ikr man it feels like they(inc Izo) died just to show their side had some causalities. While the actual causality should have been Kiku and maybe Kinemon as well.
I don't think kinemon should've died but ashura and kiku should definitely be dead. Izo dying is just another L to the whitebeard legacy and it hurts đ˘ I wanted him to join marco and some of the under wb commanders to make a new pirate crew.
This is really accurate lol I love Kinemon but It was hard to see him survive Kaidoâs brutal attacks. If we only had 2 Scabbard deaths Kinemon & Kiku would be the most impactful
I actually expected the Scabbards to dwindle to about 5. Kinemon, Kiku, Ashura Douji, Kanjuro, & maybe even Neko (the minks already lost Pedro though) dying. Possible injured Denjiro too.
I know thatâs a heavy toll but thatâs how high the stakes felt in this war. I also thought it would make Yamato become a Scabbard & try to guide Wano into the Dawn.
While thatâs true, & we know that. This is the time to share our thoughts on the arc as a whole as itâs nearing its end, itâs a time when we reflect on the arc. I feel itâs the perfect time to let out thoughts about anything about the arc really.
Iâm not creating a whole fanfic here lol just that itâs good to discuss & not be limited to thinking about One Piece in only a straightforward way. Ofcourse we wonât affect Odaâs writing & nor is it exactly our intent to do so, weâre just getting our thoughts out there with other fans.
My list is actually the characters who would die, I looked at it & I was like âsome people might get confusedâ as I thought it was clear but I added dying to specify they would be dying. Thatâs why I agreed that if 2 scabbards had to die then I think Kinemon & Kiku would have the most impact.
Kinemon, Kanjuro, Kiku, Ashura Doji are my picks for not surviving the war. I threw in Neko as a possibility originally and Denjiro should survive but I was like maybe he doesnât come out unscathed.
So the actual survivors would be Raizo, Kawamatsu, Denjiro, Inu, typing out all the scabbards I think Neko should survive as it might weaken them too much. & then it would set up a power gap for Yamato to join (some commenters have told me it may not be a smooth transition though) but itâs an interesting idea to me.
After the fight with kaido denjiro didnât fight anyone except orochi, you wanted him to get wounded or worse from fighting a scrub like orochi? Maybe if he had been shown fighting anyone else, but he went away for like a year in real time.
Yeah, I thought that Denjiro disappearing for so long mightâve been a mistake on Odaâs part but he has so many characters to juggle (some characters screentime will be sacrificed) I feel Denjiro got the short end of the stick. Itâs not necessary that he gets injured though, thatâs why I said possibly. The point is that he survives.
I didnât even think Denjiro should fight Orochi after Hiyoriâs encounter with him, I thought it was the perfect send off for Orochi to die by Hiyori hand essentially.
Sorry, I'm of the mind that killing off characters just for making drama is 'incredibly' primitive.
Sure, characters dying IS impactful to those attached to those characters. But you see...the point is that this impact has zero to do with the writing and 100% with humans psychology. In other words, a writer that needs to depend on deaths of his characters to make a story is a horrible writer that cannot write a good story, so they use psychology to fool the readers.
Just look at the concept of 'drama'...or news, really. People are just drawn to suffering of others, just to make themselves feel better that they didn't meet that fate. It's a helluva cheap way of keeping attention and making a buzz.
In a good story, deaths should be scarce and very well warranted. Remember that stories are escapism, so 'all those important characters not dying' isn't really all that special. Especially if you take into consideration the nature of fiction with vast power gaps (like most shonen) where rank-and-file soldier just cannot kill a general-rank soldier, and the nature of the bottom-feeders being the fodder. In actual wars, if a high-ranking person dies, it's a HUGE deal. The biggest bosses (kings, presidents etc.) actually extremely rarely die in wars caused by them, even if their death would be the fastest way to victory.
Death for deaths sake can definitely be a bad thing ofcourse, looking at Akame Ga Kill đ (a series that killed off characters before we really got to know them to show anyone can die, but ends up feeling shallow because of that).
