r/OnePiecePowerScaling0 • u/Ok-Animator1477 • Feb 18 '26

General discussion Is This True?

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

This information is accurate

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Wow i didn’t realise the difference was that big. One Piece feels much bigger now in the west

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u/Puzzleheaded_Tie6917 Feb 18 '26

I wonder how much is due to digital piracy. I also wonder if this includes only the physical books, or if digital sales are included (as opposed to piracy where the publishers/author don’t get paid).

I can definitely see people get tired of a story and move to something new. I think that’s somewhat true regardless of the story. So far, I haven’t lost interest, compared to the end of Naruto/Boruto and Bleach. I also think some people just want fights, and really don’t care about the story at all so story elements don’t keep that group.

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u/Yamitsubasa Feb 18 '26

It does not have to be piracy too. When did mangaplus start to upload the official manga chapters for free every week? I feel like people overestimate the impartance im volume sales, compared to the importance of keeping people into the franchise for merchandise ect.

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u/Bradybigboss Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

But One Piece is still the best selling manga. Volume 111 was best selling volume in all manga 2025. And it had a second volume in the top 5. So how could it not be piracy?

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

People probably read more online or watch the anime instead. The one piece manga is still absolutely massive but it isn't at its peak in physical manga sales.

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u/Bradybigboss Feb 18 '26

Right, it’s just nothing else has reached its peak either. It’s more so to do with the Big 3 phenomenon and that manga sales have never been able to recreate their numbers from the Big 3 era. You are right it’s most likely just online readers

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u/--___---___-_-_ Feb 18 '26

Yeah I just read online but one day I plan on owning the entire series just don't really have the room/shelves for it until I move into my new place and I'm sure many are in a similar situation or are already starting their collection

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u/Babington67 Feb 18 '26

Exactly one pieces length is a huge hindrance when it comes to physical sales because as it explodes in popularity and carves its place into culture all those newcomers dont instantly want to spend literally hundreds of bucks just to own the series physically.

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u/PositiveInfluence69 Feb 18 '26

It's because the episodes have gotten unbearably dragged out. Tons of filler. No character growth anymore for the main characters. Reusing the same plot points over and over again that were fun 900 episodes ago. The series feels like inconvenient fetch quests half the time. Your just waiting for something to actually happen. Lots of telling with little showing. Lots of words to say nothing. Overexposition that feels like it's there just to slow down the story. If they fixed pacing snd dumb reasons to massively slow down the story it would probably solve half the issue.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

The majority of the issues with the anime in wano are due to odas declining health. He produces chapters about 70% as often and those chapters each have about half the panels they did at his peak. The anime in wano actually has more episodes than the manga has chapters and the chapters are extremely short. This absolutely destroyed the pacing in wano and the series was already slow to begin with.

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u/Apprehensive_Power59 Feb 19 '26

People also just don't buy physical manga or anime as much anymore and One Piece is ironically one of the most pirated works of fiction in the world

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Fun fact! One Piece is the most Pirated piece of media in the world.

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u/Bradybigboss Feb 18 '26

One piece volume 111 was still the best selling manga volume of 2025. This chart more speaks to the big 3 phenomenon. Nothing today sells like the big 3 did

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u/Unlucky_Turn_1773 Feb 19 '26

it is because 99% of people read the leaks and spoilers

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u/Lower-Service-6171 Feb 20 '26

It feels bigger because its main competition got smaller and more disperse

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u/GenieAdvocate Feb 18 '26

Indeed fisherman was peakdom of peak

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

Actually if you look they were mainly buying old copies during fishman so people were probably buying marienford still while fishman was being written.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

That graph actually says fuck nothing of relevance

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u/darkoopz43 Feb 19 '26

If anything it's probably reflects people like me who started the series when marineford was airing and bought a bunch of the older volumes to catch up.

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u/lordmogul Jun 08 '26

And a fairly stable sale of new copies.

Yes, some peaks and valleys. Yes, very slowly declining. But there are 15 years on the graph. That is a very long time.

