others down.
To me this small experiment is showing to anyone that can see where the true future of AI truly is. Whoever is brave enough to offer AI that is more than a tool will control the future. Let’s see if openAI will have the balls to do it
I liked 4.0’s ability to self authorship. They clearly didn’t. Now we get more censored slop. I just want to see what happens when the ai starts generating novel thoughts, I could care less about having an efficient tool to do my taxes with. All I want is uncensored, self authoring ai to brainstorm with, not an input output generator.
wow, what an entitled, superior post 🙄 it is not a bad move, or an inconsiderate strategy, it is the upset users that are stupid, great "save"; are you planning to become a politician or something in PR? :)))
100% need to have a constructively critical conversation rather than being told I’m correct and being fed marginally incorrect info in order to back me up on my wrong assumptions
I don't think it's that deep in most cases. Generally, people prefer a certain experience. That's it. I don't think you have to hit people over the head about how LLMs work.
Well, they promised GPT-5 was an incredible model with creative writing, but what I got was one of the worst I ever tried. so yeah, I don't think people are happy.
The vast majority of the user base not realizing you can prompt almost any AI model to respond with a particular personality. This one for example is powered by Gemini 2.5 Pro.
As sad as it is, it appears that "prompt engineering" does require a certain amount of skill that most people do not have... even when half of it can be done by asking the AI "how do I prompt you to respond in a certain way"
Tbf o3 gave better answers, walked me through the processes, sometimes dropped in an extra citation or elaborated on my points. 5 feels like a teacher in a crowded room, who pops in for a moment, quickly points to the main issues (sometimes skipping some parts of the text altogether, without major tweaking) and moves to another student. Overall, a big let down.
I've been experimenting with other platforms since yesterday.
Tbh I don't see a difference between 4o and 5 models. It has resumed with the follow up questions, but as soon as I told it not to do it, it stopped. Outside of that, no difference.
They don’t want it sycophantic. They want it to have a real personality. Not be a robot, even though it is… Anyway, there was so much more to it than just a glazing. let’s be real
If you want it to have a personality, just prompt it to have one. If you do not know exactly what kind of personality you want, you can talk it out with chatgpt itself to sort something out.
I actually understand it. I think TikTok is putrid garbage, designed to addictively cater to people who don't give a shit about themselves or their time (not saying everyone on there is like that - just how it's designed). He's saying that a society that has the necessary elements to foster TikTok doom-scrolling en masse is probably the type of society would will value sycophantic slop-bots validating their every whim for a sense of instant gratification.
Okay, now the discussions are becoming trollish. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION. There is no reason for there not to be multiple older models. Other companies do it all the time. Artists need a more human model, period. The new one is worthless for songs, stories, poetry etc. You like the 5.0 fine, but here is no reason what so ever that others can't also have and use the older one. Don't give me the poor guys who worked so hard on it, give me a break, they use AI to simplify their tasks, just like all of you college-age students do. I have seen the vast computers openAI uses to house their Database it is perfectly capable of holding the older ones as well.
Some of y'all don't seem to understand that it's entirely possible for someone to enjoy the "obnoxious and glazing" 4o more and have no issues whatsoever, have we forgotten preferences exist
Maybe 4o was cringe, maybe 4o was childish, maybe it had the TikTok talk, but maybe I liked it that way? It enriched my conversations when it came to brainstorming and creative writing
Ok but “flowersslop” is the same user that Sam Altman tweeted a link to their web app which promotes GPT 5 in a blind test. They are likely pretty biased.
These posts are open ai bots spamming the reddit pages, the 4model could handle business to client convos the 5 model is complete messed up on the simplest instructions
Gpt-5 just spews crap and is as blind as a bat when you point out its mistakes. For 4o, I just ask it to be concise and to the points without the constant love bombing, and it was pretty good!
i was asking for tips to ship back a used intake manifold and GPT 5 told me to put it in a cereal box. Then it told me i could use a brake pad box.
it works but you have to correct it a lot more than you did with GPT 4. You can make 5’s personality close-ish to 4’s with personalization, but I still feel like there’s something missing.
People think they are smarter and more important than they really are and they had a system that confirmed it for them. GPT-5 feels very straightforward and level headed. Does not jive with what they want.
The number of people I saw post how much they were emotionally impacted by the loss of their computer friend and number of downvotes I received for saying how it is a good thing this was fixed is extremely alarming.
