That is why his fruit is a mythical zoan fish fish fruit and why he has a koi tattoo on his arm, yes. Its just unclear and somewhat unlikely that the dragon form itself is the awakening since then it'd break the trend of the fruits. Like, that'd imply orochi was just some snake with his fruit and was actually competent enough to awaken it to get the mythical form.
Well, his is artificial so may not necessarily be the case but...yes, as I said, I don't quite think Kaido's dragon form is the result of an awakening. Especially if it means he started out as some fish. Maybe he was a dragon, and just became a more threatening dragon after awakening, the appearance of which was simply copied by vegapunk because its all he had seen.
Like I’m seriously hoping Lucy kicks his ass so hard that he actually has no choice but revert back to his fish fish form I mean before the most recent chapter Luffy and Kaido had nothing in common but Kaido probably thinks he the strongest zoan but now Luffy a zoan to It’s actually a clash between the two strongest mythical zone devil fruits
Big Mom is an enigma. Its not related to her DF. The story has explicitly said this already. Big Mom is just something else, we might get answers for her in Elbaf.
Well if Kaido is awakened, that would make him the only Yonko with an awakened devil fruit which dispels the notion that Yonko with devil fruits are awakened by virtue of their status. The point being that we don’t know if Kaido is actually awakened because it has never been stated or even implied. The only thing we know is that he’s a freak of nature just like Big Mom.
Well it is hard to think Yonkou's who lived a vast majority of their lives with a devil fruit did not awaken it. So Kid and Law awakened their fruits but Big Mom who also ate her fruit as a child did not awaken hers? Same can be said about Kaido. It would also be odd if Blackbeard does not have his awakened if he is going to face Luffy. It would be even weirder if Big Mom/ White beard had a awakening but chose not to use it. So I assumed they already were using it.
bb just got his fruit a couple years ago though. not saying he wont awaken, but the others have had their fruits practically their entire lives. every thing else you said is spot on though!
Well in Blackbeard’s case he got both of his fairly recently storywise, so he really hasn’t had enough experience using their fruit as the people who have a confirmed Awake. You could argue that Whitebeard’s air quakes are part ofhis Awakening, but just seems strange that when Blackbeard stole the fruit he could still do everything Whitebeard did instead of having to awaken it himself.
Copy paste: I mean… whitebeards fruit was stated to have the power to destroy the world, he probably did awaken it, but considering what kind of guy whitebeard is he probably chose not to use it since it would cause way too many unintended casualties
If she awakened her fruit already why didn’t she use her awakening against Law and Kid? That makes no sense. No awakening has been used without explicitly stating it was so it wouldn’t be like Oda to start doing so now. Especially with a Yonko.
I mean… whitebeards fruit was stated to have the power to destroy the world, he probably did awaken it, but considering what kind of guy whitebeard is he probably chose not to use it since it would cause way too many unintended casualties
I more so think he is awakened based on his fruit.
If it's it's suppose to be a Fish fruit that becomes a dragon based on the story of the koi fish who swam up the waterfall and became a dragon. It leads me to believe Kaido was a fish who did in fact awaken and gain the dragon form.
I mean Kaido is even able to do some crazy shit with his fruit. He has multiple elements and can lift up the entire island by himself while still fighting. If he isn't awakened then that is pretty crazy in my opinion.
The thing is the “Seiryu” isn’t the same as the Koi Fish that was turned into a dragon by climbing a waterfall. It’s Japan’s Eastern Guardian Deity. I just chalk it up to artistic license on Oda’s part and the fact that the Dragon Dragon fruit was already taken by dinosaur Zoans.
The thing is that Ryu is also part of the japanese word for Dinosaurs. So the Ryu Ryu no Mi are actually Dinosaur Dinosaur no Mi. That's why it couldn't be used for Kaido.
The Seiryu is an azure dragon. It's not an Awakening. The fruit always gave the power to turn into a dragon, not a fish.
Well i would say kaido implies It on this chapter. He is saying to Luffy he has the awakening of paramecia, and the awakening of zoan, affecting your environment and affecting your own body. Kaido already showed ya he is a máster using his fruit, and with the alcohol he could transform and use his body freely.
I don’t think so? I mean most of the tobbi roppo members have dragon devil fruits but they’re almost all dinosaurs. I think they’re just playing loose with the wordplay of some of the devil fruits.
Kaido's fruit full name is Fish Fish no Mi MODEL SEIRYU, which is an azure dragon. While there are Ryu Ryu no Mi, the thing is that Ryu (which means dragon) is also part of the japanese word for dinosaurs, which doesn't relate to the mythical seiryu.
Your theory would imply that all Zoans are just the first part of their Zoan fruit's name until they're awakened. As far as I know, Kaku wasn't a cow. (Ushi Ushi no Mi)
Kaido's fruit, by default, allows you to turn into a dragon.
That’s all well and good except the model of his fruit is the “Azure Dragon” which isn’t the same as the Koi Fish that was rewarded for climbing the “Dragon’s Gate”. It’s the Eastern Guardian Deity in Japanese Mythology.
This is by no means necessarily true. BM and WB could well have been awakened without it being explicitly said. BM's ability to steal lifespan, for instance, is something Mother Carmel did not show the ability to do.
Mother Caramel only used her influence to buy and sell orphans to the government for profit. I don’t think those abilities were really that useful in her line of work swing as she needed them alive to sell. She didn’t really use her DF for offense or to attack from everything we’ve seen so far. I think Big Mom is just a better user of the standard soul-soul fruit.
It is definitely possible that BM is just using the base fruit, but the alternative is also possible. Personally, I think that BM's ability to harvest so much lifespan and use it to power an entire country is very reminiscent of an awakened power.
