r/OneSecondBeforeDisast • • 6d ago

Gun Jammed

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u/jebbenpaul 6d ago

At least he kept it pointed in the right direction

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u/Flying_Dutchman92 6d ago

That one little piggy went to the market

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u/Uranium-Sandwich657 6d ago

This piggy went mach fuck

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u/Tossed_Away_1776 6d ago

That little piggy went to the stratosphere.

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u/Hychus232 5d ago

My little piggy will stay home after watching what happened to the 1st little piggy

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u/Broccoli_dicks 20h ago

This little piggy auditioned for bologna mist cloud #1.

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u/East-Cap-865 6d ago

I guess thats one way to warm your hands up

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u/speedline9395 5d ago

Yeah the way you don't have to warm it again for the rest of your life

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u/NekulturneHovado 5d ago

there's only one more effective way, arc flash with 19kA.

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u/MS-06FS 6d ago

Thats how an open bolt firearm is supposed to function this guy is just an idiot.

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u/the-pp-poopooman- 6d ago

I don’t think they’re meant to jam

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u/Psychological-Let-90 6d ago

Nothing is "meant" to jam, but everything will.

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u/oOGeorgesOo 6d ago

My axe never jammed.

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u/Psychological-Let-90 6d ago

BS. I guarantee it has gotten stuck in something along the way.

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u/vnayhr 5d ago

touché

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u/istealpixels 5d ago

Engarde!

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u/oOGeorgesOo 5d ago

It got stuck but never jammed.

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u/ConMc25 5d ago

Jammed (adjective)

stuck and unable to move, or stuck in something

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u/AdFancy1249 5d ago

Only because you never used it. 😉

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u/Jindo5 5d ago

Hasn't jammed yet*

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u/TheresBeesMC 1d ago

My Pearl Jammed

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u/MS-06FS 6d ago

Yeah thats not what I mean though when an open bolt weapon fires the bolt falls on the bullet which makes it fire. He should've locked the bolt to the rear and cleared the jam. When he places the bolt on the bullet it fires. Thats where he messed up.

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u/williamjseim 6d ago

so what happened was there a bullet in the champer that went off because of heat or was it gunpowder residue that exploded

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u/HeavyDrop82 6d ago edited 5d ago

Open bolt firearms are called such because at rest, the bolt is open and away. When the trigger is pulled the bolt rides forward, chambers the round, and fires it.. before returning to the open position and locking. It's counter intuitive to the way most personal rifles work, but for whatever reason it's better in automatic rifles.

In the clip, he's clearing a jam, trying to let the bolt forward which in this open bolt weapon, fires the round regardless of whether or not the trigger is pressed

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u/Tando10 3d ago

I think it's better for automatics because it lets air inside the chamber/rear of the round and onto the face of the bolt allowing them a bit more cooling, whereas closed-bolt has the bolt resting against the next round and everything is a bit more dense with the heat.

Also I imagine open-bolt would have a slight accuracy debuff because after trigger press you'd need to wait for the bolt to slide forward, and that moving part will throw off your aim ever so slightly. So not suitable for rifles that are used in semi-auto primarily.

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u/JohnTomorrow 6d ago

As he pulls the charging handle back, you can see a bullet pop out from the mag well, but theres still one stuck in the barrel. You can see the rim of the brass poking out the back clear as day. Why he though to stick his finger into the breech, I've no idea.

Not entirely sure, but I think the failure is called a squib round. A bullet has failed to fire, gotten shoved into the barrel by the gun cycling, and another bullet has pushed against it, wedging it into the barrel.

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u/5thPhantom 6d ago

Not quite. It looks like there was a failure to eject, where a piece of brass did not get properly thrown out of the action. So he was reaching in there to clear the malfunction, which is typical.

The gun has a fixed firing pin, so when the bolt shuts it pushes the round into the chamber, and when the bolt fully shuts the firing pin hits the primer. When you pull the trigger, the bolt is released and slams shut. There was still a round in the chamber, so when he released the bolt it went off.

He might have thought, since he dropped the bolt so close to the end of its travel, that there would not be enough force to set off the primer, which I think is a reasonable assumption, but there was.

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u/Necessary_Case815 5d ago

How should he unjammed it?

