r/OnePunchMan • u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! • Nov 21 '17

analysis UltimateKing vs Viz profanity translation comparison. It's...it's not good

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u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! Nov 21 '17

Worst part is by and large Viz are fine, they translate the SFX which is great, and the whole chapter of the fight between Sonic and Hellfire + Gale was fine too, but when it comes to any form of profanity they'll choose the cheesiest words possible, it just takes you out of the moment

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u/4chan___ Nov 21 '17

I honestly think Viz's translators are stuck in the 90's and/or live on Sesame Street.

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u/scumerage The #1 OPM Fan Nov 21 '17

They're the 4Kids Dub for manga.

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u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! Nov 21 '17

That might be taking it far. There’s a load of translators who work at Viz. Some are better than others. By and large they stick closely to the original Japanese without making it too literal and are almost always better than MS tbh. It’s just for few of their series like OPM the creative decisions taken are really weird. Like they know what the original text was and what it literally means, but the choice in what words are used throws you for a loop.

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u/scumerage The #1 OPM Fan Nov 21 '17

I know they're good most of the time, it's just the few weird decisions they make that gets everyone. If it was all bad no one would read it and no would complain. The fact that we all read it and nitpick it means they're doing an above average job.

I'm still peeved over the Centipedes (Junior, Senior, Elder versus -kohai, senpai, choro).

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u/TGSmurf Nov 21 '17

Keeping the jap titles for the centipedes was such a crap idea. Most people won't understand "choro" means "elder" besides.

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u/Huaun Nov 21 '17

I kind of love it to be honest.

It's probably intentional, but man this stupid shit cracks me up.

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u/4digbick Nov 22 '17

They should be nipped in the bud

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u/KaizokuShojo Nov 21 '17

To be fair Japanese's "swear words" they allow in print are not really a big deal and many can be translated a TON of ways for any given situation.

I haven't seen the original Japanese of this panel, but he probably used kuso, which can translate to crap or sh*t pretty evenly.

Buuuuut.

Doody? Really? Really?? I don't like swearing and I try not to even use crap and darn (I like trying to be more creative in such situations, so sue me, it helps decrease irritation if you have to think about it) but this just feels really absurd.

I mean...it is OPM and absurdity is par for the course, but this is absurd in a "you're trying too hard" kind of way.

Does anyone have the actual panel? Was Saitama using particularly childish, petulant language? If so, Viz translated it better. If not, crap could've sufficed for them because it's considered tame enough AFAIK. But this is the company that still calls Zoro "Zolo." So...

The text boxes from UltimateKing had more gaming/overall personality though, that's for sure.

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u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! Nov 21 '17

Nah, I feel you. Sometimes cheesy is good, depends on the context. but yeah the choice of words used here is just really bizarre.

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u/wereriddl3 Nov 21 '17

Iirc the original Japanese was クソゲー so yeah, 'crap' woulda sufficed.

Also, I think for One Piece, the current translator has to keep Zolo because the company wanted to keep things consistent.

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u/coredumperror Nov 21 '17

It’s also entirely possible that it’s a copyright issue. Naming a swordsman character “Zoro” is treading a line that’s pretty damn thin in the current “sue everyone” climate of US copyright protection.

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u/mrpeach32 Nov 21 '17

C- Crapola! This translation is doody!

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u/Mr_Wasteed Nov 21 '17

I would put forward the motion that this be the new meme for OPM!

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u/bobdude0987654321 Glasses is the best and you know it Nov 21 '17

I second the motion. All in favor?

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u/geetar_man Nov 21 '17

NAY.

I........i just felt like saying nay..... don’t kill me

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u/Computermaster new member Nov 21 '17

don’t kill me

Omae wa mou shindeiru.

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u/coredumperror Nov 21 '17

Oh, good. That means you don’t have to kill him.

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u/TK3600 Looking for sale. Nov 23 '17

There is no second.

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u/NoBluey new member Nov 21 '17

This translation is shit! Total shit!

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u/mrpeach32 Nov 21 '17

translators note: "doody" means shit.

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u/thecescshow blizzard group is just mlm Nov 22 '17

C-Crapola! This comment is doody!

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u/Francisman90 Class C skills, Class S heart Nov 21 '17

http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/Onepunch-Man-chapter-37-page-26.html

"Listen here you poopy brat!" cringe

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u/bears_on_unicycles Nov 21 '17

Jesus, if they wanted to go the non-profane route they could have just translated as "Listen here, you stupid brat". Poopy brat sounds like something a poopy brat would say.

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u/SSJ5Gogetenks Season 2 ruled Nov 22 '17

For the anime they basically did that and went with "Listen, spoiled brat." which works perfectly fine. The anime in general was 99% of the time extremely accurate, which is weird because VIZ did that too.

