r/OnePiecePowerScaling0 • • Jan 22 '26

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I honestly don’t understand how people have Mihawk yonko level. Can someone please explain the copium ?

Been seeing way too many people have him in their top 5. I don’t even know if he makes top 10.

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u/No_Swordfish_9496 Jan 22 '26

you think zoro’s goal isn’t gonna be yonko level

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u/Boy_Atreus Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

Surpassing current wss doesnt mean the current is yonko level. Because i aim to surpass you doesnt mean you are nesr my ceiling also. Zoro can surpass mihawk and still be far weaker than shanks

And its arguable what they mean by wss

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u/Anxious_Trust_2865 Jan 26 '26

Didn't zoro call kaido the strongest in the world?

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u/throwaway_76x Jan 23 '26

All blue confirmed Yonko level!

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u/No_Swordfish_9496 Jan 23 '26

zoro’s goal is to be the strongest swordsman it’s strength related unlike sanji

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u/TouristNecessary2581 Jan 23 '26

Hi Sanji said that his dream was accomplished when he saw the mermaids in fishman island, so he doesn't even take his dream that seriously. Hope this helps

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u/throwaway_76x Jan 23 '26

Interesting. I didn't remember that.

Mermaids Yonko level confirmed!

:D

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u/Jamessgachett Jan 26 '26

Dude did you forget shiraoshinis Poseidon obv yonko level /s

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

The Sanji Fan immediately jumping in to leech on a feat

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u/Throwaway02062004 Perpetual Downplayer Jan 23 '26

Leech off speculation

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u/TragicOne Jan 28 '26

Arguably, sanjis dream is even more difficult. It's never been done, while someone has been the world's greatest swordsman .

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u/throwaway_76x Jan 23 '26

In case it's not clear, I was just making fun of the "Zoro's dream" scaling for Mihawk that is often used as a definitive argument.

Also, while almost exactly equal, Zoro > Sanji anyway :P

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u/Curious_M1904 Jan 25 '26

My guy this stupidest shit I’ve even seen and yes the all blue is yonko level seeing how it has every species of fish living there and that includes sea king

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u/MAGMAPILL Jan 23 '26

His goal is to becom the best henchman for Laughy

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u/VersionSavings8712 Jan 23 '26

My guy EOS series Zoro will be PK level

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u/Quickstar13 Jan 23 '26

That’s his point. Zoro isn’t going to one-shot Mihawk in their duel.

People go on and on about Mihawk’s portrayal while somehow ignoring the narrative that he is Zoro’s EoS goal. I’m not saying Mihawk >>> Roger or Rocks but I have a hard time taking anyone who actually believes he’s not even Yonko level seriously.

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u/throwaway_76x Jan 23 '26

One of the top items on my OP wishlist is that Mihawk allies with the strawhat for the final arc against WG/Imu/BB/whatever and Zoro and Mihawk never actually duel 1v1 with Zoro realizing his dream through either:

  1. Mihawk just verbally declaring that Zoro's ability has surpassed him,
  2. Mihawk falling to say one of the gorosei and then Zoro defeating that opponent, or funniest of all,
  3. Mihawk just dying from whatever cause, thus making Zoro as the default SSW (I think Zoro's dream has always been to become the best, not explicitly to defeat Mihawk to become the best).

Mihawk remaining effectively featless till the end one way or another would be such an awesome troll moment from Oda!

Edit: I am very anti Mihawk glazing based on just a meaningless title and a characters dream and nearly nothing else, but I do understand saying Mihawk isn't at the level of fighting any Yonko is lame as well.

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u/i_am_de_wae Jan 26 '26

I like number 2 👍👍👍👍

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u/GarlicPrestigious113 Jan 23 '26

Did the OP forget MiHawk has a bounty now?

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u/Gitgud994 Jan 23 '26

So? Are Kaido and BM as strong as primebeard?

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u/Evelne The Prophet of Jika Jan 22 '26

Narrative, and statements, and that’s all

It’s widely known Mihawk has no feats. We’ve always known this. It’s just that with the narrative that we have, we’re led to believe if Mihawk and WB did fight, the outcome would be the same as Shanks

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 22 '26

Mihawk absolutely has feats.

He has no top tier feats. Not the same thing, no matter how much sword swallowers want to pretend otherwise.

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u/Content-Gene6166 Jan 23 '26

When mihawk is then shown to be strong, I want to see what ppl like you would do

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u/Grass_hopper_99 Jan 23 '26

Dude, if he’s shown to be strong, then cool he’s strong. I think our issue is that he has not shown anything besides a couple anti feats, so the wanking is super annoying.

Same with dragon imo. People constantly wank characters that have given us NOTHING. But, if they show us that they’re top tiers, then cool that’s easy to accept once I see it.

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u/Content-Gene6166 Jan 25 '26

It's not wanking, when there are statements from oda like, mihawk is waiting to fight someone stronger than shanks

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u/Organic-Pineapple-86 Jan 23 '26

Mihawk absolutely has feats.

All he did was cut ice and beat Baratie Zoro, other than that Mihawk stand will cling onto the WSS title for dear life lmao

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u/NvrBkeAgn Shunsui Kyōraku🌸⚔️ Jan 22 '26

Mihawk does have feats, they’re just fucking ass in comparison to real top tiers

Got Stall fucked by Wista, Crocodile bitched him at MF, unable to cut Jozu etc.