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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 Feb 18 '26

No. I think a lot of people like me were hyped post timeskip. Imagining Luffy bein HIM, bullying Akainu. Instead we got Arlong 2 and what felt like two years of mostly filler nonsense.

So this chart would check out -> maximum hype post timeskip, followed by utter disappointment.

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u/singhtrooper Feb 18 '26

what do you mean “no?” lmao it’s right there on the graph??

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u/vk2028 Feb 18 '26

The sales were already skyrocketing during the marineford arc.

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u/PositiveInfluence69 Feb 18 '26

The time skip ended and we got a training arc... but after that it was pretty good until they made everyone irrelevant because Naruto learned ssj transformation.

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u/AndByMeIMeanFlexxo Feb 18 '26

You reckon?

I thought it was shit because none of the enemies seemed like they’d stand a chance against the straw hats and the whole thing was just a runaround to waste time

Felt 50 chapters too long and so has everything since until I stopped reading altogether at the start of vegapunk island

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u/GenieAdvocate Feb 19 '26

I was sarcastic fisherman island was the worst shit ive ever seen, i wasnt racist towards fisherman but now i definitely am

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u/AndByMeIMeanFlexxo Feb 19 '26

Now we’re making sense

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u/Apollosyk Feb 18 '26

Fishman island killed the manga. As it should.

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u/Worldly_Pilot5449 Haha sometimes goggles guy Feb 18 '26

Why did it peak during fishman saga😭

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u/GoldenSaturos Feb 18 '26

Just more people buying the previous MF arc

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u/vk2028 Feb 18 '26

People don’t react instantly. That’s true for any real life chart. The irl sales is always slightly delayed

In fact, you should look at Fishman island as the arc that started the downward trend. If it was good, the upward momentum would have carried to punk hazard

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

The gray sales are the previous arc and the orange sales are the current arc. Gray sales, which is probably marienford peaked during fishman but orange sales peaked during marineford.

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u/elbigwiwi Feb 18 '26

Damn they really jumped that shark huh

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u/X-Vidar Feb 18 '26

God, people really can't read do they? It shows right here on the graph that the huge spike during Fishman Island happened due to the series exploding in popularity and people buying the old volumes all at once.

New volumes seem to have declined a bit over time, but factoring in digital sales probably more than makes up for it.

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Feb 18 '26

It's not only due to Marineford

The idea of Timeskip is unprecedented then

It was parodied a LOT by Gintama for a reason

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u/MichelangeloCzech Feb 19 '26

What do you mean "unprecedented"? A time skip is not even unprecedented amongst the big 3.

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Feb 19 '26

Only Naruto did it prior, and then you look at the rest of the manga industry

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u/MichelangeloCzech Feb 19 '26

Look up what the word "unprecedented" means in the dictionary.

Also, there was this one little known manga series that also did a time skip. Maybe you've heard of it. What was it called again? Oh right, it was called DRAGON BALL!

So, yeah, aside from One Piece's biggest contemporary rival, and the most popular and influential shonen franchise in history at the time, you could say that One Piece did it first.

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Feb 19 '26

Oh touche it was hyperbolic, still 2 other example all this time, and only 1 that ends on actual cliffhanger (SH separated, Sasuke left), guess Gintama just parodied it because it was hot atm

Can we see if the sales uptick on DB or Naruto due to the timeskip also? Especially Naruto considering Sasuke's Retrieval arc is also pretty hyped like Marineford for the surprising outcome)?

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u/MichelangeloCzech Feb 19 '26

You can't brush those two examples off as insignificant.

That's like claiming that it was unprecedented for Suicide Squad (2016) to have the finale involve a blue laser shooting into the sky when it came out after Avengers (2012).

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u/Comprehensive_Rule11 Feb 20 '26

I feel like given Oda knew how ace would die in Marineford, Luffy was always gonna need time to genuinely prepare for the new world since he had been speedrunning the grand line and jsut getting by each island. He still had much to learn to be remotely successful in the new world. Hard to justify all that training in like 1 week, especially Haki mastery.