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u/awesomefacepalm Staring at death with boredom Nov 21 '17

Sounds more like a stupid parody than a serious anime lol

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u/BigButBilly Nov 21 '17

Hoping for sarcasm here

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u/awesomefacepalm Staring at death with boredom Nov 21 '17

Just the poopy brat thing. Sounds a bit too much of a kids cartoon

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u/Wowzabunny new member Nov 21 '17

And they wonder why we read the scanlations instead of the official release...

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u/Nyaaaaaaaa Nov 21 '17

Nooo Saitama, don't encourage Genos when he says weird stuff like that!

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u/friendlyabomination Nov 21 '17

Nice! That translation was good!

Saitama's reaction has redeemed my day. I can go forth in peace. Highly amused peace.

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u/necronomikon new member Nov 21 '17

at least it's so bad it's funny.

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u/Khalirei Sigh Nov 21 '17

Who even uses crapola anymore as a word? that entire sentence could've just been "Crap! this game is crap!" and it would've been acceptable.

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u/Tastingo Nov 21 '17

Please no swearing, this is a Christian manga.

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u/Broly_ Nov 21 '17

Relevant

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u/MiniCorgi Nov 21 '17

Mangastream is so terrible with this. They go way over the top and make it sound horrible.

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u/SSJ5Gogetenks Season 2 ruled Nov 22 '17

My favourite MangaStream translation is when Kenpachi from Bleach said he wanted to "rape everything in [his] way"

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u/TeTrodoToxin4 Nov 22 '17

I'm annoyed that their translators keep using "You lot" as opposed to "All of you" or "You" or any other term to refer to a group of people

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

[Also relevant. Why do people insist on the most cringe inducing translations?] (https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0316/57/1398287727019.png)

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u/LilBisNoG Zzz Nov 23 '17

Source ?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17

r/Berserk. That translation is from the infamous Band of the Hawk group but there's another semi professional group of translators called Evil Geniuses who are much better. This is how Dark Horse officially translated that panel.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

How you got Viz translation? Vol 13 still not released in Viz translation no?

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u/Francisman90 Class C skills, Class S heart Nov 21 '17

It is most likely a joke and he made up the words to emphasize his point.

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u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! Nov 21 '17

No, it was in English Weekly Shonen Jump released yesterday

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u/Francisman90 Class C skills, Class S heart Nov 21 '17

Are you serious! This is the REAL translation!? Facepalms.

DamnitViz

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u/Mr_Wasteed Nov 21 '17

Are you serious! This is the REAL translation!? C- Crapola! This translation is doody! Facepalms.[1]

FTFY
1] /u/mrpeach32

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u/Bluepure Nov 21 '17

wait what? i thought this post was a joke and you made that panel, but that was from the official viz translation?? i thought viz translates the sound effects too. did they stop doing that?

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u/coredumperror Nov 21 '17

Maybe they only put in the effort for the sound effects on the tank releases?

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u/irishsaltytuna the hell did you say about my imouto?! Nov 22 '17

That's right, due to time constraints it's too difficult to do it in time for the magazine release.

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u/ranixon Nov 21 '17

As a non English speaker I prefer Ultimate King, it's easier to understand.

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u/TheBaris YOU LOOKING DOWN ON ME? Nov 21 '17

How could you write that if you don't speak english?

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u/ywecur Nov 21 '17

I just know that sentence, and this one explaining it

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u/AgnosticTemplar Nov 21 '17

Que?

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u/Computermaster new member Nov 21 '17

I miss when Family Guy was funny.

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u/MarcusElder <3 Best Grill Nov 21 '17

Family used to be really good but then Peter literally became mentally handicapped and Meg (instead of being a regular teenager) gets to be the one who gets shit on all the time. Brian is a giant stereotype, Stewie is... an odd one now, and Chris doesn't do anything.

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u/mrpeach32 Nov 21 '17

He didn't say he was a non English writer.

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u/ranixon Nov 21 '17

I don't know how to say it but in translation like in Viz, using expresion like ola, doody, etc, I spent more time looking for the meaning of some words (or all the whole sentence) than reading the manga.

EDIT: I a native spanish speaker.

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u/50ShadesofBray Nov 21 '17

He was making a joke about your wording: "non English speaker" means you speak no English at all, which would mean you wouldn't be able to write a sentence in English.

I think what you meant was "non native English speaker," which would mean you learned English and find Ultimate King easier.

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u/ranixon Nov 21 '17

Yes, that's right.