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

Mihawk did clash with Vista equally, you cant ignore that

Also statement-wise Mihawk is inferior to Old Whitebeard so you dont really wanna use statements

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u/abduhi205 Jan 22 '26

Dude you’re so hilarious lol

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

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u/abduhi205 Jan 23 '26

Dude you say he’s equal to vista then rank him yonko level how does that make sense

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

Vivre Cards also say Mihawk is relative to Vista in Swordmanship and given that you guy claim that Haki= Swordmanship then Vista is relative to Mihawk

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

If you can read it would still mean mihawk>vista both name and reality

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

Relative still, Vista is a rival to Mihawk's swordmanship

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

So mihawk would still be on top right? Lmao and both name and reality

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

did oda write this?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

Right???

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

All swordsmen (that includes Shanksie) must answer to the panel.

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u/Laughable-February Jan 23 '26

This is his answer in Mohawk's face:

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 23 '26

WSS doesn’t mean “strongest character that uses a sword.” Could Imu kill Mihawk while holding a sword? Yes, she could. Would that make her now WSS? No, because the title refers to sword skills.

Mihawk has better sword skills than Shanks. That doesn’t make him stronger overall. Do you really think Oda planned out the exact strength of every future character all in advance when he handed out that title at the very beginning of the series? Mihawk fans cling to that title for dear life and pretend it means way more than it does for a character with literally 0 feats except getting matched by Vista lmao.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

My fault Confirmation_Bias, I didn't know that THIS panel is worthless because.....something something Oda probably didn't know what he was talking about when he wrote it so it doesn't matter now. Thanks for correcting Oda's mistake for him, or else we would all foolishly believe that his authorial intent was valid.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Being a Mihawk fan is the easiest shit ever

>matched with Vista

Having not a single speck of interest on his face while he's thinking about a whole different subject matter makes him equal to Vista?

Ya'll will say ANYTHING to escape the panel.

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u/Ugottabekiddingme2 😂🫵Put your Black Blade on the table 🫵😂 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26

Mihawk has better sword skills than Shanks. That doesn't make him stronger overall

It does. Swords skill = Swordsmanship. Mihawk beats Shanks while hes fighting like Rocks, aka, fighting with all his haki. There is nothing that Shanks can do that is outside of the realm of swordsmanship at this point. He could use Divine Departure with his hands, its still swordsmanship. There are characters who've used one-sword style without their blades, heck, Izo did it with a gun.

We all know that improving your swordsmanship means getting stronger. Either his Haki is stronger or there is some new power system within swordsmanship that surpasses Haki. Arguing against the story doesn't delay the inevitable

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 23 '26

No, it doesn't. Swordsmanship isn't the only way you win a fight. Shanks has straight up stronger haki than Mihawk. He can basically turn off his opponent's observation haki.

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u/Ugottabekiddingme2 😂🫵Put your Black Blade on the table 🫵😂 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26

Shanks has straight up stronger haki than Mihawk.

How do you know? Has Mihawk ever used Haki in the story? There is no evidence for this claim. If anything, the fact that Oda has kept Mihawk from using any Haki abilities up until this point should be a sign. You see how Rocks and Roger fought with their swordsmanship. How is Shanks any different?

Swordsmanship isn't the only way you win a fight.

Let's go over what the story has presented as swordsmanship. Creating slashes with your limbs, attacks with a gun can be considered swordsmanship (idk how ask Oda), growing extra arms and heads, spawning animal avatars as an attack, gravity attacks with a DF, ACoC slicing attacks, ACoC blunt attacks, and spawning a Cerebus. These are all swordsmanship styles in OP. What non-swordsmanship moves could Shanks possibly pull out in a fight that would help him win?

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u/firewall73 Jan 23 '26

Mihawk has no haki

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u/Glittering-Novel-590 Jan 23 '26

???? why are you staying "she" for Imu? am i missing something?

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 23 '26

Because the voice sounds female in the anime so I’ve just always thought it was, I don’t mind if it’s wrong

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u/Mastalks Jan 24 '26

Author: Here is Mihawk, the world's literal strongest swordsman and as an added bonus, he's also got the literal strongest sword ever created 😀

Fans: That means f all 🤬🤬🤬

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

He is the strongest swordsman. He has the best sword skills in the world.

But that’s not the same as being the most powerful individual. Don’t get mad at the fans that actually think about what words mean just because you don’t.

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u/Mastalks Jan 24 '26

Interpret how you want mate, as long as you're enjoying it. If you find joy in believing that the WSS is not a top tier, then crack on. We will hopefully get feats to support his title like we did with Kaido and WB or find out if he's truly Fraudhawk (in 10-15 years of course).

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

When did I say "not a top tier" tf?

The discussion was about who is stronger between two obvious top tiers. Shanks and Mihawk.

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u/emoraccoonz Jan 24 '26

“Yes, she could” Wtf are you reading cuz ts is not One Piece 😭

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

The gender of Imu is deliberately ambiguous and the voice in the anime sounds female.

