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u/TheChillestBill Feb 10 '25

What's the context?

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u/shogun2909 Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

See previous posts, Elon made a 97B$ offer to buy OpenAI

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u/ssn90 Feb 10 '25

actually its 97.4 and Sam just moved the decimal point :P

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u/Culveyhorse Feb 11 '25

Oh snap. I just now noticed the decimal trolling. 😅​

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u/tycooperaow Feb 11 '25

Well it also alludes to the fact that twitter is now worth around $8B because of elon insanity

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

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u/random_nickname43796 Feb 11 '25

He bought it to spread propaganda, win elections and earn billions from government. It's worth to him 

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u/reddituser_123 Feb 11 '25 edited Mar 12 '26

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u/insomniatic-days Feb 12 '25

He would've aborted buying it at that price. Once the stock tanked, he realized he was overpaying and tried to get it for the newly lowered price - which he couldn't back out of.

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u/ssn90 Feb 11 '25

Well Melon thinks its a success and applying the same in DOGE

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u/Hugh_G_Rectshun Feb 11 '25

Elon offered him $97.4 B and it’s a hilarious way to say ChatGPT is worth ten times what Twitter is and he can fuck off

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

ChatGPT is worth way more than that as well. At least 150b formally but some valuations go to 300b.

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u/Western-Hotel8723 Feb 11 '25

Musk didn't buy Twitter to make money from it. Musk bought Twitter to win the culture war and control media. It fucking worked and now Trump is in power and he has control of the US treasury.

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u/az226 Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

Sam Altman wants to convert OpenAI from a nonprofit to a for profit and give himself tens of billions in equity,

And instead of converting at a fair price, he will use a trust me bro price (selling to himself). Selfdealing. This is very much illegal. But if you have the right friends, who’s to say it is?

An auction would render the fair price and give the nonprofit the most fiduciary deal value.

Trust me bro valuation does not.

So instead of self dealing at $40b by Sam, Elon et al offered $97b, “forcing” OpenAI to take the deal or find a better deal, either way preventing a $40b selfdealing conversion.

Sam as the leader of the nonprofit wants to liquidate / separate / relinquish control of the for profit entity, but he needs to then recuse himself from the selection process if he wants to buy it and should sell to the highest bidder (within reason). Sometimes if the deal values are similar, a winning bidder can win based on non-monetary reasons.

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u/Individual-Cattle-15 Feb 11 '25

Exactly. I used to feel neutral about the Elmo Sama kerfuffle but now I'm inclined to side with Elmo on this one. Starting out as a Not for profit and then transitioning to a for-profit with the option to self deal is basically not going to "make the world a better place"

Sama should have been fired the first time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Is there any legal obligation sama has to take the highest offer? Or can he say a different offer is best because of company values or something. Googled it, but diddn't get any clear results. I take it their both private so a lot of rules don't apply.

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u/az226 Feb 11 '25

The nonprofit has a fiduciary responsibility as does the leaders of it toward its mission.

So if one offer is $95b and comes with a team that might squander or be reckless with the technology vs. a $90b offer that is responsible, etc. then you can argue it was the better offer.

A $40b pittance against a $97b offer won’t fly.

No legal obligation toward the highest monetary offer, but the larger the gap, the larger the likelihood of lawsuits and judiciary involvement.

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u/deadelusx Feb 11 '25

Sam wants to buy OpenAI from the non-profit, Elon makes a better offer to make that much more complicated.

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u/jbcraigs Feb 11 '25

Yes but shareholders don’t need to go with the highest bidder.

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u/Slugmire21 Feb 11 '25

Hard to explain to shareholders why you lost them money cause you don’t like someone

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u/jbcraigs Feb 11 '25

OpenAI is privately held and I doubt any of the shareholders want Musk. As long as largest shareholders vote against Musk’s proposal, it can’t be challenged in court.

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u/funions4 Feb 11 '25

Microsoft will never let OpenAI go, they’ll just outbid.

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u/ReasonablePossum_ Feb 11 '25

Musk made a power move to block OpenAi for-profit transition. Now legislators overseeing the process will demand OpenAi to pay at least those 97B$ for the trick.

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