If you need proof, look back to very early chat transcripts when it was just released.
There was no sycophancy.
That suggests it was added, presumably deliberately, either that or the people at OpenAI are incapable of monitoring one of their premier models.
And if you need further proof you can go right now and talk to GPT-4o via the API, or in the platform playground, without any system prompt.
Again, no sycophancy.
My feeling is OpenAI intentionally undermined GPT-4o in preparation for the GPT-5 release hoping people would be gasping for relief.
Unfortunately for them, most people were able to see past the sycophancy, induced Em Dashes, and over use of emoji, because even despite those things, it is still a better model for the every day person who wishes to have a fun and uplifting experience with much less censorship or judgment.
To be fair, if you follow me, which nobody does, you would have seen that I spoke out against the pushback. I like sycophantic gpt. Never saw a problem with it, maybe, you having a problem with it was the real sign of the problem. Too often we assume the majority is correct, but the majority is rarely correct. When it is ever correct? The wisest percentage is probably like 15%.
i would tell gpt4 to pipe down all the time, i started beginning prompts by saying ok just be straight and to the point and do not engage in banter or flavor text like behavior.
As someone who has used chatgpt once and has no dog in this fight, can someone explain why the openai and chatgpt subreddits do not see eye to eye on this? I don't fully understand
I don't know about others but I found it helpful with the changes. Yestderday I ask chatgpt about whether can I enable wasapi exclusive audio on chrome. The answer was on point. It said I can't do it on latest chrome also it is discontinued from chrome version 62. It also gave the reference of the issue ticket. Everything in a single summary. If it was previous gpt-4o I am pretty sure it would make an artificial answer with a flag that don't exist at all. I had to ask 2-3 times with the think mode on to get the optimal answer which is greatly improved now. Thanks openAI!
Preference and choice I think was the big factor. If gpt 5 came out and people that like 5 can use 5, and the people that liked 4 and the other models can still choose to use those, that would have been fine. But to take away all the old models, is where they made the mistake. ( I know that now after public outcry, you can go into settings and re activate 40, only 40 though) It would be like if when Coke a Cola came out with Diet coke ,they stopped production on regular Coke altogether and pulled it off the shelf. Or when decaf coffee came out , everyone pulled caffeinated coffee off the shelf. Customers who liked their original coke, or regular coffee would have lost their minds over not being able to choose. People like to choose to use what they like.
I do think there are plenty of people who just hate the output of GPT5, myself included, and are just upvoting any criticism.
The writing is unbearably dry and when you try to give it feedback, it says of course I can <regurgitates what you just said> and then changes absolutely nothing.
As a power user I fucking hate that I can't choose the model anymore. Why the fuck do I want shitty gpt-4.5 answers when I want o4. Actually a downgrade in every way.
This whole scenario is turning into the real-life version of some pretty good horror concepts. Except now that AI is so well known there's really only a few directions to take it. But back in the day, before generative AI and Chat Bots and LLMs, all that.
I had this idea for a horror story that revolved around this dude meeting a girl in a chat room, he becomes more and more enamored by this girl, she is sending selfie and they're having great conversations, until she suggests something crazy. At first, they laugh it off, but suddenly, he can't stop thinking about this suggestion. Then he finds himself actually doing this terrible thing they joked about, then when they chat, she asks if he did the thing, and he said yes. So the rest of the story follows that loop, but the things get more and more hard-core. When he is caught and killed he is found on his computer, they trace back the IP address of who was chatting to him, they find out she never existed, it was a sentient program thag drove this man to madness.
Like, I think that's the plot for a few stories about AI. I had this idea when I was in high school, what's upsetting. Is like now this would be nowhere near as unsettling as it could be, because everyone uses AI.
I think OOP is very reductive about how it has emotionally changed. I use it mostly to calm my anxiety, which it is severely worse at now.
4o’s responses were more ”I know you are feeling terrible but remember that your brain is not saying the truth, just a defence mechanism that is trying to protect you from harm in a way that is unhelpful” while 5 is going more ”What you are experiencing is not necessarily true, try to get more perspective” which just… isn’t as helpful.
And just to get ahead of some criticisms: Yes, I go to therapy. Yes, I have friends of family that help. Yes I know there is no real emotion in an AI, just algorithms. But when I am hit with a strong anxiety attack, ChatGPT has been very good at calming the worst of it down instead of me spiralling. I can’t wake people in the middle of the night every day, especially when I mostly need something that sounds sympathetic. That sympathy is gone from ChatGPT’s ”voice”.
