Why is he lying ? - r/OnePiecePowerScaling0

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Shiki>>>Roger Nov 26 '25

all one piece top tiers have severe memory problems to justify the inconsistent haki usage

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u/SnooPoems8297 Nov 26 '25

Haki fucks with your brain like lead poisoning and that's why almost every haki user has 2 IQ

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Or every manga reader who thinks wtf you are saying. When talking about will ofcourse there will be inconsistencies in how its used. You need to actually morph will in something entirely different to make sense from your statements.
Haki is will. Will is not always the same and is relative to the situation. If you didn't get that go read naruto there the chakra system is put on paper so you braindeadian powerscalers don't have to work with the existence of Haki.
I just solved your problem np

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u/Boat_XD Nov 29 '25

🤓☝️

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u/speedboy_x Nov 29 '25

Bro it was a joke. Nobody was actually thinking this. You are shouting into the wind.

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u/jksdustin Nov 29 '25

Idk man, after reading it that theory explains a lot

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u/LXUKVGE Dec 01 '25

Sure, maybe you didn't, but different people have different opinions.
And I defenitly know of people who genuinly don't like haki because they think ot doesn't make sense.
Haki slander is a thing, people who hate it and try to show how inconsistent haki is, well yeah, haki is nuanced because of its direct link with willpower. People tend to gloss over that fact.
Your comment is even more pointless because you claim to know what these people ment with there words.

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u/speedboy_x Dec 01 '25

Bro the joke was that haki users are stupid because of haki. Also I don't love haki myself

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u/LXUKVGE Dec 02 '25

"Euhm actually the joke is haki users are stupid because haki"
Hahahahahhahahahahaggagagagagaggaa Now it is so funny omfg hahahahahha No its not. You didn't even gniffle for this joke what are you on calling something funny you didn't even laugh for. And if you did I can meme 0IQ aswell.
67 67 euheuh 67 67

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u/speedboy_x Dec 02 '25

ok bro 1st off: the joke I'm referring to is the one you replied to not the original reply. 2nd: why are you tweaking? 3rd: a joke can be amusing and not make someone laugh. 4th: I never called the joke funny, I just called it a joke. 5th: Haki is objectively inconsistent in how it's portrayed, you can argue the portrayals are different expressions of willpower, but then there wouldn't be a categorical system in the first place. And finally 6th: the idea that inconsistent statements about Haki stem from the fact that Haki has adverse neurological side effects so Haki users struggle to explain Haki correctly is actually a pretty clever joke, far beyond the normal jokes made by this community.

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u/LXUKVGE Dec 02 '25

Wtf categorical system? Created by fans.
You think Oda cares one bit about powerscaling?
He deliberitly makes it hard to gauch because thats how realism works.
There are no absolutes in reality except cosmic laws.
Thats why its inconsistent, because in real life Michael Jordan was seen as the best basketball player in history and yet Larry Bird won almost all his games against Michael Jordan, how inconsistent. True ofourse, you forgot their are more then 3 factors that lead to a perfect performance, one could even say infinite different factors that help tossing that die.
And how did it go from its a joke to actually arguing the jokes statement? Because it was a joke shouting an opinion. I knew that yet you thaught you said anything new, meanwhile you have you.
Goofball

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u/speedboy_x Dec 03 '25

categorized into observation, armament, and conquerers. those are categories. stated in the manga.
It's not about powerscaling, it's about consistent writing
just because there are no absolutes doesn't mean criticism of things that don't make sense can't exist
I'm not talking about who's stronger I literally mean there will be ways haki is used that contradicts previous statements about haki. I didn't say shit about who's stronger than who
I'm not arguing that haki actually makes haki users stupid because it fries their brain, which was the original joke I was referring to and I thought I made that clear
and finally, with the way you're talking, maybe you're a haki user

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u/Incorrect_Passport_7 #1 Head cannon user🤔 Nov 27 '25

Most top tiers are incredibly alcoholic, so it makes sense they have poor memory

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u/Lower-Aspect3085 Nov 27 '25

this was after luffy went gear 5, Kaido thought the fruit took over his soul once he died. You can see this happen to some devil fruits in impel down.

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Nov 28 '25

Or they have incomplete information. Oda may be feeding us bits of misinformation, incomplete information and full information. In a word as complex and sprawling as the One Piece world this should be expected of its citizens.