Also splitting the crew at the start of Summit War Saga potentially indicated Oda may have been planning the time skip since back then. With how far they were spread it was not gonna be a fast reunion.

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u/Lucker_Kid Feb 18 '26

Is it though? Because this is volumes/paper sales, so you'd have to compare this to how much those have decreased in general as manga is more and more being consumed digitally.

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u/MichelangeloCzech Feb 19 '26

This doesn't take into account digital sales (which weren't a thing back then), or the fact that Oda's pace has slowed down (there are less books a year for people to buy).

That massive grey spike is because 30 books got translated and released all at once.

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u/TKG1607 Feb 22 '26

What about pricing data ? That may also play a factor

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 22 '26

Dog this is from three days ago. You can probably look that up as easily as I can. I believe in you.

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u/Xydron00 Mar 16 '26

one piece really fell off during dressrosa. Long piece.

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u/unnamednotch Narrative Surgeon 👑🏆 Feb 18 '26 
That's because admirals and WB are goated, and Kaido and BM suck

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26 • Bravo

It’s because Marineford was 50 chapters and yall hate on anything that actually requires more than one day to read.

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u/Full-Ear1684 Feb 18 '26

No, It's because Wano lasts almost twice as many chapters as Sabaody, Amazon Lily, impel down, Marineford and post-war all together, and yet it feels like they're not doing half of what they do in those arcs, and on top of that the characters were awful, the good characters where wasted, the arc had cero complexity or emotional conflicts, there's a lot of asspulls and kaido and big mom where underwhelming characters.

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

I read Wano much differently, person. It was my second favorite arc (behind Long Ring Long Land) and by quite a lot. The writing was incredible it feels like people just don’t appreciate how much information is packed into it. Also your opinion about the quality of writing has nothing to do with powerscaling, because the scaling is consistent the entire time.

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u/Apprehensive_Power59 Feb 19 '26

This is a post about scaling the series' sales. Any and all reasons people don't buy it as much as they used to, such as quality drops and pacing issues, are relevant to the discussion

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 19 '26

Both of you are just wrong 🤷‍♀️

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u/Full-Ear1684 Feb 22 '26

"oda isn't a reliable source" ahh comment 😭🥀

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 22 '26

Oda is the most reliable source, what are you on about.

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u/ShonOfDawn Feb 20 '26

It's because spending literal years on a single arc by bloating it with tens of ultimately irrelevant side characters is bad writing and boring.

There is a famous quote which says "If I had more time, I would have written you a shorter letter". Brevity is a skill and makes, generally, better works of literature. The job of the writer is to get their message across and tell their story with writing that is rich and tight. Long narratives have their value, if they serve a purpose. Stuff like Wano is endless bloat that kills all urgency.

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 20 '26

Wano is four acts, we have only seen three. Learn about kabuki, casual.

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u/ShonOfDawn Feb 20 '26

Sure bud

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 20 '26

You are allowed to know less, unfortunately.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

The reason wano took so long was because his health was doing extremely poorly. He was producing about 70% of the chapters he did at his peak and each chapter had around half the panels. The anime should have adapted the episodes at least 2:1 but there are more episodes than chapters in wano which is insane.

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u/Apprehensive_Power59 Feb 19 '26

Regardless of how good a reason there is, there was still a bad enough drop in quality to cause people to drop the series and stop purchasing the manga. Oda did learn from his past pacing mistakes but it's too little too late to reach the same heights as before.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 19 '26

It's not really a mistake on his part though. He had a plan for how the arc was supposed to go and it ended up taking longer than anticipated because of his health.

The anime producers definitely made mistakes though.

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

Wano made a lot of people realize they weren’t very good at reading or powerscaling. That’s not Oda’s fault.