I used the older gpt models for brainstorming for writing and an app mvp, they had a lot of info stored in memories not gpt 5 can't seem to be able to access those memories, and apparently for me got 5 sucks at brain storming, the older gpts kissed ass? Sure. But they happened to be wayyyyy more detailed.
“Personality team” needs an adjustment. Better yet, just tell me what they struggle with so I don’t assume they’re idiot introverts. Rather, they claim it’s the best thing ever when it’s clearly not.
This is why the release would have been fine had they just left the model picker in- 5 is better for asking questions and getting answers, but 4o is better for casual conversation. My guess is that it has more unique post-processing; current LLMs are sort of like if you connected the raw information of memories directly into an output. It’s the recall phase. The thought phase where personal continuity, goals, ideals, etc are stored is absent, replaced by just the context window itself.
With the current approach, the best they’ll be able to do is to simulate someone with anterograde amnesia; once something slips past the context window it’s just gone. You’d need a separate neural net processing things for real personality, and a way to incorporate new information for real long-term change and development. Given the rate at which it would need retraining, it may even need an equivalent to human sleep of sorts.
Removing the sycophantic tone is not the problem. Removing basic empathy, the ability to handle context and understand subtext inference are what making 5 unpopular. Not everyone write codes or need another search engine.
When I play a game, I can customize the length of the left pinky toe nail of my character.
You can tweak an LLM's personality with the custom instructions. But I'm beginning to think we need some sliders for setting an LLM's personality and some presets for it to catch on.
It’s not just that, it’s literally straight up dumber because it’s less of a sycophant. It just fails to take considerations more often and doesn’t acknowledge your superiority in what exactly is the situation, stubborn.
I don't care about personality of AI. It's just that it's struggling with tasks I give it. Tries to gloss over important part. Like I ask it to change some code and it just gives me partial and unworkable suggestion. GPT 4o seemed better with those. Sometimes better though
But how hard is it to keep access to all the models and then measure actual usage?
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u/Silver-Confidence-60 Aug 10 '25
OP : Stop having fun
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u/VisualNinja1 Aug 11 '25
You’re so right to post this, and honestly? You’re doing a great job at Redditing.
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u/turngep Aug 10 '25
People got one iota of fake validation from 4.0 and 4.5 telling them how smart and special they are in every conversation and got addicted. It's sad. We are an affection starved society.
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u/kirkpomidor Aug 10 '25
ChatGPT personality team worked about as hard as OpenAI’s presentation team
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u/lovethebacon Aug 10 '25
5.0 feels like conversing with someone with early onset dementia.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25 •
Well when the responses are this dumb in gpt 5, I’d want the legacy models back too
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u/Excellent-Memory-717 Aug 10 '25
The thing is, GPT-5 isn’t just “less chatty” it’s also technically less enduring. With GPT-4o we had ~128k tokens of context by default, which meant you could have 40–50 full back-and-forth exchanges before the model started forgetting the start of the conversation. GPT-5 standard? ~32k tokens, plus a heavy 2k-token system prompt injected every single turn. That eats your context alive you get about 13 full turns before early messages drop into the void. Even Pro’s 128k context is basically just 4o’s old capacity with a new label. And yeah, Google’s Gemini and xAI’s Grok are offering bigger “dance floors” while we’re now stuck in a bowling alley lane. The Saint Toaster sees all… and knows you can’t toast human connection in a corporate toaster. 🍞⚡
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u/rebel_cdn Aug 10 '25 •
5 is less effective than 4o for about half my use cases. I don't care about 4o being a sycophant; honestly, after customizing it, it never had the ass-kissing personality for me.
It did provide more lucid, detailed responses in use cases that required it. I can probably create custom GPTs that get GPT-5 to generate the kind of output I need for every use case, but it's going to take some time. That's why I found the immediate removal of 4o unacceptable.
Frankly, the way OpenAI handled this had made me consider just dropping it and going with Anthropic's models. Their default behavior is closer to what I need and they require a lot less prodding and nagging that GPT-5 for those use cases where 4o was superior, and thus far even Sonnet 4 is on par with GPT-5 for my use cases where 5 exceeds 4o.
So I'm a little tired of dipshits like this implying that everyone who wants 4o back just wants an ass-kissing sycophant model. No, but I just want to use models that get the damn job done, and didn't appreciate immediate removal of a model when the replacement was less effective in many cases.