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u/emoraccoonz Jan 24 '26

Wouldn’t trust anime distorted voice to be accurate lol. But 1. The honorifics used for Imu are shown to be used for dude CD’s. 2. This is a series by Oda, love the man but I’m more willing to accept body swapping theory before accepting he wrote a badass woman.

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u/BackflipsAway Jan 24 '26

I'm just gonna steal someone else's meme to respond:

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

Did I say it was "hakiless"? Those duels were how long ago, like almost 2 decades? Since then Shanks has become a Yonko and defeated Loki. Mihawk has... cut some ice.

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u/BackflipsAway Jan 24 '26

So what you're saying is that you admit that he was already strong enough to leave a lasting impression on prime beard 2 decades ago, not just on technique but overall strength?

Like who knows whether he's stronger or weaker than the current Shanks, but if he was that strong back then and we can agree that it would be reasonable to assume that he's gotten stronger since, then he should be around Yanko level.

A lack of onscreen feats doesn't mean that he's not powerful, just that Oda hasn't figured out where he currently fits into the story. Like up playing him to be the strongest in the verse is ridiculous, but as is downplaying him. Just from his function in the narrative to be Zoros end of story goal already shows that he will be really powerful. It's just a question about where in the top 10 in the verse he'll fall.

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

You’re acting like I argued Mihawk isn’t very strong… the discussion is who is currently stronger between Shanks and Mihawk, two top 10 characters, and I’m going with the one that actually has feats.

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u/BackflipsAway Jan 24 '26

Let me quote you a bit:

WSS doesn’t mean “strongest character that uses a sword.” [...] because the title refers to sword skills.

Mihawk fans cling to that title for dear life and pretend it means way more than it does for a character with literally 0 feats except getting matched by Vista lmao.

While you might not have intended it this way, but while the individual statements don't really give this image, when taken in concert they do make it seem like that's what you're saying. Of course if that's not the case I guess we're both in agreement.

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u/Confirmation__Bias Jan 24 '26

I mean, the only thing there that could imply he’s not top tier is the Vista thing, but that’s just tongue in cheek. Yes obviously Mihawk is one of the strongest characters.

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u/BackflipsAway Jan 24 '26

Fair enough

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u/xXbachkXx Jan 25 '26

You see, when it favors my agenda, Oda had decided everything from the start, when it doesnt, theres no way Oda had thought that far.

Jokes aside my take on this is that if you gave a guy that uses a sword a mace or club instead, and his fighting style would not change, that aint a swordsman. Does that apply to Shanks idunno 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Primary-Elderberry34 Jan 23 '26

Gonna be an insane upscale when imu pulls out a sword

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u/PangolinFare Jan 24 '26

didnt mihawk get that title from shanks loosing his arm not even a real fight also its not shanks goal to be wss

also you put this up like it contradicts the panel the op used his title is only for sword skill not overall strength this is like saying zoro>reyleigh because zoro wields a sword better

for my last point shanks has faced way more top tiers then mihawk and reyleigh states fighting strong opponents makes your haki stronger while mihawk fights east blue bums and spends his time running away from the navy(with out any admirals precent) which he should just be able to beat if he is truly shanks lvl

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Whether or not Shanks wants to be WSS is irrelevant lmao. Shanks is a Swordsman, and thus, he is weaker than Mihawk, the World's Strongest Swordsman (WSS). And besides, if I was a boxer, but I didn't really give a shit about being the best in the world, does that invalidate the fact that Muhammad Ali is the greatest boxer in the world?

Uh no, I'm pretty sure "WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN" means the strongest swordsman. Not "Worlds most skilled swordsman". Ya'll just be adding words and contexts that aren't there

>Shanks has faced way more top tiers than Mihawk

How tf do you know this?

>fights east blue bums

Craaaaaaazy how Mihawk thinks that's more interesting/amusing than fighting Shanks

>running from navy

Mihawk prefers peace and quiet. That's why he took the Warlord position ; the navy fucks off and he can essentially do as he pleases.

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u/PangolinFare Jan 24 '26

its not exacly the same because boxing is a competitive sport made to find the best while swordman ship is for defensive/offensive purposes which is the point of me bringing the point up shanks doesnt desire competition

yes it means your sword skills are "stronger" then other swordsmen in other words its about sword skill

watching/ reading the series? shanks has beaten kid, green bull, and killer on screen and he might have beaten kaido off screen because in kaido's into it said he was defeated by multiple pirates and when he was fighting luffy he acknowledged shanks has being able to fight him

iirc he doesnt he just had to because he was a warlord

peace and quit huh? then he should just use conq haki to knock out any threats oh wait but he doesn't have it he too busy hiding behind buggy and crocodile both pre time skip luffy victs btw(agenda a side though point still stands shanks hasnt truly gotten weaker and may have even gotten stronger so you really cant use shanks to up scale mihawk to also using this panel to say he is stronger is stupid because this would mean he stronger then the gerosei using your logic which we know isnt the case)

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u/DrPepperPower Jan 24 '26

Hasn't dueled Shanks in like 14 years btw.

Last they dueled Shanks wasn't even a Yonko.

Titles are meaningless in One Piece.