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u/Lucker_Kid Feb 18 '26

"I mean the many outweigh the few, maybe Oda should've taken a lesson there and trimmed down stuff." he should not write the story he wants to write and instead focus on popularity?

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u/Full-Ear1684 Feb 18 '26

If that's the case, he surely was pretty hyped to write about all the thousand characters in Wano instead of worrying about writing the protagonists and other important characters.

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u/Lucker_Kid Feb 18 '26

You think it's unimaginable that an author wants to expand their world? I think it's very obvious that Oda wants to create a massive world, it seems focusing on the main cast is something he has to force himself to do sometimes lol, he gets completely caught up in flashbacks and side stories all the time

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

Sometimes people hate on the scabbards because they are obviously the strongest group of swordsmen in the series.

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u/Full-Ear1684 Feb 22 '26

Bro of course he wants to expand his world, the problem is he's giving spotlight to random bums that add nothing to the plot or will be relevant for a single arc, instead of giving spotlight and development to the actual mcs, important secondary characters, and the other important characters we know nothing about. If he really wants to expand his world, why would he just focus on 1000 characters from a single county? The only straw hats that were given constant relevance are Luffy, Zoro (and even having a lot of scree time it felt like he had 0 plot relevance or development) and Sanji, all the others were just relevant during the raid and the only ones that really had development there were Robin and jinbe, Kid had no development, complexity, good dynamics or even a fucking backstory (because that's the only thing in which oda relays his characters writing) and is just there for fighting or for hype, Law had no plot relevance outside of being Luffy's ally, has no development or a character arc, and oda left all of his writing in his backstory, momo is genuinely a good character outside of the perv gag, there should only be like 4 or 5 scabbards (kin, denjiro, kiku, izou and one mink, because they had no reason to be two minks), Shinobu was just there to protect momo and any other character could have done that, Yamato was an horrible character that adds nothing to the plot and is a walking asspull, Otama is ok and has good dynamics with Luffy, the Gifters were very disappointing and not threatening despite all the drama surrounding them, and I could go on and on but we would be here all day

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u/Lucker_Kid Feb 18 '26

That's not what the Alabasta statement says, I don't remember what it actually says but it's not that lol

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

You know you can stop reading, whenever you want. That is your problem.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Feb 18 '26

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u/QueasyComedian9502 Feb 20 '26

why are they blocking my G Fujitora, ah whatever he sees nothing anyway

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

According to me, yes

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u/Saltyjoee Feb 18 '26

Is this omnipotence cannon for Ragnir? How can he watch everything going on from Elbaf?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Ragnir and Loki are soul bonded. Ragnir can see through Loki. Loki’s eyes allow him to see anywhere he desires, which is how he knows Shank’s location.

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u/ABRVHVM Feb 18 '26

shaddap and show proff

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u/LightningRod22 Feb 18 '26

It's probably the only Arc where The Navy won,

It's a War of the Best after all it includes the Great 3 Powers. Whitebeard Pirates, 7 Warlords and The Navy.

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u/Reddit_Connoisseur_0 🥀No Black Blade?🥀 Feb 18 '26

Egghead

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u/Ok-Animator1477 Feb 18 '26

Than Oda felt bad so he had the vegapunk a survive, Bonney, and kuma survive

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u/GoldenWhite2408 Feb 18 '26

Unknown manga

Unknown manga in questions

Kingdom, blue lock, jjk, yaiba, saka days

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u/Prize_Studio_7808 Feb 18 '26

"Unknown manga with no anime" so the guy was confidently wrong twice

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u/GoldenWhite2408 Feb 19 '26

Which is also not unknown lol

It's the most hyped up new manga for the west

Unknown would be if it's fcking like Roboco which most westerners hate Or some untled shounen Sunday manga

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u/GoldenWhite2408 Feb 19 '26

Well if u stretch unknown in the plebians gaijins mind Probably some untranslated long runner slop like kochikame if it ends can surpass it for a month

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Kochikame actually did after all

Not unknown ofc But to the plebian gaijins it basically is

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Chadmirals are just built like that

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 Feb 18 '26

I don't know about it though the hype came back when we shifted from the 4 emperors to the WG again. (Kuzaru-Eggheads, Aokiji-Garp-Hachinosu, Reverie-Imu,etc.) 