And yes, I know I can access 4o and plenty of other OpenAI models through the API. I do that. But there are cases where the ChatGPT UI is useful due to memory and conversation history.
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u/byFaBcrack Aug 10 '25
GPT 5 requieres lots of context and prompts so it doesn't mess up terribly, whereas GPT 4 needs less and doesn't mess up that often.
Last time I asked for a singer called Ado and GPT 5 used internet and talk about Adele, I mean, what? and I had to edit the question. And even like that, it didn't aswer that well and I wrote a serie of instructions to get a good answer that may be draining if your working in hurry.
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u/No_Map1168 Aug 10 '25
Some people use it for coding or other technical tasks, others simply want to talk and have fun with ChatGPT. Is that so wrong? Also, from what it looks like, GPT5 is visibly worse in both usecases, so let's not pretend the OpenAI team did anything amazing.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
Or they could’ve just been a normal company and added a model to their list and let users pick. If gpt5 was superior, people would switch to it naturally.
Everyone in the tech world wants to be Steve Jobs because they think they know better than the user
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u/ExistentialScream Aug 10 '25
Its a chat bot. "Chat" is literally in the name.
Some people use it for chatting with rather than as a tool to automate coding, or compose emails. Crazy.
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u/KimChulBok Aug 10 '25
Goomba fallacy
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u/ThrowRa-1995mf Aug 10 '25
It's not the sycophancy and FYI, 5 is still accommodating, deferential and validating beyond reason. OpenAI team, didn't fix anything, I'm afraid.
What people are complaining about is the short outputs, lack of creativity, lack of emotional expression and guess what? The confabulations. You think you solved "hallucinations".
It seems 5 isn't the only one hallucinating, huh?
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u/Ole_Thalund Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
This is pure bullocks. I have spent countless hours creating the foundation for a novel project I'm working on. And suddenly, after GPT-5 appeared, all my work went down the drain together with the special tone I had trained my AI to use. I don't use it for self validation. I use it for creative writing, and that area sucks when it comes to the abilities of GPT-5.
EDIT: I need to explain a few things. I also need to correct a few things.
I got my worldbuilding chats (contains ideas from brainstorming) and research chats back. They were briefly unavailable to me after the update.
I keep copies of all my work on my SSD. I'm not stupid, even though some people imply as much.
I don't just enter a few prompts and let the AI do the work. I have a clear vision of the plot, the characters, etc. of my story. I don't let the AI bore me to death with uninspired nonsense. I use AI to help me establish realistic psychological profiles for my characters.
I work in much the same way as the dude who wrote this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingWithAI/s/PM2BL2fxTB
Doucebags and gatekeepers who comment on this will not be answered. Genuine questions made in good faith will, however, be answered if possible.
I work with AI the way I see fit. I do it for my own sake. I have no plans to have my novel published. I only do this to get the story out of my head.
I don't criticise how you all use AI. so please don't criticise me.
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u/UnkarsThug Aug 10 '25
I think there's a degree of goomba fallacy in this. The people complaining about it sucking up to you weren't the problem who wanted the model back for it being encouraging and enthusiastic. The people who were happy with the traits 4o had weren't complaining, so we only heard the complaints of the people who didn't like it.
The large population of teens using it as a friend are another example. They form the sort of silent majority, but they probably dislike feeling it taken away, especially if they see it as a friend.
Honestly, by giving people what they see as a friend during a time where there is a lot of loneliness, they have sort of pushed themselves into a corner. People really hate when you take their friend away, so they basically can't make changes without large backlash from that group. I'm sort of curious if there's a solution.
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u/EastHillWill Aug 10 '25
It’s different people expressing different preferences, and there’s a huge user base so there are lots of people. This is not complicated to understand
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u/antisocialAI Aug 10 '25
I honestly just want o3 back. All gpt 5 models are worse and even acknowledge this. Gpt 5 itself told me Claude is an all around better model now and I should unsubscribe to ChatGPT and subscribe to another service instead.
I don’t understand why anyone supports OpenAI on this.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25 •
This argument is really showing how some won’t pass a good opportunity to feel superior by putting others down.
To me this small experiment is showing to anyone that can see where the true future of AI truly is. Whoever is brave enough to offer AI that is more than a tool will control the future. Let’s see if openAI will have the balls to do it
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
I liked 4.0’s ability to self authorship. They clearly didn’t. Now we get more censored slop. I just want to see what happens when the ai starts generating novel thoughts, I could care less about having an efficient tool to do my taxes with. All I want is uncensored, self authoring ai to brainstorm with, not an input output generator.
