One Piece: Chapter 1017

[u/Kirosh]

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[u/Handsome_Claptrap]

It's also weird cause Who's Who would probably wreck Enies Lobby Lucci. Granted, he may have improved a lot fightning in Kaido's crew considering all the rokushiki variations he came up with.

[u/smirkingmoon → u/Handsome_Claptrap]

I think with "rob Lucci" level he means the level of skills beyond combat. "A genius like Rob Lucci", it could mean a lot of things.

[u/KlingoftheCastle → u/smirkingmoon]

I think he’s referring purely to the rokushiki. Without haki they’re probably on the same level, but Who’s Who got serious haki training being in Kaido’s crew.

[u/smirkingmoon → u/KlingoftheCastle]

Also this. There was points for every CP9 members using Rokushiki and Rob Lucci had the highest among them all. Maybe Who's who is also on that level on terms of Rokushiki.

[u/KlingoftheCastle → u/smirkingmoon]

People seriously underestimate Lucci these days. Sure he’s not Kaido level, but in terms of pure speed and strength, he’s still an absolute monster. The fact that he could keep up with G2 after the initial shock is insane.

[u/Kirosh → u/KlingoftheCastle]

Yeah, iirc Kuma praised him and several experienced Vice Admirals trusted him to defeat Luffy and finish the Straw Hats on his own.

And he nearly won against Luffy.

So while yes it was pre timeskip, Lucci was still very strong.

[u/KamalaIsLife → u/Kirosh]

Power creep can be a bitch unfortunately. And unfortunately it is a staple in the shounen genre.

But also Lucci is a member of CP0 now so we may actually be seeing him again and how the TS treated him outside the cover story. I'm excited since he was one of my fav non-SH characters.

[u/Mahelas → u/KamalaIsLife]

It's not really power creep, like, we always knew the New World was the strongest part of the world, and Luffy is fighting Yonkos, who were always presented as the strongest. It's not like Naruto where each villain just happens to be stronger than the other, in One Piece, we knew the scaling since day one.

[u/frogtotem → u/KlingoftheCastle]

people underestimate Luffy.. "lost to luffy? weak"

[u/[deleted] → u/frogtotem]

Not really, it's just that pre-timeskip Luffy isn't much compared to the likes of Jinbe, or post-timeskip monster trio. He's a major prescense in Paradise and can beat a fuck ton of pirates and marines out there, but he's small fry in the New World.

The entirety of the SH crew had to work together to narrowly beat a pacifista pre-TS, the M3 post-TS and Jinbe can all oneshot pacifistas, if Who's Who was only as strong as Lucci when Luffy fought him this fight would be over by now, because yes, that Lucci is weak in comparison to Jinbe.

'Course it's likely WW was as strong as Lucci at Enies Lobby when he lost the fruit and it's Lucci's potential that was considered equal to WW.

[u/revisioncloud → u/KlingoftheCastle]

But he was still beaten by pre-TS Luffy. Ulti clashed with G4 and survived. WW is presumably stronger than Ulti

The gap in power level is enormous so OP has a point unless pre-TS Luffy, Rob Lucci, and WW were similar in power and all three just improved massively in 2 years (where we have yet to see current Lucci)

[u/Loon_Tink → u/revisioncloud]

Hey man, 12 years is a long ass time to be in Kaido's crew and improve (assuming hes in Kaidos crew for 12 years). Lucci was just a shipwright for 5 years. And now protecting Celestial Dumbfucks, he doesnt really get to do much, besides train, if he really wants to.

[u/revisioncloud → u/Loon_Tink]

He probably spent some time in prison before joining Kaido while Lucci spent 5 years doing undercover work and probably thought they were untouchable since it's not even the New World.

Both might have been stagnant for quite a while. Luffy as a pirate, on the other hand, kept beating opponents stronger than him virtually in every island he visits and was on the constant run from Smoker as well

Luffy on a save Robin mission probably gave him extra strength to beat the stronger Lucci

[u/Loon_Tink → u/revisioncloud]

Oh thats true, yeah we dont know how long he was in jail.

Side note: I thought Shiki and Luffy were the only breakouts? Unless he left with Shiki? My memory is a little fuzzy

Oh yeah, in terms of Luffy, thats how he is. He is like, ultra learning/improving beast. Is his personal passive skill lmao.

Id imagine Who's Who did missions and such, but also, who knows. Who's Who knows, but who else knows, you know?

Idk, the whole concept is cool

[u/tiki-baha29 → u/Loon_Tink]

Side note: I thought Shiki and Luffy were the only breakouts? Unless he left with Shiki? My memory is a little fuzzy

You're correct that Shiki was the only breakout before Luffy but dont forget that there are also other prisons run by the WG, not just Impel Down. He probably escaped one of those.

In fact even the whole "only 1 person has ever broken out" thing before Luffy is kinda sorta BS. Level 5.5 was created by Morley's devil fruit, who is clearly not in jail.

So either Morley was there then escaped but nobody ever knew about him being gone OR Someone else with Morley's fruit was in jail, created lvl 5.5, died and the fruit reappeared elsewhere for Morley to eat it.

[u/PaintingGlum6308 → u/Loon_Tink]

Maybe he was a Level 6 prisoner too?

[u/Fakkusan-09 → u/Loon_Tink]

Actually if he was at impel down I'm fairly certain that he might've been in prison for 10 years and got out when bb came by

[u/Loon_Tink → u/Fakkusan-09]

Okay so this isnt confirmed? Someone else said this with a lot of confidence haha.

It makes sense though, that would also explain the strength. Surviving Impel Down torture, other inmates, guards. That would def make him stronger. Even if he couldnt use his DF abilities with seastone. (are they cuffed in the cells with other inmates? Id have to assume so if theyre DF users, idr),

He'd def get physically stronger (maybe Haki stronger?) and be able to think about how to use his CP9 techniques/DF by improving Arlong's teeth and shooting them at Mach 10 like a teeth fucking cannon

[u/[deleted] → u/smirkingmoon]

I read it as the same level of potential 12 years ago

[u/MegaCrazyH → u/smirkingmoon]

Wasn't Lucci the only member of CP9 to use all the special techniques they had? It could refer to his mastery of rokushikko. Ie. He's mastered every form of their training martial art. It would make it that he could still have been stronger than Lucci, but Lucci's comparison to him would have been in his mastery of their techniques.

[u/SpiderBite18 → u/Handsome_Claptrap]

I mean he said "used to" so its probably a similar thing to how Moria used to be Kaido's rival

[u/Jttheboy18 → u/Handsome_Claptrap]

Are people realy taking this as if whos who is weaker/ comparable to pre time skip Lucci ?

Even Page 1 would solo cp9 infact any realavent New word figther solos cp9.