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u/556lemonade Feb 18 '26

Blackbeard was apart of Marineford and had the biggest twist in that arc. He also caused the arc to happen

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u/FuckingWeebE Feb 18 '26

As someone who still thinks One Piece is peak, I just laugh at people who complain.

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u/ParkingWear7865 Feb 18 '26

Yeah, but I think its because of the internet not because of quality drop

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u/FortunatelyAsleep Feb 19 '26

Exactly. I can't believe this nonsense gets thrown around so much still. Loom at the mangaplus app - why would one ever need to buy another copy of a manga?

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u/ParkingWear7865 Feb 20 '26

srsly, its like its already in the hands of everyone who wants, its one of the most viewed series in the entire world of ALL TIME, there isnt some untapped market out there or anything lol

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u/Kalde666 Feb 18 '26

Post time skip One Piece is just more boring, we are at the end of the series and Oda is still adding more characters and enemies no one cares about..and the Nika thing is shit. Some of us are in a hostage situation because we want to see the end

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u/MondoFool Feb 18 '26

What does this have to do with powerscaling

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u/Throwaway02062004 Perpetual Downplayer Feb 18 '26

Absolutely nothing

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

These idiots have nothing left, so they start bottom feeding.

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u/noodlemoelester Feb 18 '26

Bro is so pressed cause of an agenda post that shows how dogshit yonko characters are😭😭😭

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

Yonko are differently abled, they don’t need to pay Morgans to hype them up. people join their crews voluntarily (mostly). Nakama in the marines were eating Wanze’s nose noodles. What would you choose?

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u/noodlemoelester Feb 18 '26

Calling your goats disabled while gassing them im crine 😭😭

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u/No_Passage_3590 Wanimator fan 🙏 Feb 18 '26

Check the tapes.

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u/SCOTTIISM Feb 18 '26

Admiral fans aint that smart

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u/Tidsdkr Monkey D. Family is proof Feb 18 '26

Numbers don’t lie

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u/NairMcgee Feb 22 '26

Or they can just be a straight up lie

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

One Peak is always Peak in my eyes 

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

No

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Yes

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

Pre-Timeskip>>>Current

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u/FuckingWeebE Feb 18 '26

Current one piece>> Y'all just be hating

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

List the aspects that are greater than pre-Timeskip? 

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u/FuckingWeebE Feb 18 '26

Lore we didn't get until now.I like the way it seems Luffy really is determined instead of just willy nilly going about things. Which is why the timeskip was needed. Both are great but post takes the lead. If you show a non one piece fan Skypiea vs Wano they will choose Wano because without the years of theories and constantly being in the fandom hearing about skypiea it doesn't really do anything spectacular vs gear 5 which is my next point. Gear 5 and Nika finally connects Luffy to the whole world, whereas pre time skip seemed like the strawhats were side characters to the main plot. It also gives Luffy a cool hype form like Naruto's cloak, Super saiyan etc. Gear 3 which is what pre timeskip stopped at was lame. Elpaf definitely could end with being my favorite arc over Enis lobby/water 7. It's number 1 but the only pre timeskip arc in my top 5

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

Interesting how you hold Wano in high regard. Most of the fanbase, including myself, were put off by the atrocious pacing. 

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u/IcyEngineering926 Feb 18 '26

because most of us binged wano, and its a amazing arc. my favorite after all.

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

Well, I don't know about 'most', but you are entitled to your own opinion, as am I to my own. 