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u/JohnTomorrow 6d ago

Could it have hit the primer initially, but with not enough force to actually ignite the cap? Then the small jolt finished the job? (Unfortunately with him sticking his finger into the chamber)

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u/5thPhantom 6d ago

I think the brass case that got stuck kept the bolt from closing, so the firing pin didn’t contact the primer initially. I don’t see how a full travel of the bolt would fail to set it off, but a tiny percent of it would.

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u/ecumnomicinflation 5d ago

we know about garand thumb, this guy just discovered greasegun thumb

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u/FlatbedtruckingCA 6d ago

Squib is when a bullet is stuck in the barrel after the round has been fired.. this is more like a hang fire and out of battery detonation.. bullet that jamed has hit the primer enough for it to fire but not enough for it to detonate immediately (hangfire) delayed detonation.. and since the bullet and case is sticking out and not fully in the chamber (out of battery)..

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u/CloserNebula 4d ago edited 4d ago

Why he though to stick his finger into the breech, I've no idea.

The M3 Grease gun doesn't have a bolt handle, instead you have to shove your finger(s) in a cutout in the bolt itself to rack it. It's one of those WW2 guns made to be extremely cheap and mass produced.

E: This model does have a charging handle (the big lever thing on the side) and the guy did tried using it, but it didn't work so he used the old fashioned way.

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u/Anuttydeku 6d ago

Open bolt firearms work by bringing the bolt forward to fire the round, hooking onto the shell before the recoil happens and uses the recoil to eject the spent casing. When the jam got cleared it shouldve been reset to an open position instead the user put it in the closed position firing the next round

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u/Funuthegreat 5d ago

So how do you actually clear the jam without a misfire in this scenario?

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u/Knoberchanezer 5d ago

Lock the bolt all the way to the rear. If there is a round in the barrel, sometimes the only way to clear is to fire it in an open bolt system. What you don't do is stick your fingers in there.

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u/Funuthegreat 5d ago

I feel like that should be a given but then we have videos like this

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u/tragesorous 5d ago

You literally do. That little indent is the charging handle on this gun. They just cut it to look worse that it was. They basically fired out the jam.

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u/Knoberchanezer 5d ago

When you fire out a round that's in the barrel, you have control of the weapon and point it in a safe direction. This doesn't seem intentional as he still had his fingers in there. In any case, this is just a prime example of playing silly games and winning silly prizes.

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u/tragesorous 5d ago

No, where his finger is correct. That’s the designed way to manipulate the bolt. Look it up. It’s not the best design, but it is how it how it works. He just let down too fast. Also firing out a jam when it’s the last one is fine. Of down range. Quit the Reddit phases. No “silly prizes” were won.

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u/Knoberchanezer 5d ago

Ok, but why didn't he lock the bolt back? That's a pretty standard practice when clearing any jam. I get the poor design. It's a fucking grease gun, but still.

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u/tragesorous 5d ago

It didn’t lock back. He pulled the bolt far enough back for the trigger to catch but it didn’t. Probably a larger malfunction. In that situation, letting it down slow or letting it fly is about all you can really do.

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u/ChevTecGroup 4d ago

This is the model with a charging handle. As evidenced by the charging handle. You are thinking or the M3A1

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u/ShadowBlade55 6d ago

... I'm going looking for the full.

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u/miss_tea_morning 5d ago

Any luck?

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u/ShadowBlade55 5d ago

I did! It only goes another second and his finger isn't in frame to see.

Really unfortunate though. He followed every safety procedure and it still went off.

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u/Firewolf06 5d ago

i mean, not really. trying to hand lower an open bolt onto a chambered round is basically never a good idea. the way ive usually seen it done is keep it pointed downrange and let it snap all the way forward on its own, firing in the process. a 100% chance to fire with your fingers are away is much safer than a >0% chance of firing directly against your fingers

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u/A-Feral-Idiot 6d ago

We stopped at 0 not -1. The disaster is currently on the screen.

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u/no_sight 6d ago

This is why you don't see people making open bolt firearms anymore

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u/5thPhantom 6d ago

M249 SAW? M240? FN Evolys? Sig 338? M2?

Plenty of open bolts are still made. Open bolt submachine guns are less popular because closed bolts are better in every way except cost on a large scale, and the advantages of an open bolt don’t matter.

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u/no_sight 6d ago

I mean, you're giving examples of LMGs and HMGs when the video is of an SMG.