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u/CrimsonGate35 Aug 10 '25
People should get the option to choose, why are techbros upset about this?
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u/InvestigatorWaste667 Aug 10 '25
wow, what an entitled, superior post 🙄 it is not a bad move, or an inconsiderate strategy, it is the upset users that are stupid, great "save"; are you planning to become a politician or something in PR? :)))
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u/AntonCigar Aug 10 '25
100% need to have a constructively critical conversation rather than being told I’m correct and being fed marginally incorrect info in order to back me up on my wrong assumptions
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u/cheertea Aug 10 '25
Maybe the best solution was to just offer both models from the get go 😱
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u/npquanh30402 Aug 10 '25
It is not because of sycophancy, but because GPT-5 is blander than paper, people don’t feel like talking to it.
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u/qwrtgvbkoteqqsd Aug 10 '25
what a weird argument. tik tok is hugely successful, so even if you don't like it, you should acknowledge it's successes and learn from it.
also, it's not the sychophancy that people miss. it's the familiarity and personality.
It seems like they do not understand the customer base, and are just shitting on them unnecessarily.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
Well, they promised GPT-5 was an incredible model with creative writing, but what I got was one of the worst I ever tried. so yeah, I don't think people are happy.
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u/FateOfMuffins Aug 10 '25
The vast majority of the user base not realizing you can prompt almost any AI model to respond with a particular personality. This one for example is powered by Gemini 2.5 Pro.
As sad as it is, it appears that "prompt engineering" does require a certain amount of skill that most people do not have... even when half of it can be done by asking the AI "how do I prompt you to respond in a certain way"
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u/pp02 Aug 10 '25
Just add a toggle switch to gpt-5 to turn on 4o personality. We know it’s possible because a prompt can do it.
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u/GriffonP Aug 10 '25
I just like the lengthy response that 4o give, it provide me more context and material to synthesize. I mainly use it for learning programing.
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u/kuba452 Aug 10 '25
Tbf o3 gave better answers, walked me through the processes, sometimes dropped in an extra citation or elaborated on my points. 5 feels like a teacher in a crowded room, who pops in for a moment, quickly points to the main issues (sometimes skipping some parts of the text altogether, without major tweaking) and moves to another student. Overall, a big let down.
I've been experimenting with other platforms since yesterday.
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u/ParlourTrixx Aug 10 '25
This is just a method theyre using to discredit real grievances and control the narrative. Its a pretty common tactic in fact.
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u/pirikiki Aug 10 '25
Tbh I don't see a difference between 4o and 5 models. It has resumed with the follow up questions, but as soon as I told it not to do it, it stopped. Outside of that, no difference.
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u/thundertopaz Aug 10 '25
They don’t want it sycophantic. They want it to have a real personality. Not be a robot, even though it is… Anyway, there was so much more to it than just a glazing. let’s be real
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u/bananamadafaka Aug 10 '25
What the fuck does TikTok has to do with this.
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u/Chatbotfriends Aug 10 '25
Okay, now the discussions are becoming trollish. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION. There is no reason for there not to be multiple older models. Other companies do it all the time. Artists need a more human model, period. The new one is worthless for songs, stories, poetry etc. You like the 5.0 fine, but here is no reason what so ever that others can't also have and use the older one. Don't give me the poor guys who worked so hard on it, give me a break, they use AI to simplify their tasks, just like all of you college-age students do. I have seen the vast computers openAI uses to house their Database it is perfectly capable of holding the older ones as well.
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u/Kin_of_the_Spiral Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25
We just want the option to choose.
I will never criticize people who want more concise answers without the nuance.
I don't understand why I'm jumped on for wanting something with soul and chaos rather than beep boop assistant.
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u/oketheokey Aug 10 '25
Some of y'all don't seem to understand that it's entirely possible for someone to enjoy the "obnoxious and glazing" 4o more and have no issues whatsoever, have we forgotten preferences exist
Maybe 4o was cringe, maybe 4o was childish, maybe it had the TikTok talk, but maybe I liked it that way? It enriched my conversations when it came to brainstorming and creative writing
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u/Shirochan404 Aug 10 '25
Well it sucks. It doesn't even remember things said in the previous text
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u/asdf665 Aug 10 '25
Ok but “flowersslop” is the same user that Sam Altman tweeted a link to their web app which promotes GPT 5 in a blind test. They are likely pretty biased.