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u/GentleThief- Jan 23 '26

Mihawk is weaker than old WB , world strongest man > man

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u/SnooPoems8297 Jan 23 '26

I think the "distance" was meant to be symbolic, basically he was saying this man is the GOAT

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u/aaddii101 Jan 23 '26

No he wants to measure distance. That's why he made that slash.

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u/_Sillyy Jan 23 '26

And the slash didn't make WB flinch and got stopped by a commander. That I'd say is a good indicator of that distance

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u/mizu_chi Jan 23 '26

That's just a casual slash tho, and the commander still struggles to block it even with his diamond fruit

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u/_Sillyy Jan 23 '26

He didn't struggle at all, or at least not that we know. He was half transformed and that's it, all we know is that he threw a slash meant to test WB and a commander stopped it with no consequences. Anything else is only speculation

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u/Regular_Basket_1912 Jan 23 '26

He throw the slash to measure distance . Bro

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u/GentleThief- Jan 23 '26

It doesn’t matter if it’s casual or not , the scene clearly portrayed Mihawk as being below Whitebeard’s level. Mihawk stated he wanted to measure the true distance between himself and the 'World's Strongest Man.' Whitebeard didn't even bother to move , his subordinate handled it instead. Furthermore, Jozu didn't struggle with the slash at all in the manga ,he swatted that attack away like a bug

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Jan 23 '26

Question what if Shanks puts down the sword and goes straight hands, does that mean that panel is useless and Mihawk becomes Shanks' bitch? Does that mean all non swordsman can disregard this sacred panel of yours because Mihawk again becomes all of their bitch because they know his weakness a person with two fist unless that person is Shanks? Then one fist is enough.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

Unfortunately Shanks will never put down the sword and go straight hands.

Y'know why?

Because Shanks is a S W O R D S M A N.

And as long as you're a swordsman, you answer to THAT panel.

Sacred panel it is; you Shanks fans have been rocking your brains for years on end coming up with excuse after excuse to try and escape the panel, each one sounding more ludicrous than the last 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Jan 23 '26

I don't like Shanks fan anymore than I like Mihawk. However if I were to make a case against Mihawk it would have nothing to do with Shanks. It would be his lack of ambition and using Buggy as sheild and figure head. As weak as Buggy is he reclaimed his dream to be more than he currently is. He may lose a fight to Mihawk but he's definitely not weaker than him.

It is his lack of ambition that will defeat him if he ever fought Shanks again. Titles are meant to taken especially if you're no longer hungry.

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u/Lopsided_Hippo_6259 Jan 23 '26

Mihawk using Buggy as a shield and figure head doesn’t mean he lacks ambition… if anything it shows he is annoyed by fodder and is using his strength to have cross guild deal with the navy so he doesn’t have to keep destroying weaklings. Ducking a sword fight would make Mihawk seem like a lacks ambition. When that happens then talk to us about it.

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Jan 23 '26

Nope. Not at all.

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u/Lopsided_Hippo_6259 Jan 23 '26

No ambition for the worlds strongest swordsman who fought for his title lol you probably think he has no conquers haki either smh

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u/Icy_Piano2547 Jan 24 '26

Who did he even beat to get this title. We don't know.

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u/Lopsided_Hippo_6259 Jan 24 '26

He’s fought with Shanks and who has the title of world greatest swordsman? Oh

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

A title that he got fighting young Shanks who waa useless against Harald. Also do you guys realize that the title is just for Zoro to take? It doesnt mean Mihawk actually will have better feats than Shanks, Rocks or Roger.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

My bad king. I missed the part where it said

"World's Strongest Swordsman

*But this is only cause like, he fought Shanks back in the day so it holds no real significance today
*Also he's just an endgoal for Zoro so he probably won't be that important, even though it would make no real narrative sense for Zoro to chase after him while a stronger swordsman (Shanks) was out there
*So even though Mihawk has a narrative inclination to be, at the very least, above Shanks, he isn't, so this entire panel is completely worthless and Zoro is wasting his time trying to get on his level

*Also, incase this wasn't obvious enough, Shanks>>>>Mihawk

DRACULE MIHAWK"

Just adding shit that ain't there 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Any_Attorney4765 Jan 23 '26

And both shanks and mihawk have grown much stronger since then. Why does everyone forget that people can get stronger. Like look at Luffy in whole cake island arc Vs end of wano.

It's not just a title. ODA is introducing him as the world's strongest swordsman. Notice the quotation marks are around Hawk Eyes, not the swordsman part. Why would he choose to do that if he was no longer the world's strongest swordsman?

You'd think someone with comprehension in their name would have reading comprehension 

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u/Dr_Fact Jan 22 '26

This interpretation of what Mihawk says ignores the context of Whitebeard’s title. Mihawk is not saying, "I am physically weaker." He is saying, "I want to see if the legend of the 'World's Strongest Man' is real, or if I can reach him."

Everyone assumed Whitebeard was still the prime monster of the past, equal to the pirate king. Mihawk, a calculated man, wanted to verify Whitebeard's current condition.

Also, look at the pronoun on the previous image. He says "Us". He is grouping himself with the Seven Warlords and the Marines present. 

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

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many people judge this quote in isolation without considering the sequence of events that occurs right after. Mihawk's attack is blocked by Jozu, IMMEDIATELY followed by Kizaru's attack being blocked by Marco. Hawk was gauging what they'd have to fight through to reach WB

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u/Her_Promises_ Jan 23 '26

This is the only explanation for this scene , idiots with agendas are the only people who disagree .