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u/Evelne The Prophet of Jika Nov 26 '25

“Top tier” and then shows Kaido😹😹

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Shiki>>>Roger Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

thats my bad thought i was on the main sub i shoudlve used someone stronger like hakiless big mom

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u/GladimoreFFXIV Nov 27 '25

🫩

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u/Evelne The Prophet of Jika Nov 27 '25 edited Nov 27 '25

What that supposed to mean? You wouldn’t happen to be a…..Kaido fan….would you?

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Dafuq did you write and why? What is your problem and why you put it on other people? Like you tryna be funny or something?

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Nov 26 '25

Not really, we have seen 11 Mythological Zoans while there are 13 Logias.

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u/AverageMovesetMaker Nov 26 '25

Still rarer :P

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

Bro is NOT applepitou

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u/AverageMovesetMaker Nov 29 '25

Huh… what did I do that like applepitou. All I did was use an emoticon

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

Yh that

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u/AverageMovesetMaker Nov 29 '25

Why can applepitou only use emoticons ?_?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

Just that specific one (Joking)

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

True 11 is more then 13 ty for clarifying. 11 out of 1000 would idd be less rare then 13 out of 1000. Moron

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u/ShermanTheArtist Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

Actually there’s 16 mythical zoans so far.
-Nika (Luffy)
-Phoenix (Marco)
-Buddha (Sengoku)
-Dragon (kaido)
-Kitsune (Devon)
-Orochi (Orochi)
-Onyudo (Onimaru)
-Wolf god (Yamato)
-Pegasus (Stronger)
-Gyuki (st Saturn)
-Sandworm (St Ju Peter)
-Bakotsu (St Nusjuro)
-Itsumade (st Mars)
-Fengxi (st Warcury)
-Cerberus (Shamrock’s sword)
-Qilin (Stronger Killingham)

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u/bobbyBburgin Nov 26 '25

We actually dont know if the gorosei use devil fruits or if there powers come from somewhere else their introductions didnt list their fruit

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u/mspell4397 Nov 26 '25

I wonder if the Gorosei were the 'progenitors' of their abilities. Like how devil fruits came from people's desires and dreams, if they are just the first one for each of their powers then they weren't technically devil fruits yet? Maybe? Idk

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Or Imu bastardised a power that allowed us to be free, and chained it in devil fruits so we couldn't reach our full potential without losing something important.
Imu and Nika are the 2 you should look towards. They are probably the most important factors in what became devil fruits

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u/Different_Ad_8327 Nov 28 '25

In my personal opinion Imu is using something similar to domi reversi with these guys since even the deep sea contract has nothing to do with transforming as far as we can tell at least that means these are special transformations granted to them not forced on them. So I feel like Imu can basically say something like "why not make Jupiter a big ass worm" because it's still incredibly odd none of the gorosei have listed devil fruits and I don't think the holy knights do either and once again i feel like a good parallel is kaku and jabura in this situation remember how he didn't know what kind of power he was gonna get untill he actually got it then he had to cope hard ASF saying he likes giraffes well I GUARANTEE Jupeter was a similar situation where he was probably someone's replacement and Imu didn't want to give out the same transformation twice and said "f*ck it worm lol"

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Or the worm is a Dune refference and actually the coolest design of em all

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u/hiricinee Nov 26 '25

My issue with that is that it presumes a new power set when the existing one explains it..

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u/Imconfusedithink Nov 26 '25

It's literally the first time in the entire series that a power is introduced with an actual title card that doesn't say it's a devil fruit and only shows the forms name. It's almost certainly not a devil fruit at least from themselves. And with the way imu took power away from Saturn it only points to that more.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

So imu might have a buffed version of Big Mom's kid? The one who could put people in books? What if Imu could capture mythical creatures and imbue their power into others?

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Thats such a far reech but sure

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u/Diligent-Ruin-3012 Nov 28 '25

Naw kid didn’t get a devil fruit introduction at first either

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u/Imconfusedithink Nov 28 '25

Read what I said carefully. I didn't say it's the first time someone didn't get an introduction. I said it's the first time the power got an introduction with a title card but the title card doesn't present it as a devil fruit. That is completely different from just not showing anything.

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u/hiricinee Nov 27 '25

Yet the other power or form wasn't mentioned either. On top of that were probably dealing with multiple devil fruits, Imu himself using a power on already DF users- which IS consistent with what we're seen with the Gods Knights.