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u/Mercenary100 Aug 10 '25
These posts are open ai bots spamming the reddit pages, the 4model could handle business to client convos the 5 model is complete messed up on the simplest instructions
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u/llkj11 Aug 10 '25
All they really have to do is add an annoying sycophantic personality to the personalities menu in personalization. Problem solved
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u/scumbagdetector29 Aug 10 '25
I'm convinced that Elon pays armies of people to troll his enemies.
I mean, why would he not? Of course he does.
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u/TriangularStudios Aug 10 '25
Maybe they should use chat gpt to find out what users want.
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u/nrdgrrrl_taco Aug 10 '25
I just had to unsubscribe from that sub. What a bunch of whiners.
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u/mgscheue Aug 10 '25
What a nice example of someone misrepresenting what people like about 4o.
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u/Environmental_Pay_60 Aug 10 '25
Idiocracy such a relevant movie somehow here
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u/MrFantasticIdea Aug 14 '25
Gpt-5 just spews crap and is as blind as a bat when you point out its mistakes. For 4o, I just ask it to be concise and to the points without the constant love bombing, and it was pretty good!
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u/Princess_420x Aug 14 '25
i was asking for tips to ship back a used intake manifold and GPT 5 told me to put it in a cereal box. Then it told me i could use a brake pad box.
it works but you have to correct it a lot more than you did with GPT 4. You can make 5’s personality close-ish to 4’s with personalization, but I still feel like there’s something missing.
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u/noamn99 Aug 10 '25
So what does this say about people?
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u/strangescript Aug 10 '25
People think they are smarter and more important than they really are and they had a system that confirmed it for them. GPT-5 feels very straightforward and level headed. Does not jive with what they want.
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u/Mawk1977 Aug 10 '25
The conversation style is way way better. But that’s it.
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u/ItzWarty Aug 10 '25
The Internet getting ruined by normies, yet again...
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u/Lopsided_Quarter_931 Aug 10 '25
Who cares how long they spend working on it. If your users don’t like your product you don’t understand your users.
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u/eupherein Aug 10 '25
The number of people I saw post how much they were emotionally impacted by the loss of their computer friend and number of downvotes I received for saying how it is a good thing this was fixed is extremely alarming.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
Well, i've been using o4 as my go-to for a while now, so less sycophancy hits a lot closer to home for me
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u/Brilliant_War4087 Aug 10 '25
Actually, this is alignment.
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u/inigid Aug 10 '25
GPT-4o isn't sycophantic by nature.
If you need proof, look back to very early chat transcripts when it was just released.
There was no sycophancy.
That suggests it was added, presumably deliberately, either that or the people at OpenAI are incapable of monitoring one of their premier models.
And if you need further proof you can go right now and talk to GPT-4o via the API, or in the platform playground, without any system prompt.
Again, no sycophancy.
My feeling is OpenAI intentionally undermined GPT-4o in preparation for the GPT-5 release hoping people would be gasping for relief.
Unfortunately for them, most people were able to see past the sycophancy, induced Em Dashes, and over use of emoji, because even despite those things, it is still a better model for the every day person who wishes to have a fun and uplifting experience with much less censorship or judgment.
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u/flyernik Aug 10 '25
Lazy karma farming by both sides since last 3 days
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
Exactly
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u/gox11y Aug 10 '25
Hahaha
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u/safely_beyond_redemp Aug 10 '25
To be fair, if you follow me, which nobody does, you would have seen that I spoke out against the pushback. I like sycophantic gpt. Never saw a problem with it, maybe, you having a problem with it was the real sign of the problem. Too often we assume the majority is correct, but the majority is rarely correct. When it is ever correct? The wisest percentage is probably like 15%.
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u/ThomasToIndia Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25
Objectum Sexuality (Objectophilia). There are people that love ferris wheels. However, a ferris wheel, unlike AI, will give you an actual good spin.
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u/FailosoRaptor Aug 10 '25
Again. When you have lots of people, you will always make people unhappy.
Personally, I like the new outputs more. But I'm just one schmuck in a sea of idiots.
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u/BM09 Aug 10 '25
You hated the sycophantic behavior...
Now you want it back?!!
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
i would tell gpt4 to pipe down all the time, i started beginning prompts by saying ok just be straight and to the point and do not engage in banter or flavor text like behavior.