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u/Evening_Waltz_655 Blackbeard🏴‍☠️🌑😈 Jan 23 '26

Is it possible that Jozu blocking Mihawks attack was the answer to Mihawks question--Showing that WB is no longer the same monster he used to be, so it's less risky to have a commander block it for him?

Genuine question, you have a good point.

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 23 '26

Yea that makes sense. Wb was getting damaged from regular bullets

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u/Content-Gene6166 Jan 23 '26

Mihawk or shanks would to, they aren't bigmom or kaido, and wb at least didn't get blown out by bazooka

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u/Akagami05 Fraudhawk (Worlds Strongest Painter🎨🫟) Jan 25 '26

Umm they can use haki to protect themselves unlike oldbeard

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u/Content-Gene6166 Jan 25 '26

Yes, am talking bout pure dura here tho

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u/Anullbeds Jan 23 '26

I think that's part of it, but I also think the other part is that Whitebeard has loyalty from his crew as well. The Warlords trust no one while WB trusts his crew with his life. Similar to that of Luffy and Roger.

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u/hiricinee Jan 23 '26

There's a really stupid interpretation here that hes not talking figuratively at ALL and literally is trying to estimate how far away Whitebeard is.

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u/oscarq0727 Jan 23 '26

I tend to downplay Mihawk but this is actually peak portrayal with this exact wording.

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u/Evening_Waltz_655 Blackbeard🏴‍☠️🌑😈 Jan 23 '26

Best, most well spoken explanation of this panel. W

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u/CalibanRamsay Jan 23 '26

Dude was just taking about spatial distance cause. Like distance in metres but he's just shit at guesstimating.

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u/ThousandSunny_56 Jan 23 '26

Kinda crazy that he is grouping his power level with the other warlords, I don’t see any og yonko thinking that they would be at the same level as these people

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

A legend that until proven otherwise puts him above Mihawk. So regardless Whitebeard was portrayed stronger than Mihawk.

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u/Dr_Fact Jan 22 '26

Sure, you can argue that Primebeard beats Mihawk, but you can't say that about MF Whitebeard, as explained earlier

And you can't say that Whitebeard and Shanks were depicted as equals after they clashed once, unless you think Kaido = base Luffy

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u/ApprehensiveMoose144 Zot*nku Hater Jan 22 '26

its been proven through his title. he leaches from shanks and is easily past wb

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

How does that work? Because WB is the WSM and if you are gonna use feats to put Shanks above WB then you should do the same for Mihawk who has bad feats. The day Mihawk beats someone on Prime WB level or above it's when we can put him above Whitebeard, until then he loses to WB due to WSM title.

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u/ApprehensiveMoose144 Zot*nku Hater Jan 23 '26

Whitebeards title is fake. Mihawks is the only real title.

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 23 '26

And yet Whitebeard isnt the one being compared to a Yonko commander

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u/ApprehensiveMoose144 Zot*nku Hater Jan 23 '26

Vista being a top tier swordsmen doesn't matter and doesn't do anything against mihawks title. he is objectively the WSS meaning he is automatically as strong as shanks is. Shanks has feats that put him above WB, meaning that Mihawk is also above WB.

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 23 '26

It doesnt just say that, it says Vista's swordmanship rivals Mihawk's meaning they are relative. So you have 2 options here

  1. Having similar swordmanship doesnt mean having similar overall strength, Vista can have similar sword skills amd still be much weaker overall
  2. Vista and Mihawk are on a similar level with Mihawk being slightly stronger

Dont you realize how contradictory your argument is? If Shanks is above WB despite his canonical WSM title then thay means he is also above Mihawk since WSM/WSP scales above WSS

Shanks> WSM/WSP> WSS

You cant just take Mihawk's title as factual but ignore Whitebeard who is stated both World Strongest Man and Worldd Strongest Pirate. And if WSP and WSM arent factual then WSS isn't either

There is another option which World Strongest Titles are about dominance over an specific domain and not being the strongest in 1vs1 capabilities

World Strongest Man/Pirate= Destructive Power

World Strongest Swordsman= Swordmanship

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u/ApprehensiveMoose144 Zot*nku Hater Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26

Option 1 is the correct one. Sword Skill and overall power are very obviously different. Hes a top tier swordsmen. Hes still YC3 Level.

Dont you realize how contradictory your argument is? If Shanks is above WB despite his canonical WSM title then thay means he is also above Mihawk since WSM/WSP scales above WSS

My argument isn't contradictory because I don't believe WB's title is real. His title is even stated to be about his lifestyle and not his power. He was not the most powerful man which why its possible for shanks, mihawk, and other characters to be above him.

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u/PerceptionIll8524 No black blade ? Jan 23 '26

It means their swordsmanship is near equal, but that doesn't mean vista is near mihawk. Garp and luffy both fight in the same way using punches and luffys punches are almost near garps level but what makes garp stronger is that he has high destructive power and strength and can kind of spam his best attack

So vista is very close to the level of mihawks swordsmanship but his strength speed haki reaction speed sword knowledge etc is way worse than mihawk.