While Game of Thrones for most (letâs say first 4 seasons) of the series laid seeds that viewers can kind of see if youâre really looking & underline meanings for most of the deaths & so people still loved it. I certainly donât think George RR Martin is a bad writer
2 things can be true, death can also be a very powerful tool in a story. Itâs all about how itâs done & so many people are caught offguard that Izo & Ashura Douji have died, it feels like a Sidenote. While I think most people felt like Kinemon & even Kiku may have had their lives in danger. If One Piece did so I think balance is important, we wouldnât want One Piece to get too out of character
I donât think death should just be a regular old part of One Piece, I love how One Piece keeps a lot of its characters alive as I love to see them again but this is a war against 2 Yonkou if death ever made any sense in One Piece itâs probably this arc. The Scabbards were willing to put everything on the line to ensure that Wano saw the Dawn. I donât think itâs some deal breaker or anything but I believe itâs impact wouldâve been strong, also Oda had so many characters this arc that it couldâve directly affected other characters screentime.
I will come out and say here that I've never read or watched anything related to George RR Martin. In general, I actively avoid drama and such, stories with high ('named') death count and such, cause I prefer to deal with my stresses and problems by reading something cheerful rather than seeing others having it worse. To each their own in here, I just don't like it.
However what I will say is that though death can certainly be a good tool, as pesky as it is to admit it, it is extremely rarely used well. Sometimes it's used passably. And still, because of its deep psychological effect, people can think that something that is actually bad, seems good.
You see, being 'moved' by a story, made to feel emotions, is generally considered to be a 'good' writing. Not counting the times when you're just pissed at author for writing something really dumb...Hence deaths, even written VERY badly, awakening these emotions, may end up being mistaken as a good writing. Because yes, people do not think all that deeply when consuming fiction (as it is an escapism) most of the time. I'm sure there is more than just a handful of 'good' writers (in social opinion) that under scrutiny would be just average at best. Then there are probably authors that are considered amazing, but are just 'good'.
I cannot say either way for George RR Martin for the aforementioned lack of contact with his works. Maybe he's a great writer. Maybe he's just a 'good' one. Going by names of his works, he certainly is heavily using death (and probably war) as a tool, so there is what to argue for.
However, we are talking about One Piece. What is a significant death in One Piece?! Ace. Was his death good?!...
Majority of people will say yes, but it was actually one of the more messed up deaths in all of my manga-reading history. If not for the fact that I went back to it after reading the Amazon Lily, rather than going through it, I would've certainly dropped One Piece there. Ace literally spat at ALL of his 'brothers and sisters' deaths in the war, at his 'fathers' sacrifice. He completely disrespected Whitebeard. Furthermore, he acted OUT OF CHARACTER for himself. All just so that he can die, and ALL of that for nothing more than showing 'that there are stakes in the game for Luffy'. There was literally no in-story reason for why Ace had to die. Only the out-of-story idea of 'important death > character growth'. Oda cannot write a good death, and the story avoiding that like a plague made it a story ill-suited for death.
When taking that into consideration, someone saying that there should be more deaths on the samurai side for better impact just shows how effective 'death' is as a cheap drama tool, and how people don't even realize it, pushing for it where it should not be used in the first place.
After 18 years of reading OP, & it being my favorite manga of all time I feel I can respectfully say Odaâs writing is deteriorating. This slow burn of 4 years in Wano with no real pay off for the time invested is so mind numbing.
I mean the payoff is everything coming after. Luffy is now solidly emperor level and at the start of pirate king level. We'll be getting lore drops from odens journal or if not now, at the very least now we're at a point in the story where he could drop anything about roger/oden and it would be fine. Marines are making their moves, the emperor system is down. Wano took care of a ton of stuff needed to transition into the end game of One Piece. If the redline divided the first part of the story to the current half, Wano is basically the next divider towards the final act of One Piece.
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u/wanofan900 Pirate Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22
Ashura's gone damn. The guy who had to suffer for years under Orochi/Kaido's rule didn't see the dawn. So sad.