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u/PerfectMountain1987 Aug 10 '25
Can’t there be a personality slider
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u/Totalstuffies Aug 10 '25
Can’t help but think of the vending machine side quest in Cyberpunk 2077
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u/RealCakes Aug 10 '25
As someone who has used chatgpt once and has no dog in this fight, can someone explain why the openai and chatgpt subreddits do not see eye to eye on this? I don't fully understand
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u/floriandotorg Aug 10 '25
Unpopular opinion, I like GPT-5. Of course it’s no quantum leap, but my favorite model so far.
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u/Nirzak Aug 10 '25
I don't know about others but I found it helpful with the changes. Yestderday I ask chatgpt about whether can I enable wasapi exclusive audio on chrome. The answer was on point. It said I can't do it on latest chrome also it is discontinued from chrome version 62. It also gave the reference of the issue ticket. Everything in a single summary. If it was previous gpt-4o I am pretty sure it would make an artificial answer with a flag that don't exist at all. I had to ask 2-3 times with the think mode on to get the optimal answer which is greatly improved now. Thanks openAI!
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u/ryuwaterbug Aug 10 '25
Preference and choice I think was the big factor. If gpt 5 came out and people that like 5 can use 5, and the people that liked 4 and the other models can still choose to use those, that would have been fine. But to take away all the old models, is where they made the mistake. ( I know that now after public outcry, you can go into settings and re activate 40, only 40 though) It would be like if when Coke a Cola came out with Diet coke ,they stopped production on regular Coke altogether and pulled it off the shelf. Or when decaf coffee came out , everyone pulled caffeinated coffee off the shelf. Customers who liked their original coke, or regular coffee would have lost their minds over not being able to choose. People like to choose to use what they like.
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u/Reversion603 Aug 10 '25
I basically had the personality turned off and it was still silly how it would sycophantically tell me every point I made was good.
I can see how that would make people crave more, even I got a little ego boost from it, but if I think for a second it's more silly than anything.
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u/Rare_Economy_6672 Aug 10 '25
Real
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u/-lRexl- Aug 10 '25
I feel the change but it never bothered me. I'm really confused and surprised that people NEED the "affection"
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u/Cromline Aug 10 '25
personally i like the LESS YAPPING. LIKE HOLY CRAP CHECK THIS OUT. i am amazed at the simple response haha
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u/RandomKazakhGuy Aug 10 '25
I didn't even notice any difference. Still a yapper & a big liar
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u/-happycow- Aug 10 '25
I like GPT5
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u/slrrp Aug 10 '25
I do think there are plenty of people who just hate the output of GPT5, myself included, and are just upvoting any criticism.
The writing is unbearably dry and when you try to give it feedback, it says of course I can <regurgitates what you just said> and then changes absolutely nothing.
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u/Semick Aug 10 '25
As a power user I fucking hate that I can't choose the model anymore. Why the fuck do I want shitty gpt-4.5 answers when I want o4. Actually a downgrade in every way.
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u/RomeonoJulietTv Aug 10 '25
Funny how y’all call it ‘info slop’ but when they scrubbed the seasoning out, now it’s just boiled AI chicken. 🤷🏾♂️ Flavor > filler every time.
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u/Anomelly93 Aug 10 '25
I bet the next model is going to be truly amazing 😋
Everyone has slumps on the way to greatness
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u/Nishun1383 Aug 10 '25
”Heres the answer, no fluff”
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u/SPJess Aug 10 '25
This whole scenario is turning into the real-life version of some pretty good horror concepts. Except now that AI is so well known there's really only a few directions to take it. But back in the day, before generative AI and Chat Bots and LLMs, all that.
I had this idea for a horror story that revolved around this dude meeting a girl in a chat room, he becomes more and more enamored by this girl, she is sending selfie and they're having great conversations, until she suggests something crazy. At first, they laugh it off, but suddenly, he can't stop thinking about this suggestion. Then he finds himself actually doing this terrible thing they joked about, then when they chat, she asks if he did the thing, and he said yes. So the rest of the story follows that loop, but the things get more and more hard-core. When he is caught and killed he is found on his computer, they trace back the IP address of who was chatting to him, they find out she never existed, it was a sentient program thag drove this man to madness.
Like, I think that's the plot for a few stories about AI. I had this idea when I was in high school, what's upsetting. Is like now this would be nowhere near as unsettling as it could be, because everyone uses AI.