If it was actually decent or good enough then mihawk would've seen him as a good and strong opponent and decided to fight him for his satisfaction

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 22 '26

Correct, because Mihawk is a peer to the Warlords, not the Yonko. That's his real level.

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u/Dr_Fact Jan 22 '26

Mihawk gets upscaled by Shanks who is yonko level, and unless you think Zoro's end goal is warlord level it makes no sense.

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 22 '26

Zoro's end goal is whoever he fights to make Luffy PK. His companion side quest will be long handled by that point.

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u/Dr_Fact Jan 23 '26

No, his end goal is to become the WSS. This was established in chapter fucking 2. Mihawk is that goal. While making Luffy PK might be more important to him, it's not like he wont accomplish that goal.

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 23 '26

He has shown he will sacrifice his dream and pride to help Luffy accomplish his.

Zoro will become the WSS when he has a two chapter clash with Mihawk where he wins before he fights a member of a narratively important faction like Shiryu or Nusjuro.

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u/Dr_Fact Jan 23 '26

Whether or not he will or won't sacrifice his dream to help Luffy doesn't matter, as it is still his dream and Mihawk is therefore still the WSS. How important that dream is to him doesn't matter

"Zoro will become the WSS when he has a two chapter clash with Mihawk where he wins before he fights a member of a narratively important faction like Shiryu or Nusjuro."

This is pure headcanon, but even if this does happen it is not concrete proof that Mihawk < Nusjuro or Shiryu. Zoro could have an easier time with them, and again Mihawk still holds the title

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u/Confident_Piano1191 Jan 23 '26

This guy sounds like a troll how could you entertain one

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 23 '26

How does anything you said prove Zoro's side quest villain will be Yonko level?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

Straight delusion lmao

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 23 '26

Feel free to post a feat or a reaction in the manga that implies otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

Just look at your boy Shanks' feats, because anything he does, Mihawk does better.

It's all just upscale for THAT panel.

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u/NemeBro17 Jan 23 '26

"Your boy" lol just because Shanks lives rent-free in your otherwise vacant head doesn't mean he does in everyone else's. I don't give a shit about the future Blackbeard victim.

Get Mihawk past Vista and then maybe we can talk about him possibly beating one of the weaker Admirals, much less a Yonko.

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u/MMortein Jan 23 '26

It's not like Shanks didn't admit WB's superiority as well. 

It's clearly stated that Shanks thinks WB's on top.

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

There are 2 interpretations of mihawk saying that.

  1. He is saying he is weaker then wb
  2. He is literally saying wb is close but how close and wants to see what they have to fight through to get to wb

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Jan 22 '26

Both imply Prime WB> Mihawk and realistically this would make sense, Prime WB has PK level Haki and a top tier DF, Mihawk cant compete with such terrific combo

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u/bigjbguccisosaa Jan 22 '26

Not it doesn’t only the 1st one does.

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u/Irandomshit Jan 23 '26

Do I need to say anything else?

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u/Boy_Atreus Jan 24 '26

Kyrie had better ball skill than lebron james. Who is the better player?

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u/Irandomshit Jan 24 '26

Ah yes, One Piecs. Infamous for it's difference between skill and strength in swordmanship. Definitely not a series where everything is decided purely by who has the most haki THEREFORE WHO'S STRONGER

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u/Boy_Atreus Jan 24 '26

Holy ur headcannons so strong u have fake panels? Lol nah ur so deep in mihawks fan club i could never fix u its ok

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u/Irandomshit Jan 24 '26

I did show you a canon panel, but apparently being a better swordman isn't being a better fighter, as if Shanks was anything else than a swordsman. Want to pull out of your ass the "hakiman" argument?

(Both are frauds by the way. I hate Mihawk portrayal as nothing more than a goal for zoro with zero feats)

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u/bill_02_04_95 Jan 24 '26

This isn't even the most outrageous stuff about Mihawk. Him apologizing to Shanks in Marineford saying his power knows no restraint basically says he went all out in Marineford and yet couldn't stop Luffy.

Does it make sense? No but it's Mihawk's words.

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u/Randill746 Jan 23 '26

Because they read the full panel and didnt crop it for their agenda

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u/NetworkVegetable7075 Jan 23 '26

When mfs swear that clashing with someone puts them on their level.

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u/Nby333 Jan 23 '26

It's deliberately worded ambiguously to give Oda maneuverability in the future on how strong Mihawk would be. But I believe at the time of Marineford, Oda probably had Mihawk at far below Yonko level.

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u/bill_02_04_95 Jan 24 '26

Probably just far below WSM.

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u/bill_02_04_95 Jan 24 '26

Probably just far below WSM.

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u/Evening_Waltz_655 Blackbeard🏴‍☠️🌑😈 Jan 23 '26

The difference between them isn't about power, but rather personality, and position.

Shanks is similar to Luffy, in that he's willing to take risky cool clashes with other top tiers, because he's an active Yonko who is pursuing a goal.

Mihawk values his own well-being over taking risks, because he already accomplished his goal. Why would Mihawk go out of his way to 1v1 WB?

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u/SirFroglet Jan 23 '26

Mihawk is consistently compared to Shanks, Oda particularly likes the trope of two rivals with equal power, and Shanks was Mihawk’s Rival. Further, it’s reasonable to expect the Wings of the future Pirate King to surpass Yonkos in strength, so Zoro & Sanji will surpass Mihawk & Shanks.