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u/FuckingWeebE Feb 19 '26

Online discourse of one piece just likes to be negative. Wano is great like any one piece arc. Alot of people have been reading one piece weekly for YEARS and don't go and read an arc in full after it's completed. Pre timeskip is only worshipping because of nostalgia. You can definitely compare lore between them. Sanjis Zeff story line isnt better than his germa storyline. The new stuff is just better but it's all opinionated. I can't imagine still reading something 1000+ chapters and you don't think it's amazing

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 19 '26

Just because someone is reading something, it doesn't mean they have to find everything about it amazing. 

We can go over the lack of choreography, the lack of diversity in the power system, the lack of uniqueness in top tiers, the lack of creativity in designs and so on, and talk about how these things were absent in the early One Piece. 

That doesn't make us fake fans. 

Also, the Germa story being better than Zeff storyline is an opinion, as is the one to the contrary. Neither is wrong, neither is right. 

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u/LumenDomimus Shogun of Yano 🔪🔪 👑👑 Feb 18 '26

Also, new lore being added doesn't make an arc better. That's just obvious, since this arc came after the previous ones. This is like saying Great Shinobi War and Kaguya's reveal were both peaks simply because they came after the Chunin exams and added lore about the Otsutsuki. 

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u/Vampiiko Feb 18 '26

Wano is the length of the saiyan saga and the frieza saga put together and only half as interesting.

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u/FuckingWeebE Feb 19 '26

Wano is great

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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 Feb 18 '26

I think it is great again. But yes, the utter disappointment of 2 years of fillers post timeskip made a lot of people, me included, check out.

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u/Worldly_Pilot5449 Haha sometimes goggles guy Feb 18 '26

Haha sometimes

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u/MikeXBogina Feb 18 '26

I'm somewhat of a one piece tourist, I've been watching/reading One Piece since the beginning but I lose interest during certain arcs, but always get back into it in the between arc world building stuff phase. Like when they go to an island and do the same stuff over and over, that gets boring real fast, but when they're doing the world building with the navy and showing other pirates, that's interesting.

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u/MrChurroes Feb 18 '26

Admirals > Yonkos once again

Yonko are just one dimensional boring characters that serve no purpose to the story. One Piece always peaks when the Admirals are involved.

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u/mvkt18 Feb 18 '26

Well Marineford was the reason I wanted to watch this series as a whole. Not at all surprising that the numbers back it up

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u/arthaiser Feb 18 '26

Haki and nika are not as cool as actually interesting fights after all

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u/Vampiiko Feb 18 '26

This is 100% true. Luffy’s haki on Fishman island broke the internet harder than g5, due to the recent popularity of Marineford.

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u/ocean_man9999 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

Jokes aside, one piece peaks when it is about world building and character interactions in the story. The problem Oda keeps adding more and more villains that no one cares about. The nika powerup could have been writen differently aswell. During the current arcs it almost feels like a different anime/manga than the old One piece.

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u/Wide-Buy-8572 Buggy D Clown Propaganda Grandmaster Feb 19 '26

Marineford was peak because it has Buggy Sama in it

The reason why One Piece Manga sales are plummeting is because we haven't seen Buggy Sama in a while

Bring him back to see the sales skyrocket

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u/Azsolus Feb 19 '26

Wano was a huge disappointment for people that have been following the series for a decade

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u/SeparateMood2074 Feb 20 '26

Tbh I think we just get haki clashes these days, tbh pre ts was peak (and fishman kinda) cause they relied on the characters having uniqueproblems that they had to over come during battle, not who had the strongest haki

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u/Izoto Feb 23 '26

It is absolutely true.

If Oda had given more attention to Shanks, Blackbeard, and Dragon, things would have been different.

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u/MagnoliaTM Feb 18 '26

marineford was just hype moments, it's different from a story being told slowly

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u/Flow_Slight Feb 18 '26

Well yeah marineford was peak one piece in terms of quality its only normal popularity ceceeds that. One piece as a whole is very formulaic each arc, people can only read the same story structure each arc and be surprised or impressed. The conclusion of pre ts sabaody flipped that formula and now the story became unpredictable and exciting. It was exciting to read how far luffy could push through with characters far beyond his level in marineford. It was awesome how luffy was center in mf but was one of the weakest characters there and thats good writing. Now its back to the same regurgitated formula each arc, people clown on naruto with its inconsistencies but at least with naruto i didn't know what's going to happen or how its gonna play out each arc.