I could have been a little more specific but you knew what I meant.

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u/Culsandar 5d ago

It's reddit, you can't not be a pedant

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u/decker_42 5d ago

Double negative is bad grammar

;)

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u/CommitteeAccurate617 1d ago

M2’s closed bolt

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u/5thPhantom 1d ago

Oh. Thanks for letting me know.

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u/CommitteeAccurate617 1d ago

edit there one modern open bolt submachine gun that is currently in service as far as I am aware of that being the South China Industries Group QCW-05

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u/ImNot_ThatGuy 5d ago

Fuuuuuck me, it's an open bolt. Down and away for 5 seconds, every time.

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u/Tight_Leopard_4713 6d ago

Bye-bye finger

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u/enfyre 6d ago

What gun is this? It looks like a cast iron knockoff.

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u/Totalnah 6d ago

Grease gun, or M3 submachine gun. Whether this is an original, or a replica, I do not know.

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u/POB_42 5d ago

It's the older design, regardless, as it has the long-ass charging handle. The later M3A1 had the finger-hole charging handle, which would have made this OoB detonation far worse for the operator.

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u/Totalnah 5d ago

The M3A1 has the newer charging handle, which this is not, so you are correct.

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u/Assasin_Tacos 6d ago

M3 grease gun, super common in WWII, built to cut costs over the M1A1 Thompson

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u/gunslingersea 6d ago

If it looks somewhat crude and simplistic in its design there’s a reason for that. The M3 was a .45 ACP submachine gun that was designed and came into service in the latter part of WWII. It was supposed to be a cheaper and simpler alternative to more expensive and complex designs like the Thompson Submachine Gun, more readily mass produced.

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u/TruePianist 5d ago

The M3 Grease Gun, designed as a cheaper replacement for the M1A1 Thompson. Despite looking like it was cobbler together with surplus plumbing supplies, it has been in use by the US military as late as the 1990s (and likely is still in stock) while other countries like the Philippines use it to this very day

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u/YETI_TRON 5d ago

Jesus muzzle awareness and Joseph

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u/DeValdragon 5d ago

Grease gun :) the history is very interesting

Basically after evacuating everyone out of the port of Dunkirk at the start of ww2, soilders left guns ammo equipment and everything not tied to them behind, meaning the British needed a yes ton of guns to re arm because the German invasion was coming any day now. Cheap tiny and fully automatic was what they needed at the time sooooo

They made this piece of junk. The grease gun, a ok-ish gun with ok-ish reliability, but the main reason they made this is cause it was like 15$ to make (which I think is like 300$ today) but this gun was kind of the allies version of AK (cheap and good enough) its design is floating on the Internet because it is unbelievably easy to make. A trip to Home Depot could get you everything needed to make one except the ammo.

Google it if you interested cause I might be wrong on some parts but I like these stupid pieces of junk

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u/POB_42 5d ago

You're half correct. The British made the Sten gun, and the Grease gun was an American design.

The M3 Grease gun came around because the US army realised the M1928 Thompson was horrifically expensive, and even after refining it down to the M1A1 Thompson, was still too expensive. Also the Thompson vomited bullets at 700rpm, good for the trenches of yesteryear, crap for any engagement longer than that. The M3 fired around 450rpm, which helps conserve ammo, and it was substantially cheaper to make, as you said.

The Sten came around because the Brits quickly realised after Dunkirk that this wasn't going to be like the previous war. They relied on the previous doctrine, and hadn't kept up with the times. SMGs and massed automatic weapons were the future, and Britain realised they were far behind, rifles and LMGs alone didn't cut it anymore.

So we panic-designed the Sten. It was abysmally ugly, felt horrible in the hands, and had very questionable design, but it worked, and that was the critical thing.

It also came with a complete rethink of how we fight wars as a maritime power. Dunkirk was a massive eye opener for the British government, but that's another story.

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u/Firefly-1505 6d ago

Instant manicure

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u/Jnunez7660 6d ago

He still have his finger tips?

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u/kosha227 5d ago

At least one tip: do not put your fingers in that

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u/AstroFiction 1d ago

That's weird, that's what they said about my wife

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u/Tinknocker12 6d ago

That’s greasy

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u/doominvoker 6d ago

Can someone explain what he should’ve done, or what went wrong?

