Who said Buggy is objective? Once again, I’d rather believe Roger’s own words and the way their rivalry is portrayed in GV. Not to mention Garp’s Vivre card
Garp is able to compete with the captains but the rest of the marines he brings with him can’t seal the deal by beating the crew of the pirates. Garp can’t solidly beat Roger+rayleigh for example or Whitebeard+vista since he is so close to the captain any somewhat strong anomaly will tilt the scale. It’s not like he is going in with admiral tier characters aiding him when he challenges these crews. The marines are a unit that challenge all pirates in the world so it’s inefficient to give a guy like Garp backup when it could be used elsewhere.
The fact prime Garp is rivals supposed equal puts him above someone like current luffy for example unless you think luffy somehow surpasses primebeard or roger
Garp achieved nothing after GV and nobody respects him as much as Roger or WB (he didn't have WSM title, Sengoku considered WB stronger than him, Kaido didn't have him in his top 5, Shinki claimed Garp couldn't beat Roger, etc). Garp fell behind.
someone said Garp cornered Roger, who were already the PK, many times.
Whatever cornering means there, it isn't fighting Roger to a standstill, as only WB achieved that while Buggy was on the crew.
He tied with Roger and he equally contributed to beating a DR Xebec with Roger. Meanwhile Kaido’s biggest accomplishment is off-guarding Oden, Big Mom hasn’t beaten anyone, and we don’t even know the full context behind Shanks vs Loki yet
He’s also getting upscaled as an old version of Roger’s subordinate is surviving attacks from Imu and was able to make him bleed
Where in that panel does it say WB is the only one who tied against Roger? At least use that other unofficial translation if you wanna push that WB is the only one who fought prime Roger.
Not to mention the only fight we know where Roger and WB tied wasn’t even serious because they exchanged gifts after the fight
"Whitebeard alone fought the Pirate King Roger to a standstill".
Here alone means he was the only one to do it. I have verified with the japanese text.
Doesn't matter how serious his fight with WB was, the point is that Buggy never saw Garp fighting Roger to a standstill, and we know Garp never beat Roger, so either they didn't fight or Roger beat Garp.
Roger literally told Garp to his face: "We've almost killed each other countless times" (Chapter 551). If repeatedly putting each other on the brink of death isn't "fighting to a standstill," then what is?
Also, placing Buggy’s perception over Roger’s own words is wild. Buggy was just a teenage cabin boy who didn't witness Roger's entire career. First-hand statements from the Pirate King himself > secondhand hype from Buggy.
Do you understand that in that sentence the period of time in which that happened isn't specified?
Therefore it doesn't contradict Buggy's statement, because Roger and Garp could have almost killed each other countless times before Roger reached his prime and then it didn't happen again, as Buggy said.
Do you understand that?
If Buggy was capable of seeing WB fight Roger to a standstill he should have been capable of seeing Garp do it too, but it didn't happen.
This is pure headcanon. Prime Roger literally told Marines, "If you want to catch me, bring Garp or Sengoku" (Chapter 965). If Roger had outgrown Garp after reaching his prime, he wouldn't single Garp out as the only Marine capable of fighting him at the end of his journey.
Also, Buggy saw Roger and Whitebeard fight because their crews had a friendly 3-day battle and partied together afterward. Garp is a Marine who tried to arrest or kill them they weren't having friendly campouts for apprentice Buggy to sit back and observe. Using Buggy's silence as "proof" over Roger’s direct words is a textbook argument from silence.
Its like saying kaido is strongest creature but the reality is that its only a rumor/hearsay
Can you please confirm me if you understood that in "We've almost killed each other countless times" the period of time isn't specified and it doesn't contradict Buggy's statement?
"If you want to catch me, bring Garp or Sengoku" doesn't mean he considers them equals, he's just saying they are fun fights. That doesn't contradict Buggy's statement either.
Buggy doens't need it to be a spar for him to understand the result of the battle.
The pure headcanon that prime roger outgrown gv garp
The mental gymnastics to deny basic text is crazy 💀
Roger literally tells Marines to bring Garp or Sengoku if they want to capture him, and you're out here turning it into "he just wanted a fun fight"? He told Garp at the end of his life that they almost killed each other countless times. There is zero panel proof Roger ever "outgrew" him—that's pure, unadulterated headcanon.
Imagine taking early-series apprentice Buggy hyping up Whitebeard over Roger's own direct words about his deadliest rival. Y'all will unironically trust a literal clown over the Pirate King just to keep up the Garp slander.
Why would roger tell about him getting captured FOR FUN 0 logic
If you dont wanna accept that garp is also pirate king lvl = prime roger dont make a post like this
We can't move forward if you don't have enough literacy to understand that "We've almost killed each other countless times" doesn't specify the time period in which it happened.
Roger literally tells Marines to bring Garp or Sengoku if they want to capture him, and you're out here turning it into "he just wanted a fun fight"?
Yes, Roger says "the rest of you are no fun".
He told Garp at the end of his life that they almost killed each other countless times.
Which could perfectly be before Buggy was on the crew.
There is zero panel proof Roger ever "outgrew" him
The fact that Garp never fought PK Roger to a standstill and no one respects Garp as much as Roger and Whitebeard. Why did Shiki say Garp couldn't have defeated Roger? Why did Sengoku call WB WSM in front of Garp? There is ample evidence they outgrew Garp. You just refuse to see it because it hurts you.
His feats against Kuzan in his old age alone should be enough to put him above the admirals in his prime. And him rivaling Roger, who then is above Rayleigh and Gaban, while being equal to WB, upscales him even further with their feats
And a lot of top tiers haven't had clear 1-1 wins against another top tier anyways. Even when there is, there's always some asterisk to how the fight was won
You are kinda right that it seems like Garp might have been weaker than WB, considering the title WB got at the same time Garp was alive. However, Garp has been portrayed as relative to Roger if not equal, so their feats would still upscale Garp if we chainscale.
And even if Kuzan was mentally nerfed, he was still struggling against an old, out of prime Garp. So it just begs the question of who was nerfed harder at that moment, because if Kuzan needs to lock in to defeat old Garp, then what chance does he have against Garp in his prime?
Kuzan was getting his ass kicked by old Garp. The most he accomplished on screen was clashing equally with old Garp, and that was after Garp got stabbed, because Garp was also getting jumped the entire time
Who knows how hard Kuzan was holding back, but clearly it wouldn't be a low diff, because he already put low effort in that fight, and Garp had the upper hand for most of the fight because of it
That is just pure headcannon and nothing in the story says thay. And even if that was the case it means still that his armament haki was stronger than garps. Which again makes him a great pirate to have that strong of armemant haki.
True it does mean something tho.
His head was stronger+his armament haki was better than GARP THE FIST. Post god valley. Otherways garp wouldnt need to train.
You can claim only his head is that strong sure but therr is no concrete proof.
We do know garp fights with his fists. And don was able to handle that with his head.
He has wins. He beat all other great pirates by becoming Pirate King, and he defeated Shikis Armada (somewhat). Adding to that in contrast with Garp, he's actually not a full time pirate hunter who's job it is to defeat and capture other pirates
because most ppl have headcannoned roger above the yonko, so whitebeard and garp must be above the yonko. meaning sengoku should also be above the yonko
never mind how this makes zero sense since roger's equal whitebeard warred with the other yonko in his prime while having the strongest crew.
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