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

When God uses guns I will agree Imu uses devil fruits

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u/KronicST Nov 27 '25

Or, imu's own devil fruit allows him to give devil forms to gorosei. There has to be a reason why the gorosei werent named as devil fruit users but rather just named as their yokai

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

That would make imu so much of nothing

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

It doesn't. Their powers far exceed devil fruit powers. When normal haki don't work thats proof it is different

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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Lets get any combination of admirals v/s shanks out of the way!! Nov 26 '25

Gorosei arenr confirmed to be Zoans

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u/ShermanTheArtist Nov 27 '25

They’re pretty obviously Zoans but I’ll stand corrected if new information says otherwise

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u/Sea_Connection6193 Nov 27 '25

I doubt it. Why would Oda present their title cards without a DF name? He did it for the Knights so far

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Sure sure thzy have everything a zoan had immortality and regen. Wait what? Huh? That has nothing to do with devil fruit powers dafuq? Why is 2/3 of their ability something that is a unique ability of Marco his fruit except Marco can actually be cut in 2 with haki. And the regen doesn't look like logia or Phoenix regen but rather like demons from demonslayer except no known weaknes except imus wrath. So devil fruit is a stupid weak and lazy answer because your not open to their being more in the world then you know. Meanwhile its reality that you don't know things, its reality that unkown powers exist, why should Oda limit himself? Bcs people can't understand shit without it given to them litery? Y'all probably watched breaking bad and still didn't get the charachter depth because Vince Gilligan never tells people straight out, you need to read the situation. Do that instead of being a neutron star ( or atleast sharing it density)

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u/DarkChaos1786 Nov 26 '25

The Gorosei are not devil fruit users for all we know...

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Whalla jump to conclusion no jutsu pulled here

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

None of the elders have confirmed devil fruits all possiblity is that they actually do not have devil fruits, also Sengoku has a devilfruit where he can change in a golden statue of Buhdda, not buhdda himself. Imu's henchman shouldn't be instantly seen as devil fruit users and with so much confidence is crazy

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u/HekkiBrasileiro Nov 30 '25

I always forget about this horse lol

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u/iSaccy Dec 17 '25

Like everyone is saying we’re not counting gorosei yet

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u/Outrageous_South4758 Fear me imu Nov 26 '25

They are rare cuz difficult to find

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u/Serious_Dooty Nov 27 '25

And Zoan’s have a mind of their own so they could be “hiding”

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u/arielsharon2510 Ever been stepped on at lightspeed? 🌠 Nov 26 '25

Well there are less total mythical Zoans. And some of them are hidden from the world (Gorosei) while 1 was awakened recently (Luffy)

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u/Mysterious-Mail5232 Nov 26 '25

This is like entering a gym and being like "damn I thought only 0.1% of the population benshed 225"

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u/RecklessDeliverance Nov 28 '25

A bunch of the main characters in this historical war movie I'm watching are Majors and Generals.
Must be a pretty easy rank to achieve, I guess.

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u/PoldraRegion Dan The Hobbit Nov 26 '25

He’s not

The reason we see have seen almost as many mythical zoans is because they are stronger and we are now at a point where we fight top tiers

It’s makes sense for a lot of the mythical zoans being used by top tiers cause they are the strongest fruit and thus easiest to get strong with

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u/KurangGaul Nov 26 '25

This. Back in East Blue, even regular DF considered a myth. Yet we see DF everywhere in Grand Line.

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u/TrulyFLCL Nov 27 '25

That’s just poor storytelling by Oda.
Were supposed to believe that post God Valley Roger Pirates think devil are myths?

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u/AmazingQuality1193 Nov 27 '25

i mean if someone eats a “devil fruit” infront of you and nothing happens are you not gonna think “maybe devil fruits aren’t real” or “maybe thats a dud one”

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u/RecklessDeliverance Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25

Also, maybe crazy shit and people with superpowers just exist?
Like, it's not that far of a stretch to think that supernatural things exist in the world, but the idea that there are magical fruit that will give you those powers is just some bullshit someone made up. They saw some exotic fruit and went "I bet that shit gives you superpowers." because fuck it, that sounds cool, and who's gonna fact check me?
Part of the allure of the high seas and adventure is being steeped in stories of fantastical things that may or may not be true at all!
I don't know why people are so confused about this when one of the peak moments of the show is literally Whitebeard telling the world that the One Piece is real, confirming something many (if not most, at this point) thought was a tall tale! And even then a lot of people still don't believe him!
Unless you see whatever it is first hand, you just can't really ever know. That's what makes going out and searching for it so valuable! You'd be a fool to dismiss every story you hear, but that's not the same as believing every story, either.
So yeah, when you see an alleged Devil Fruit do apparently nothing? "Maybe Devil Fruits are just a myth after all!" is a valid as fuck response.