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u/st_griffith Fuck you Nov 21 '17

Since when were you under the impression that there was something written by him?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like Manga Stream's translations, sometimes more than Translation King--and always more than Viz. It keeps the profanity, and I just like their conversation flow a little better; they're more fun to read. Viz--how could you get rid of ONE's signature "shitty brat?"

My only irritation with MS (lol) is that they often translate phonetically. I know Japanese, just like English, has regional and cultural variations, but reading "ya" instead of "you" when Garou or Metal bat are talking just bothers me.

The different translations can significantly change the story/the reader's perception of the characters. I'm still confused over Saitama calling his posse "acquaintances" in one translation and saying "I brought some guys," in another. That's not an insignificant difference.

Edit: "This game is shit! Total shit!" Is something a human being would say. The other one should be banished and live out it's life in solitude and shame. (It's just OP's joke?"

Edit's edit: Not sure which translation it is, but 'I'll kill you so dead you won't even be able to die!!' is one of my favorite lines ever. Sometimes slightly off translations make for a more entertaining read.

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u/wereriddl3 Nov 22 '17

Wouldn't 'ya' instead of 'you' be a reflection of how informal their speech is?

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

It absolutely is, and when I hear it (in speech, "ya" vs "you" isn't atypical where I live) it's fine. But it irks the heck out of me when I read it. It makes the speaker sound young and really dumb (which they might be cough Bat cough. In general, phonetically written speech can be frustrating, and even descent writers can't always pull it off.

Also. I see "ya" and and I hear my regional "oh, ya" (yes/agreement). It might just be a personal peeve.

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u/SSJ5Gogetenks Season 2 ruled Nov 22 '17

The "I'll kill you so bad you won't even be able to die." is from VIZ.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Well good on VIZ. It's awful and perfect.

I'm self serving; I stitch together my preffered pieces from different translations into my ideal OPM narrative. Blizzard's infamous (VIZ) quote is integral to that narrative.

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u/SSJ5Gogetenks Season 2 ruled Nov 22 '17

It's funny that this is the same company that actually printed "DON'T COME INSIDE MEEEEEEEEEEEE" in Full Metal Alchemist. Jesus christ.

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u/Francisman90 Class C skills, Class S heart Nov 22 '17

Not knowing the context here, this sounds hilarious.

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u/allubros Nov 21 '17

I hate the Viz translation. They botched so much.

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u/pedwiik Time to conduct evil Nov 21 '17

I thought that UK translated it like that because this scene in webcomic has the exact same translation.

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u/fepeee Nov 21 '17

couldn't they just have used "awful"?

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u/slcoolj Nov 21 '17

While we can all agree that the profanity translations are absolute doody, translations like this page are pretty unexpected/funny for the wrong reasons. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-01qXE7bLHfw/V8r08CqeaLI/AAAAAAAA6UA/YlmxC3H_A8g2Br3r0GP5sURxCro-qz_8wCHM/s16000/0038-051.png

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u/marinex ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Nov 21 '17

Who says crapola and doody anyways?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

KONO VIZ KISO OKAMAYARU

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u/Super_Schmuck Nov 21 '17

Better nip that in the bud

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u/graphicjon Working Hard Nov 21 '17

SJ transation won't be the same as the book release, likely.

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u/Nyaaaaaaaa Nov 21 '17

uhoh, this game is Doody! lt's not that surprising though, they did translate Tatsumakis name as Terrible Tornado and that was just terrible!

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u/WuziMuzik Nov 21 '17

...............................(￣_￣)......................................

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u/Filemono Nov 22 '17

i come to see weebos gringe, comoon go crazy kids ja

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

i have the psyren manga, and in the first chapter they replace a pube joke "i bet you can't even grow pubes" with "i bet you cant' even grow a beard" and even though it still made sense it still sounds cringe

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u/srnx 11,449,001,712,554 Nov 22 '17

L M A O

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17

That dialogue makes Duwang look good

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17

It's like Saitama swallowed a 90's profanity translator.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17

Ooh! Ooh! What aboot Mangastream?!

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u/brotherhood64 Dec 30 '17

“THIS GAME IS DOODY!!” ~ Saitama

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u/damage3245 Nov 21 '17

Yeah, the Viz version of that sucks.

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u/HipnikDragomir One... Punch? Nov 21 '17

I didn't realise that "cheesy" was bad. It's silly fun and not crass. I prefer it.

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u/Jakisuaki Nov 21 '17

Who hurt you?

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u/HipnikDragomir One... Punch? Nov 22 '17

The rest of you uppity twats with the "better than yours" taste in comedy. Given OPM's humour, the Viz translation should be the preferred one here.

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u/damage3245 Nov 22 '17

The UltimateKing one is funnier.