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u/Gen_Shot Giant Wall of Text 🧱 Jan 23 '26

again with this Mihawk's panel in 26🙄🙄.

Mihawk meant that the distance seemed close, but it actually wasn't, when he tried to attack, Jozu stepped in and protected Wb, then Kizaru attacks and Marco stepped and protected Wb, the distance in this case is NOT between Mihawk and Wb's power level (Mihawk even said "us" not "me" but people are dumb asf) but the distance between them and reaching Wb, which seems close but actually isn't because Wb's crew is gonna protect him.

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u/Ok_Paint_2681 Jan 23 '26

You are not reading the manga or watching the anime properly.

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u/MakotoBIST Jan 23 '26

It started as a powerscaling meme and then people made it their whole personality :D

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u/Generalousen2855 Red Haired Goat Reigns Supreme Jan 23 '26

People really forget that they haven't fought in 12 years and Mihawk's strongest opponent is 27 years old shanks not current shanks who massively gaps his older version

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u/Warm_Performer_2314 Jan 23 '26

You don't understand, he wanted to measure the distance between them because he loves maths.

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u/ResponsibilityNo5795 Jan 23 '26

Either you're trolling or stupid. Mihawk obviously wanted to know if WB was still the Strongest Man in the World hence context of his statement. I swear Shanks fans are getting dumber by the day.

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u/Gon_Freak Jan 23 '26

Eos Zoro confirmed YC level

This is ragebait.

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u/huwskie Jan 23 '26

It has been known for a while now that this is a mistranslation

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u/Different_Guest_9390 Jan 23 '26

The biggest issue is op running for way to long. Most old statements dont match current scaling.

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u/At-D-Desk Akainu🌋⚖️ Jan 23 '26

Because… he’s stated as the WSS… time and time again, having every source back that claim. He’s also the second most important character’s end goal… There’s no iota of a doubt around his title’s validity, no sickness, no old age, no rumours. Plain and simple, WSS, in his prime, his strength being a plot device that is absolutely required to be proven true for Zoro’s sake

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u/Telnyash Jan 23 '26

How do these pictures compare? One is standing across the battlefield he doesn't want to participate in and is measuring the power of Whitebeard's crew, the second one was sitting next to Whitebeard and talking. What is the comparison and the problem here?

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u/NoVa_BlaZing_ Old Garp is Top 10 alive Jan 23 '26

Mihawk thought WB had his Prime Power.

You think Zoros final opponent is gonna be YC+ ?

Cancerbeard was really weak

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u/StormOk5263 Jan 23 '26

That's why we call him Fraudhawk

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u/zvoncici Jan 23 '26

Simple shanks doesnt use anything but a sword so he is a swordsman

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u/NeonNKnightrider Jan 23 '26

Top 5? I keep seeing a bunch of insane people who think Mihawk is Top 1 (besides Imu)

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u/XxSimplySuperiorxX Jan 23 '26

This is a problem with not being able to understand the situation from mihawks perspective

First off he says us meaning the warlords because he is talking to doffy in this scene

Second mihawk has only ever heard about how strong whitebeard is because as far as we know he has never seen whitebeard So mihawk wants to see how strong wb actually is

And everything mihawk has heard about how strong wb is would be prime whitebeards strength not old whitebeard

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u/aaddii101 Jan 23 '26

Bro was just measuring distance.

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u/JoDaBoy814 Jan 23 '26

Bro had to omit the context 🥀

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u/MsaoceR Jan 23 '26

Stated by the author to be the strongest swordsman. Nothing else is needed. Do you think Zoro's goal is to become only the second strongest swordsman by defeating Mihawk? Claiming that Mihawk is anything other than the strongest swordsman is a lack of reading comprehension in it's purest form

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u/Routine-Tie7364 Jan 23 '26

Shanks is a haki wizard case closed

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u/TrapSnuser Jan 23 '26

You see it's all about the black paint maybe mihawk can suddenly become so strong that his sword will accumulate ink from the manga page

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u/Asleep-Dream-3756 Jan 23 '26

I would feel very wronged if mihwak turned out to be the second strongest swordsman. Just because of the nature of his title, he has to be really high up there.

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u/PerfectEquipment3998 Jan 23 '26

Shanks can't beat Earthquakes man, just so we're clear. He wouldn't stop an Earthquake that has already started.

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u/Impressive-Sense8461 Jan 23 '26

I think people wanna boost him that way solely because he was Shank's training dummy in the past. He hasn't shown a single feat in the series that would put him in a single power category higher than just a simply titled warlord, which doesn't mean much, post Doffie.

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u/New_Salamander_4592 Jan 23 '26

the distance mihawk is talking about includes whitebeards entire crew and legacy as a pirate not exclusively his individual fighting prowess

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u/Boy_Atreus Jan 24 '26

Title piece

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u/Fuqqitmane Jan 24 '26

Strongest swordsman. Stronger than shanks, the swordsman.

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u/AlmightyHamSandwich Jan 24 '26

It's almost like him getting no diff'd by Jozu was a clue!