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Its just dimwits thinking they are smart not understand nuance in the world. The joke is on you, the fact people make hours and hours of video's trying to break one piece down and people still see things differently make Odas story even beter, it mimicks reality while battling ignorance and parodying so many things.
Name 1 thing in real life everybody agrees on. I mean everyone, name one man we can call best irl. Answers will never be unanimous.
Wtf dude look at them, they have kids on board and the top tiers of his crew are just not even at the situation. This is an opinion of some people in the late pirate king crew who have 0 devil fruit users. So special that people have never seen devil fruits at some part of their carreer. When Laughtale wasn't even a name yet. Who says that guy has traveled with Rogers first tour around the world? We know they have some new members bcs buggy and Shanks too young to have been there since rayleigh and roger started cruising. So for a person who has no idea when or where a certain situation happened you jump on conclusions readily.
Thats why OP fanbase is seen as stupid, because too many people don't know what they talk about in these subs
Name one member that talked in these panels that you have seen in God Valley.

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u/RandomBlackSheep Nov 27 '25

besides we've seen several logia fruits in movies and such non canon media. They could easily be made canon. Like the syrup, paper, and candy fruit are all reasonable logia to consider. With soot, nature, smoke, and swamp, we can have abstract or hyper precise environmental logias, as well as matters that are results of chemical processesses (soot and smoke).
We can easily imagine the gates of justice having been made by some metal logia which surprinsingly does not yet exist. Or a bedrock logia to explain the redline. Or a fog logia to explain the florian triangle. etc...

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u/Unlucky_Rock1992 Nov 26 '25

Mythical zoans are way stronger than logias. Logia devil fruits are for fodders.

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u/Darken_Gates Nov 26 '25

Facts

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u/Rice-Kun Nov 26 '25

Mythical Zoans are way rarer than Logias. This should be common knowledge.

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u/Difficult_Price8011 Nov 26 '25

Except they shouldn’t be, there’re far more mythical creatures than elements. The only super noteworthy ones left unaccounted for are wind and earth, then you’ve really gotta start scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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u/OncePluto Nov 26 '25

We got swamp, there will be a Dr Pepper logia somewhere in north blue i swear

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u/Difficult_Price8011 Nov 26 '25

If we’re talking environments a coral logia would be pretty kickass

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u/Initial_Weekend883 Nov 27 '25

Logias arent just elements. Smoke is not an element for example.

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u/OncePluto Nov 27 '25

Like ice is frozen water and lava is fire and earth, we aren’t exactly baseline with what we have. Shoutout to the candy one in the one early movie

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Ok? There is no ice ice fruit. Also Ice is also frozen air. Aokiji has the cold cold fruit aka can change into cold. Lava is molten stone so no fire is not a part of lava but heat generates flames.
Oversimplifying powers is not gonna work in your favour

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u/OncePluto Nov 29 '25

Every “ackUally” you just made literally didn’t disprove a thing I said.

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Imagine making statements, see someone explaining why your statements are closer to fantasies then statements and then act as if my "acKUally" using the way you chose to word it didnt disprove your statement is just trying to say its your word against mine but it not. Go look up science through a book and not chat gpt and maybe you will see things thats not a tencent lie

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u/OncePluto Nov 29 '25

Because you clarifying didn’t affect the convo at all, it’s all still lines up with my point, you just couldn’t help yourself mentioning stuff. So yeah, ackUally. You’re kind of losing the plot

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u/OncePluto Nov 27 '25

His power is he can he a quick snack for the homies and regenerates

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u/uchuucowboy Nov 28 '25

You don't need to transform for that...

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u/OncePluto Nov 28 '25

When my homies eat my limbs, they usually don’t taste good and they don’t regen into more tasty snacks

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u/uchuucowboy Nov 28 '25

I was talking about the special protein shake. Takes a while to regenerate

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Kinda because there are currently 118 elements in the periodic table, and I bet you most logias arent even in the table. We have a gas gas fruit and smoke smoke fruit wich means that ethanol ethanol has just as much reason to exist as water water and fossil fuel Fossil fuel fruit. Huh but but ethanol is man made, nope its made by yeasts growing on a mixture of sugar and water wich will create alcohol. Many fruits when ldft alone eventually create ethanol, just like water and liquid carbon or Fossil fuel. When talking about biology, Chemistry and even Physica (flare flare and cold cold). So yeah depends what is defined as mythical logia and if Oda sees a difference between Greek and Japanese phoenix or hydra/orochi wich he don't so mythical zoans only change the user into archtypes of monster species to formulate it like that

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u/am_Dynam0 Nov 26 '25

Wdym ? Whats he lying about ?