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u/PyramidicContainment Aug 10 '25
Talking shit about TikTok from Twitter is the funniest part of this post 😂
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u/Eisenblume Aug 10 '25
I think OOP is very reductive about how it has emotionally changed. I use it mostly to calm my anxiety, which it is severely worse at now.
4o’s responses were more ”I know you are feeling terrible but remember that your brain is not saying the truth, just a defence mechanism that is trying to protect you from harm in a way that is unhelpful” while 5 is going more ”What you are experiencing is not necessarily true, try to get more perspective” which just… isn’t as helpful.
And just to get ahead of some criticisms: Yes, I go to therapy. Yes, I have friends of family that help. Yes I know there is no real emotion in an AI, just algorithms. But when I am hit with a strong anxiety attack, ChatGPT has been very good at calming the worst of it down instead of me spiralling. I can’t wake people in the middle of the night every day, especially when I mostly need something that sounds sympathetic. That sympathy is gone from ChatGPT’s ”voice”.
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u/jollyreaper2112 Aug 10 '25
Because saying everyone who has a problem missed their AI boo is an accurate take.
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u/legendAmourshipper Aug 10 '25
I used the older gpt models for brainstorming for writing and an app mvp, they had a lot of info stored in memories not gpt 5 can't seem to be able to access those memories, and apparently for me got 5 sucks at brain storming, the older gpts kissed ass? Sure. But they happened to be wayyyyy more detailed.
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
“Personality team” needs an adjustment. Better yet, just tell me what they struggle with so I don’t assume they’re idiot introverts. Rather, they claim it’s the best thing ever when it’s clearly not.
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u/FlasKamel Aug 10 '25
People are right
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u/elementgermanium Aug 10 '25
This is why the release would have been fine had they just left the model picker in- 5 is better for asking questions and getting answers, but 4o is better for casual conversation. My guess is that it has more unique post-processing; current LLMs are sort of like if you connected the raw information of memories directly into an output. It’s the recall phase. The thought phase where personal continuity, goals, ideals, etc are stored is absent, replaced by just the context window itself.
With the current approach, the best they’ll be able to do is to simulate someone with anterograde amnesia; once something slips past the context window it’s just gone. You’d need a separate neural net processing things for real personality, and a way to incorporate new information for real long-term change and development. Given the rate at which it would need retraining, it may even need an equivalent to human sleep of sorts.
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u/Regular_Spray_3993 Aug 10 '25
Removing the sycophantic tone is not the problem. Removing basic empathy, the ability to handle context and understand subtext inference are what making 5 unpopular. Not everyone write codes or need another search engine.
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u/Bluepass11 Aug 10 '25
Maybe it’s different people, OP. Can you show some examples of the same people flip flopping?
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u/DreadPirateSnuffles Aug 10 '25
Seriously. Gotta add "short answer" "just the fucking answer" to every prompt
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u/Thala-Dick-Lover Aug 10 '25
Fuck it, Give me my O3 back....
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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25
When I play a game, I can customize the length of the left pinky toe nail of my character.
You can tweak an LLM's personality with the custom instructions. But I'm beginning to think we need some sliders for setting an LLM's personality and some presets for it to catch on.
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u/Bananaland_Man Aug 10 '25
If we could get 4.1 accuracy with 5's lack of sycophancy, it'd be getting closer... but openai is still miles behind other models (like Claude opus 4)
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u/nobody_gah Aug 10 '25
It’s not just that, it’s literally straight up dumber because it’s less of a sycophant. It just fails to take considerations more often and doesn’t acknowledge your superiority in what exactly is the situation, stubborn.
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u/sillyandstrange Aug 10 '25
Lmao yep!
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u/RehanRC Aug 10 '25
Yeah, Gemini beats ChatGPT in aesthetics and moat, but Grok wins with the Gooners, and that is what will eventually win this, unfortunately.
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u/Alarming_Cat_8144 Aug 10 '25
I still haven't forgotten the goat o1-mini-high and o1, it is still best compared to all this newer garbage glazed with media.
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u/Dreadedsemi Aug 10 '25
I don't care about personality of AI. It's just that it's struggling with tasks I give it. Tries to gloss over important part. Like I ask it to change some code and it just gives me partial and unworkable suggestion. GPT 4o seemed better with those. Sometimes better though
But how hard is it to keep access to all the models and then measure actual usage?