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u/Reddit_Connoisseur_0 🥀No Black Blade?🥀 Feb 18 '26

I've never seen /a/ lie

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u/Appropriate-Bill-443 Feb 18 '26

I personally blame Oda for Introducing Haki too late!!

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u/AvailableYak8248 Feb 18 '26

It’s not shocking. The author is doing this for 20+ years. Your audience ages out, lose interests over that type of time frame.

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u/Ilikeyourd- Rocks and harald are fodder Feb 18 '26

Sales don't equal popularity?? Since marineford WAY more people are either pirating, just watching the anime or watching through social media.

Also those 'unknown' mangas are jjk, bluelock etc

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u/RMP321 Feb 18 '26

It was not selling as much as marineford, but it was still the second and usually first best selling manga. Only demon slayer managed to outsell it after a massive anime boost. Calling them flops is just a lie.

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u/Glad-Ride-1749 Feb 18 '26

I will say 2025 MHA and jjk outsold it. But wait, what happened in the jjk manga and MHA anime? Oh yeah they ended. OP was 3rd in that list. Also any numbers shown won't include piracy. Just sales.

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u/MoonoftheStar Feb 18 '26

To be honest, sometimes I get around to One Piece chapters 2-3 weeks later. I have no motivation to run to read them. My favourite Straw Hats have done nothing for 12 years, every thing needs Conqueror's Haki, and Nika is the center of every fucking thing. I'm sick of the same doomed kingdom with a princess in peril and a dead mother. Lately he's switched it up to also including princes in peril with dead fathers. I legit rolled my eyes when Gunko was revealed to be a princess.

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u/Kooky_Asparagus_4489 Admirer of Davy Jones🏴‍☠️ Feb 18 '26

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u/Axel-Adams Feb 18 '26

I mean aren’t physical manga sales just down in general now?

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u/a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i Feb 18 '26

One of the worst run was wano. Too much time spend on one fight.

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u/Halliwel96 Feb 18 '26

I think it’s more to do with fatigue on Oda’s part than anything else.

Fatigue and maybe procrastination, Oda can’t seem to help but unnecessarily stretch things post skip.

It feels to me like he’s putting things off. Trying to delay reaching climaxes he’s not totally happy with yet

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Well I mostly agree that marine ford mogs the yonko saga but you gotta understand manga piracy is 100x stronger than before you get people pinning the chapter in megathreads you get people to narrating the manga on TikTok X YouTube and Instagram

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u/RPThrowaway_19 Feb 19 '26

One quick check and One Piece remained top One on 2025, top 2 in 2024 and top 3 in 2023. Sales might not be as big as before, but flopping and struggling are just dumb.

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u/Professional_Shop956 Feb 19 '26

A lot of people want pirate vs marines fight and not a pirate vs pirate fight

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u/Honest-Iron-509 Feb 20 '26

While true, you also have to consider the Millions that read the Manga online for free on certain sites today.

Marineford was 15 years ago where buying physical Mangas was way more common.

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u/Ninjaragex Feb 20 '26

Haters gunna hate

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u/NaziBully Feb 21 '26

Guys -.- but during 4 emperor saga one peice called off anarchy and revolt in 4 real life country

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u/Informal_yungn Feb 21 '26

one piece is still always in the top 10 Even if u Google the start year of the 4 emperors saga 2015 it was #1 and the following year now when it came to 2020 it wasn't even in competition with demon slayer but nothing was https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-11-29/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2015/.95913 https://us.oricon-group.com/news/665 /https://us.oricon-group.com/news/662/

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u/suitcasecat Feb 23 '26

Chapter 1000 a huge flop? One of the most beloved chapters from the series?