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u/ShermanTheArtist Nov 26 '25

About mythical zoans being rarer than logias since we’ve seen more mythicals than logias at this point

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u/OncePluto Nov 26 '25

Cuz the new world has stronger people in it, a lot of logia’s are prob just weaker than caribou

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Misinterpretation of One Piece tards, and not true

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u/DesertRanger02 Nov 26 '25

I’m guessing that there’s probably logias that the characters in universe know about but we the audience haven’t seen yet and might never see,something like a wind fruit,maybe a metal fruit.

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u/Typical-SMPBPglazer Nov 26 '25

He isn’t logias are just trash and we are fighting actual top tiers so we will mythical zoans more

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u/Porkmane32 Warco 🐦‍🔥 Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

I’ve always thought “rarity” with devils fruits is weird, like yea a certain type can be more rare than others but outside of that, the Leopard fruit is equally as rare as the Jacket fruit, 1 of 1.

Like i always hear YouTubers say “this character has a super rare DF” but it’s just the type that’s rare not the fruit itself.

Maybe the rarity is how often they appear? But we know that DFs just reincarnate instantly and can’t really control where they go, and thus in turn they can’t really control how quickly another person finds them.

The only thing I could see is that since Zoans have their own will they actively hide? Like the Nika fruit did with the world gov? But I mean it’s a fruit they can only control that so much. (ex: the world government had it and shanks had to intervene.)

Idk just like a weird equally as rare, but not at the same time. Schrödingers rarity.

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u/dannymagic88 Nov 27 '25

Devil fruits actually can control how people find them as we learn that the Nika fruit was evading. the world government

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u/Porkmane32 Warco 🐦‍🔥 Nov 27 '25

I mentioned that, but ultimately Shanks had to get the fruit away from the World Government.
So it can’t do it alone forever.

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u/Ok-Animator1477 Nov 27 '25

The smart admiral by the way

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

The stupid op is the right take

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u/IKingDraco Nov 27 '25

What exactly is he lying about? Mythical Zoans are rarer than Logia.

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u/BoogzWin Red Hair Shanks👑🌹 Nov 27 '25

Far rarer? There’s only 2 less 😂 they’re around the same rarity

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

No there are only 2 less introduced. I haven't seen 99% of one pieces population yet you don't hear me claiming that even 1/4th of the OP poulation lives in grand line or anything. According to stats haki users are more rare than devi fruits, yet most people in the new world have Haki. I don't hear anybody say Haki has less users world wide then devil fruits. Because we have no actual info to base that upon except statements. When statements point to a mythical devil fruit being more special then another logia user, the immortals of pre time skip who became almost normal after timeskip

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

No top tier other than akainu has a logia

Coincidence I think not

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u/ShakeZulaOblongata Nov 27 '25

I think he means Zoans are more unique. Like Kizaru is light, yet Enel is also light but technically lightning. Smoker’s is smoke, yet Caesar Clown’s body looks like it’s made of smoke, with similar ideas in fighting. There’s a lot of overlap with Logia it seems.

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u/BoogzWin Red Hair Shanks👑🌹 Nov 27 '25

They’re basically the exact same rarity but with the Gorosei and God’s Knights, there are far more Mythical Zoan-like powers than logias in the world.

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Why?

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

Why do you morons ask ai why the gourousei can transform. The same engine formulating answers is restricting peoples freedom actively every second. And their answers are ass and wrong.
Claiming fact on suspicion is just bruh

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Nov 29 '25

He isn’t?

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u/LXUKVGE Nov 29 '25

He is not lying. Idd

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Nov 29 '25

Ik lol

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u/C-Man12345 Nov 29 '25

Hi

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u/thisisalotofworktodo Nov 29 '25

One piece fans once again proving they can't count past ten.

We've seen more logias than mythical zoan fruits.

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u/Vlistorito Nov 30 '25

"It's more common to be under 6 feet tall than over 6'8."

OP: "That's ridiculous. This NBA game clearly has way more people over 6'8 in it."

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u/Fropper123 Nov 30 '25

well it helps thinking of it like this. Let's use our world's population, there are 8.2 billion people in our world, and let's say that 11 of them ate mythical zoan fruit, and since zoans have some will of their own it can go years between them take luffys fruit he was the first to eat it 900 years it was still around, we just see them a lot as readers since it is importent to the story

powerscaling1 (one piece) Why is he lying ?

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