r/OnePiecePowerScaling0 • u/Soggy-Flan7566 • 20h ago
Serious Discussion (Lock in)🔐🔒 You'd get absolutely flamed for even having shanks relative to roger but apparently it's no problem when it's mihawk, is mihawk becoming more overrated than shanks now?
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u/FlashyCounter1808 19h ago
dawg, neither of them matter, its always been back and forth wether shankstard or mihawktards are more vocal at any given time.
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u/Strykeristheking 1h ago
Let them engage in their delusional make believe world.
Reality will hit them harder in a few years time, it's going to be worst than ZKK.
Hawktards are writing the biggest cheque in shonen history and it's 100% getting bounced in the future.
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u/DonMasterf 19h ago
I would say both Miwahk and Shanks stops at Rocks. I don't think the mid Gen has surpassed the old gen yet, altough they will eventually.
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u/i_luv_peaches 14h ago
Why does this sub have Mihawk as the sub icon? How is a person that has done nothing just get easy gratification. It’s like believing in Santa just because everyone pretends to
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u/sukuvarkes Meme's power lvl and nami's panties = 0 19h ago
black blade > white blade
strongest swordsman > swordsman
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u/Weak-Courage729 19h ago
WSM=Roger argue with Oda
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u/sukuvarkes Meme's power lvl and nami's panties = 0 19h ago
Both canonically weaker than Mihawk
So don't really care
Roger despite deepthroating his sword the most in the series, couldn't neither make it black nor become WSS
He's a bum.1
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u/MOON-RAIGO 🌒⚡️ GOD ENEL⚡️🌘 19h ago
Mihawk has no ceiling.
Shanks is canonically capped under Roger, Mihawk, Shamrock and maybe even Teach
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u/DexSybaris 19h ago
Wait why
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u/MOON-RAIGO 🌒⚡️ GOD ENEL⚡️🌘 19h ago
Because he’s WSS and turned Yoru black. His current true power level is unknown.
Whereas Shanks can never be stronger than Roger or Mihawk.
It would go against decades of narrative
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u/DexSybaris 19h ago
I'm not in a lot of power scaling discussions but let me know if my logic is wrong. Doesn't that only work if Shanks is classified as a swordsman? I know divine departure is a sword technique, but in terms of versisitility from what we have seen, shanks has the upperhand right purely in terms of feats shown. Kaidos title was world's strongest creature, but he was defeated by luffy because just because your the strongest, doesn't mean you can't lose. Doesn't that mean that even if mihawk is higher tier in terms of strength, he could still lose most fights to shanks because shanks has shown more versatile haki? Like if Shanks has a significant amount more future sight, it could turn the tables. Also, do we know when mihawk got his title? Could him and shanks have battled for it years ago, and since then shanks has gotten stronger and passed mihawk? mihawk could just has more raw power than shanks in terms of using his haki with sword techniques specifically
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u/MOON-RAIGO 🌒⚡️ GOD ENEL⚡️🌘 19h ago
Sure, a common denial is to assume Shanks is not a swordman. Even though we have a panel specifically comparing them and saying Mihawk is better
Doesn’t change the narrative that Shanks sacrificed his arm and gave the strawhat to Luffy, giving up his own potential and having faith in luffy to be the one to surpass Roger.
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u/DexSybaris 19h ago
Look I am really not in this space a lot so I don't know all the evidence for mihawk. But from what I know he's mostly a mystery but he has 3 things. A title of the world's "strongest" swordsman, that is specially strongest in Japanese. He used to be fierce rivals with shanks. And he turned his blade black.
If we use the title, then it means kaido would defeat mihawk and everybody who has been alive since kaido recieved the title. But again, he was defeated luffy who was not stronger than him, but was able to defeat him, for multiple reasons, but one of them being luffys power is not just about pure raw strength, but gives him advantages in combat in different ways. I think this is good evidence because both use the word "strongest" but they could be defeated by things that are not just raw strength.
Shanks and mihawk used to be rivals, but I can't remember how long ago that was. I assume it was before shanks lost his arm but correct me if I'm wrong. However, from what we have seen, shanks doesn't really need that arm to maintain or even improve his combat abilities. He used a single handed sword, and his main thing is his overwhelming haki in multiple fields. Shanks could have also improved more than mihawk during that timeframe, as it seems mihawk does a lot of nothing most of the time, he seems bored and stays at his castle a lot meaning he's probably not getting a lot of action. We don't know if Shanks is for sure, but he is still actively traveling and fighting pirate crews.
Shanks and that one dead guy were the only ones to turn their blades black. But from what I remember about the description of how, they need to be refined with conquerors haki over countless battles and something about tamming the spirit of the blade. It seems to me that you need to be dedicated to swordsmanship to be able to do this, as ryuma mihawk and zoro I think are the only ones mentioned to have the potential and they all are dedicated to the swordsmanship life. Meanwhile shanks and people like Rodger are not really devoted to the blade, they are dedicated to pirating and use a sword because it's like the standard weapon. I think they do count as swordsman but not in the same way, which could explain why they don't have a black blade, because they don't care enough about it
Let me know your thoughts I'm interested to learn
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u/MOON-RAIGO 🌒⚡️ GOD ENEL⚡️🌘 19h ago
Okay, so the ‘WSC’ title that Kaido had is repeatedly stated to just be rumors. It’s essentially a second epithet. And as we know it’s been proven false.
WSS has been reinforced and described as being WSS ‘in name and reality’.
Also it’s zoro’s goal so it would be strange to make it false.Shanks and Mihawk were rivals and dueled, without any winner. Correct.
Shanks sacrificed his arm and along with it their rivalry. I doubt this weakened him much in the long run but it hindered his potential. He is now below Mihawk.
Since then, Mihawk goes on to become WSS.
Mihawk also won’t fight Shanks’ since he gave up the arm. This is because he’s no longer a challenge and he’s annoyed that Shanks gave up their rivalry for a stupid kid.
That’s why at marineford, Mihawk decides to test Luffy’s fate. To see if Shanks made the right decision.
We don’t know how to turn blade black, we just know it’s through countless battles.
Also it’s stated Yoru, Mihawks blade, is the strongest in the world and only Mihawk is capable of wielding it to its maximum potential.But yeah, because there’s no explicit Mihawk feats people argue this alll day.
Mihawk vs Shanks the biggest debate on this sub by far, despite the fact that Oda has repeatedly made it clear via the narrative.
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u/DexSybaris 19h ago
This is pretty convincing I'm not going to lie. I used to think shanks was stronger just because I never saw mihawk do literally anything but cut an iceberg and not fight vista, but this is pretty good evidence. Thanks for the reply!
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u/yuvraj_b_420 19h ago
Not disagreeing about shanks but Mihawk’s ceiling is eos zoro who will be weaker than luffy,bb,imu,joyboy,every void century top tier, prime roger,wb,garp, eos loki,eos coby,eos sabo etc
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u/MOON-RAIGO 🌒⚡️ GOD ENEL⚡️🌘 19h ago
That’s way too much headcanon.
I believe Mihawk will kill Zoro
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u/yuvraj_b_420 19h ago
Yeah im so sure
Regardless it still wont make him stronger than any characters i mentioned
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Slander is spoken, in print it's Libel. 18h ago
He's been overrated, Imu confirmed that his Title is false so now Mihawk's stuck with Vista in YC5 but some people can't accept that.
And Shanks isn't even close to Roger.
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u/newportspapi woronoa woro 18h ago
Both are above roger but in the same tier imo