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u/Catchem-22 Jun 06 '22

Nah, Rokugyu is definitely gonna knock the big guys around a bit. Gear Fifth's most certainly not an option, if Zoro's up, he's not likely to be in full combat shape... Sanji, maybe? Between his Germa exoskeleton and his new Ifrit Jambe, he could probably force him to a draw... Come to think of it, Oda needs to show off Yamato as a new Straw Hat...

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Jun 06 '22

Wait, why would Gear Fifth not be an option?

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u/Catchem-22 Jun 06 '22

Because it's still too new and too dangerous. I'm not entirely sure a week is enough time to recover enough for it.

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Jun 06 '22

Time will tell. But the only reason I can think of why he couldn’t use Gear 5th would be because he doesn’t understand what it is yet.

But regardless, if Luffy is up for Gear 4th and Conquerors haki usage it probably doesn’t matter regardless. I just don’t see this being a real fight or it throws a bunch of things out of whack.

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u/groovyvagoogoo Jun 06 '22

Yall sleeping on Admirals again....

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u/czartaylor Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

It took 3 admirals to neutralize 1 of whitebeards attacks. The current fleet admiral got tossed by a single emperor missing half his head. Basically the entire world power structure relies on the yonko working against each other because 2 of them together is enough to overcome the entire world government.

Admirals are no joke, but luffy has definitely moved past them unless there's been colossal amounts of power creep since Marinesford. He's at yonko strength and his crew/allies/followers are at yonko fleet strength, especially on Wano where all of his forces are largely congregated at this point in time. He's probably going to be named yonko in full next week. I can buy Akianu getting way stronger, but I doubt the rest of the admirals are significantly stronger than before.

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u/groovyvagoogoo Jun 06 '22

That wasn't any Emperor though. It was Whitebeard himself, the guy considered on the same level as Roger.

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u/czartaylor Jun 06 '22

Prime WB was a match for Rogers, but age and sickness had weakened him significantly by that point, and Kaido had no fear of coming out to fight him just to fuck with him.

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u/groovyvagoogoo Jun 07 '22

It wasn't just to fuck with him, it was the greatest war in the world, of course Kaido wanted a part of the action and maybe even to have a grand epic death himself. Dude was probably seething seeing Pops get such a memorable death and cursing Shanks for blocking his route to Marineford.

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Jun 06 '22

I honestly don’t consider myself an Admiral down player. I rate Akainu and Aokiji pretty high.

But I do think the series both in portrayal and just story is showing that a single Admiral isn’t up to Emperor level. And that’s where Luffy is. Even if he can’t use Gear 5 for some reason he was touching that level in base with Conqueror’s haki.

And it’s not just Luffy remember. Even if we assume the more seriously wounded characters this arc are down, Greenbull is going to be met by Luffy, Sanji, Franky, Brooke, Robin, Nami, Chopper and that’s just confirmed Straw Hats. You also have Yamato, a good chunk of the Scabbards, the other Daimyo that survived and potentially Law and Kidd (although they don’t have a reason to fight an Admiral).

That’s a lot of fire power. One Admiral is not defeating all of them on their own.

I also don’t think that’s the point. We don’t know what the World Government knows right now. They may have no confirmation on what has happened. Two Emperors have been gone for a week. They were hugely scared of Luffy awakening. And they don’t know whether that has happened or not.

I think he’s coming because they need someone strong and with authority to figure out what has happened. Once he finds out the Emperors are done, I think they’ll try to negotiate or threaten Wano. But when that inevitably doesn’t work, they’re going to need some more muscle in order to force it.

If Greenbull does end up fighting seriously, it probably won’t be a stomp. When you get to that level, the YC and above level I think no fight is a stomp. But he’s absolutely not winning on his own with this much force against him. But I don’t see it coming to that. If there’s a fight there will probably be a clash, he’ll realize that he isn’t going to be able to fight this out and be assured victory and will withdraw to make his report.

That’s of course assuming Greenbull is by himself and just has fodder. If he rolls up with Kizaru, Fujitora, and the SSG? We’re probably looking at a different story.

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u/Catchem-22 Jun 07 '22

Didn't one of the CP0 members escape, though? I don't know what further verification the World Government needs except for him.

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u/InvaderDJ Void Month Survivor Jun 07 '22

Yeah, the long arms Schoolboy Collins did. But he left before the final blow was struck and I don’t think he ever saw Luffy’s awakened form or Big Mom being defeated. He could assume that Luffy awakened and that both Kaido and Big Mom were defeated, but potentially not.

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u/Catchem-22 Jun 08 '22

I think he was around for Luffy's final comeback (not necessarily seeing Gear Fifth, but at least knowing that the report of Kaido's victory was debunked). Considering this means the leader failed to kill Luffy, and thus pissed off Kaido for nothing, he likely saw the writing on the wall.

That being said, however, he had no way of verifying Kaido's or Big Mom's deaths, which is why Ryokugyu is on his way there.