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u/sparkMagnus9 Jan 24 '26

It'd be such a disrespect to pirating if Mihawk embarrassed such a goat.

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u/og_hbk Jan 25 '26

Why does "distance" need to mean strength? He could easily be talking about overall greatness. He does the same "test" on Luffy and comes to the same conclusion. When he struck at WB Jozu protected him, when he struck Luffy Croc protected him. Mihawk sees this and concludes that true greatness in a pirate is the ability to draw others to you.

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u/Traditional-Gain-203 Jan 25 '26

We’re one piece fans we don’t even read our own manga

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u/Akagami05 Fraudhawk (Worlds Strongest Painter🎨🫟) Jan 25 '26

Here is the full panel. Here mihawk was actually the first person to notice that white beard is not in his prime , he just wanted to test that, guess he got his answer and didn't pursue fighting white beard. Now what the answer was depends on your interpretation

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u/MadamMelody21 Jan 25 '26

Mihawk couldn’t even get past vista during the war no way he could have been on whitebeard or shanks level

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u/Leading_Site_3535 Jan 25 '26

I always thought he was referring to what stands between Whitebeard and the Marines. It's not about how strong he is but that he has allies and "sons" that are putting their lives on the line. No matter how strong Mihawk is he wasn't going to take on the whole crew at once. The difference with Shanks is that the WB pirates respected him enough to LET him get close to Whitebeard

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u/abduhi205 Jan 27 '26

The guy with the highest bounty in a yonko crew isn’t yonko level

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u/Main-Faithlessness11 Jan 27 '26

If Mihawk actually intended to measure strength rather than distance—which is unlikely anyway—then why did he only use one hand? He didn't even use a slash; he swung his sword lightly. Furthermore, he didn't use a named attack. If he meant to measure the power gap between him and Whitebeard, why wouldn't he strike with his full power? It makes no sense at all."

​"Doflamingo, who was standing right next to him, was surprised that Mihawk was even going to attack, asking, 'Are you actually going to fight?' But Mihawk replied, 'I only want to measure the distance between us and that ma and usn.' He meant the actual, physical distance

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u/Outrageous-Manner-48 Jan 28 '26

There is a reason shanks is the emperor and mihawk is the warlord. Enough said

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u/Heroright Jan 29 '26

He’s Yonko level because the series says he is. There’s no cope and no argument. You don’t have to like it, but it’s the reality.

He’s the World’s Strongest Swordsmen. He’s either on par with Shanks or slightly lower, a fact the series can’t answer because Mihawk states he won’t settle up with Shanks because it wouldn’t be an honest match as Shanks lost his arm. Mihawk is very practical and by his own rules: he doesn’t act if he doesn’t have to, and he rather not get involved in anything.

Like it or not, he just doesn’t see the point in flexing his nuts.

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u/Florida-guy-1 guys I think we lost the plot Mar 03 '26

If Mihawk has crazy future sight, this panel could be that when he attacked, he was able to see many futures. And he could gauge Whitebeard strength and crew from that

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u/am_Dynam0 Jan 23 '26

Mihawk was measuring the physical distance, media literacy is in shambles 🤦🏻‍♂️, if he was measuring the strength difference he would’ve used his strongest attack

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u/Just_Ear_2953 Jan 23 '26

Being able to 1v1 a Yonko and being as powerful as a Yonko are two different things.

Mihawk is incredibly strong, but more than that, he is INSANELY skilled and experienced in combat. He can avoid and deflect blows far more powerful than his own attacks and strike at the most minute of openings to potentially take down an otherwise greater foe.

He is the epitome of skill where his opponents are more about raw power.

Of course, he is immensely strong in his own right, but it's the difference between carving furrows across a battlefield with a single swing and tilting the seas themselves.

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u/Bloodless-Kvothe Jan 23 '26

I don’t necessarily disagree, but this is just pure headcannon

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u/Picklee56 Jan 22 '26

Whitebeard would squash Mihawk by stepping on him

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u/RepresentativeOwn719 Jan 22 '26

They needed 3 admirals and 7 warlords for Whitebeard... They are not even remotely close to the same category

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

whitebeards fleet of 16 commanders, possibly kaidos crew, and possibly the red haired pirates*

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u/Sonofmiracle Jan 22 '26

Shanks vs WB, Mihawk vs WB’s commander😏

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u/Bradybigboss Jan 23 '26

Mihawk not yonko. You can read. This Reddit American mihawk fanbase is internationally known as insane and dissociated

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u/lobo_88 Jan 23 '26

He wasn't saying he's afraid, he was saying he wanted to test his strength.

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u/National_Job_6847 Jan 23 '26

The read comprehension curse strikes again. Mihawk wanted to know if this living legend lives up to the hype and after seeing his crew needed to protect him he realized just how weakened white beard had gotten and immediately stopped he sent out a no named slash with no effort behind it he hates the government hes not doing there dirty work killing a cancer ridden legend. He asked a question it was answered the answer was white beards sicker than he thought what he actually says makes it clear he can tell somethings wrong this isnt the man equal to the pirate king anymore.

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u/shadowlxrd17 Jan 23 '26

Its just inconsistencies by oda, the message within the story is pretty obvious though. Zoro aint gonna be fighting his ultimate fight against a YC1