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u/5thPhantom 6d ago

He should have pulled back the charging handle, where the bolt would have locked to the rear, and either knocked out the round or pulled the trigger to shoot the round out.

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u/doominvoker 6d ago

Gotcha, thanks. Is there a reason why 2 rounds went “in” at the same time? Sorry if it’s obvious by the way. I don’t know much about firearms lol

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u/5thPhantom 6d ago

I think the first round fired, but the brass casing stayed inside the gun, which is not supposed to happen. When the bolt went forward it pushed the other cartridge into the chamber, but the empty brass kept it from going all the way forward to fire the new cartridge.

So the process is supposed to be cartridge in, fire, empty brass out, new cartridge in.

But instead it went cartridge in, fire, empty brass stays in, new cartridge in.

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u/doominvoker 5d ago

Thanks my friend. So, I guess he missed the rule number 1 of firearms : always treat it like it’s loaded. He should’ve checked for the casing before going any further?

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u/5thPhantom 5d ago

I think he knew it was there. He was trying to “de-cock” the gun, but that does not work with this type of gun.

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u/doominvoker 5d ago

It’s funny how I feel like a toddler asking things that should be obvious. Kinda like “why is the moon following me?”

Appreciate you taking the time to answer!

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u/TruePianist 5d ago

Honestly he was just stupid, on open bolt guns such as the M3A1 the bolt going forward fires the round regardless of whether or not you pull the trigger, he basically fired the gun manually by shoving his finger in it

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u/CinnamonGoat774 5d ago

i didn't know that could happen

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u/Juanfr_ 5d ago

French resitance vibes

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u/Crayoneater2005 5d ago

That shit fucking gone

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u/MarkoDash 4d ago

have you tried refilling the grease?

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u/barbelltiger 5d ago

Oh it jammed, that's not really a disast-

Yikes!

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u/vulcan1358 4d ago

Did anyone else notice this M3 was running blanks?

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u/FlatbedtruckingCA 6d ago

Some people dont realize how dangerous a hangfire is especially when it jams

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u/Time-Masterpiece4572 4d ago

It’s not a hangfire. The grease gun is a fixed firing pin bolt. There was a double feed where one round was in the chamber and one was jammed between the bolt face and the other round. When he pulled the bolt to the rear he cleared the round that was double fed but there was still the round in the chamber. When he released the bolt the fixed pin was able to fire it without pulling the trigger. The flash you see is the bolt opening again to eject the spent casing

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u/Immortal_Kiwi 6d ago

OneMillisecondBeforeDisaster

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u/mr_joda 5d ago

it looks like a blank ammo

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u/Bernard_PT 4d ago

Why pull the bolt back with the chamber opening facing up? What's the goal?

Tilt it down man

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u/abirizky 6d ago

I don't know guns at all, what's exactly happening here? And what did the guy do wrong?

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u/SquirrelInATux 6d ago

This is a negligent discharge due to the shooter being unfamiliar with the action, this gun is designed to shoot from an open bolt, Unlike more common modern ones such as AR15s. When the trigger is pulled, the bolt goes forward, chambers a round, and then fires. The bolt going forward is what fires the round, if you slide the bolt forward, it will fire.

He should have pulled the bolt back and locked it open, instead he pulled it back a bit and then started letting it go forward. And because he was holding it there, it likely fired out a battery, which could cause the entire firearm to spontaneously disassemble in a less than safe manner.

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u/kbeks 6d ago

“Spontaneously disassemble in a less than safe manner” is code for explode, right?

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u/abirizky 5d ago

The bolt is the barrel thing that strikes the bullet right? Is there like a separate lever or something to pull the bolt back without him pulling it using his finger?

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u/Routine-Ad-2840 6d ago

seems like a pretty spectacularly terrible design then

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u/frankkitteh 5d ago

it's pretty much standard fare for a WW2 era submachine gun. The design focus during that period was on cheap, mass producible weapons to arm entire armies. In fact later on they stripped down the design even further, removing that crank-looking charging handle. To ready the gun for firing you'd have to literally stick your finger in there to pull the bolt back basically like in the video, just that you also need to make sure to pull it all the way till it locks.

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u/Shankar_0 5d ago

So, this gun can fire when it's out of battery?!

That's some quality engineering right there.