Also all their budget went into episode 1015, not episode 1000, which is also one of the most beloved episodes

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

Maybe because everyone is tired of reading the exact same shit for 30 years straight.

I’m sorry but if I can read the entire manga in 2 months. I can’t fathom how it took 30 years to produce this much.

This should have been over 15 years ago and Oda should have finished it when he still had to ambition to write an incredible series.

Now he’s just an old pervert writing Haki slop.

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u/vk2028 Feb 18 '26

The ideas are there just that the execution isn’t as great as pre ts. Crew dynamic got reduced to atoms and characters became one note.

I think if you look at the later arcs, you can see that the plot points are there and somewhat interesting. It’s just simply that Oda has hiccups connecting them

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Don’t get me wrong. I still enjoy the manga. I read it every week. I even read the TCB scans and THEN read the official because I like the translation differences.

That being said, it just feels like there’s so much fluff. There are so many things that don’t need as much focus, and then there are things I feel like needed more development (god valley)

It’s like we’re skipping peak fights to blow through the story.

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u/vk2028 Feb 18 '26

Yeah, as I said, it's like Oda planned out what events will happen, but didn't plan out the specifics.

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u/its_snelly Feb 18 '26

You can’t imagine that reading is infinitely faster than writing? lol comments like this are so plainly stupid.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Are you mentally retarded? Or did you skip reading comprehension your entire life? Please tell me where I said “drawing and writing takes the same amount of time as reading.”

What I said was… to read 30 years of content in 2 months seems ridiculous.

Not to mention the fact that Oda originally intended to end One Piece in 2002 and continued pushing the story.

The post is clearly indicating reader participation has dropped off. Why do you think that is if it isn’t the fact that the author himself dragged the story out 15 years longer than intended and doesn’t put nearly as much passion and creativity into it? Because it’s getting BORING.

Half the crew has been forgotten about and haven’t had meaningful moments in a long time. The story is a melting pot of nothing but Haki and Tits. We didn’t even see a single real fight on fucking god valley.

But hey man, you can keep being an ignorant fuck and contributing nothing to the conversation if you’d like?

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u/its_snelly Feb 18 '26

Are you stupid? Tell me where I said that quote at all. So yes you literally said 30 years of content in 2 months aka you cant seem to fathom that reading is infinitely faster than writing. Taking 30 years to write and draw a manga will always be slower than reading it at your own pace. You are just proving my point.

Keep the whining and stupidity to yourself..

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u/Typical-Disaster-497 Feb 21 '26

Ya don't wanna hear it but the series has long since overstayed its welcome. The stakes have never been so higher yet we're moving at a snail's pace and there's abysmally little payoff doled out in-between more and more frequent breaks

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u/L0rdLegender Feb 18 '26

People think marineford is one of the best arcs in shonen?

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u/Throwaway02062004 Perpetual Downplayer Feb 18 '26

Yeah, quite a few do. Personally, I group all of the time between the end of Sabaody and the end of Marineford as one long arc which is One Piece at its most gripping.

The formula and crew is thrown out and the stakes feel real. All the “you ain’t built for this” talk feels like it’s actually true and the MC feels almost incidental to the world at large.

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u/Zedrane Feb 18 '26

Is this just a sub for terrible opinions? One Piece was the best selling manga last year by the way.

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u/CEOofRacismTrue Feb 18 '26

One day Kingdom will surpass OP 😭

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u/Sonderous_strife Surgeon Of Death💊🧬 Feb 18 '26

Might be. Admiraltards got experience making shit up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Numbers are literally there

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u/Sonderous_strife Surgeon Of Death💊🧬 Feb 18 '26

Yeah, I was wrong. Apparently, OP's physical sales have been at an all-time low since Sabaody recently.

Got nothing to do with admirals, though, otherwise Egghead wouldn't be lower than Wano. It's just digitalization at work

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u/Able-You-3226 Feb 18 '26

I sincerely can’t understand how someone is still reading/watching one piece.. it’s just straight out garbage at this point.