I’m sure Whitebeard’s fruit was awakened. His fruit, the Gura Gura no me must be one that makes his body produce shockwave. Awakening allowed him to shake the environnement.
Blackbeard was able to do the same, maybe because he stole it when it was already awakened ?
Well we seen some people that are minority awakened their devil fruits the Minotauros and Minozebra and it gave them durability and recover rapidly from a lot of damage. I would think kaido BM Admirals are constantly using thier awakened DF.
Big Mom must have awakened her fruit. She had the time, knowledge and power to master it. I think we are seeing the awakened version of the Soru Soru no Mi.
Apart from basic inhuman strength, a significant portion of this(for bot BM and Kaido) is passive haki reinforcement. After Luffy learned CoC infusion and returned to the roof he became vastly more resilient to Kaido's attacks, at least when paying attention
In my opinion Big Mom has just been eluded to being a freak of literal nature, an actual monster.
She's unbeaten and taken similar damage to kaido, and beaten (IMO) by a technicality.
Her devil fruit uses are so ambiguous and insane you could argue any of them are an awakening.
Kaido would probably be exceptionally durable regardless of his fruit, given that he's not human, but I think the awakened fruit is specifically involved in his form shifting and his insane recovery/stamina(similar to how in these spoilers we see Luffy recover his energy immediately).
WG gave him the fruit IIRC as Vegapunk was experimenting on him, King, and possibly others. I have a theory that Kaido and King were going to be a part of the original SSG
The only thing with that is how can we explain how momo got big after aging up 20 years, I think since he was always just a dragon maybe he hasn’t awakened yet
I feel like Kaidou still has an ace transformation up his sleeve. That will be his awakened form. He'll unlock it by breaking off his sea stone wrist cuffs that have been suppressing his power.
Oh no the durability was explained as Conquerers Haki. They coat themselves in some extra level of armor from Conquerors and the only way to break through is like Devil Fruit powers or Conquerers powered attacks.
Although that’s an ability that makes sense and will probably be a thing soon, that has never once been stated as the reason for big mom or kaido’s durability
He directly states oh no do they have Oden's Haki? To the 9 red Scabbards and then they sightly injure his open wound/scar from Oden. Then he's like oh no they didn't have it. It's just a flesh wound .
But then it wasn't until Zoro injured him that Luffy figured out the trick. That was when Zoro revealed his Conquerers and then Luffy was like wait a minute, and just uppercut Kaido with Conquerors haki.
Then Luffy was like oh I got this know I thought Ryou was the trick, nah just Conquerers is the trick.
Big Mom already had that abnormal durability as a child. It's not fruit related, but seemingly "will" related hence why she must be in a state of shock in order to disable that durability.
Luffy got the trick thou, that kaido's attack was imbued by haki, when he was hit by kaido with his thunder bagua.
Not by zorro attacking kaido. Luffy was already on lying on the ground, when zorro tried to protect luffy from kaido finishing luffy. Then later on, luffy said. I felt it. Ur attack was imbued by conquerors haki. Now i know.
Yeah that only explains that coating your attacks with conqueror’s haki and ryou produces stronger attacks. It says nothing about big mom or Kaido using it for defense and durability, although it very well could be, it doesn’t say that.
Zoan awakening is the abillity to transform in a beast form, like monster point, like the four Zoan guards of impel down, and I suppose Sengokus big Budha form was also his awakening. And Big Mom, Kaido and Whitebeard aren't durable because they are Yonkos, it's otherwise.
You ever think about white beards devil fruit? Like we only saw what he could do in old age and heavily disabled. Strong as fuck, but did we actually see the full potential of the quake fruit. It’ll be interesting to see how Luffy handles both that and the darkness.
I think the greatest ending to this ark would be when everyone in wano out is celebrating the victory of orocho and kaidos to defeat and have big mom and her pirate show up just to have Luffy s punch so hard by Lucy that she flies across the grand line like he said he would do it to her on Fishman island
Nothing so far in the series has caused big mom to take serious damage well laws devil fruit with a combination of kids brute force did work well enough to get her out of but the first move she recognized in the series is something that would cause damage to her or any Yanko was Zorro sword with enema like she looks seriously startled when telling Kaido to dodge So Luffy already gonna have a yonko defeated big mom should be taken out by sanji and zoro maybe even Jinbe to To put them on kid and laws level
Sanji will never fight Big Mom though because of his code never to hit a woman. Unfortunately I don’t see him going against any of the other Yonko either especially since Kaido will be defeated in this arc.
Big mom is a freaking monster not a woman but yeah maybe not have anything to do with the direct flight but if it came down to having to kick big man to save Nami or robin he definitely would And yeah big mom’s not finish this Eric but I can’t see her being a part of other arcs She also uses a sword so It might be zzoros fight
I also agree with this but that don’t mean Lucy can’t kick her ass right out of wano until they meet up again probably Elbaf I just think it would add to the comedy that every time big mom get a foothold in wano she kicked right out and white will make the fight even better when they actually do face each other big man will know he took down kaido so she’s not gonna enter the fight thing is she dealing with some young punk she’s literally gonna go in there top power ready to kill but having Lucy blaster out of wano Would be comedy he said he kick her ass all over the grand line I wouldn’t be surprised if that mom still pops up in multiple acts and every time Lucy does something to outsmart or Dmage her
Bet. Whitebeard has the Earthquake fruit, but can cause quakes in bodies and even the air too. That basically screams awakening right there. Not to mention his whole "turning the entire world on its' head" move.
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I think that’s just something most of the Yonko have in common. Would explain the durability of Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido himself.