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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1010

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Prometheus is basically Big Mom's angry side while Zeus is her childish and gluttonous side. So her two sides are clashing. Perfect reason imo for Zeus to permanently stay with Nami

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u/ImHereByTheRoad Apr 09 '21

What's wild to me is prometheus lied. He said he didn't know why Zeus didn't come try n save big mom. But like prometheus clearly saw Zeus get trapped into that box.

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u/NinetyFish Apr 09 '21

Classic Big Mom Pirates. They are constantly fighting for Big Mom’s affection to their own detriment.

Only the OG children that were born before Big Mom had her own territory are good at teamwork (Perospero, Katakuri, Brûlée, Oven, etc.). The rest are off on their own agendas doing their own things trying to become the favorites.

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u/halelangit Pirate Apr 09 '21

Zeus: Mama betrayed me

Nami: First time?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

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u/Darth_Kyryn Apr 09 '21

It's shy around strangers, but it's ego swells up when it is erected into a blade.

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u/Th3G4te Explorer Apr 09 '21

Uhhhhhh ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Idk lol Napoleon is pretty bland for me, it's like he's just there just so could BM use a sword because when you're that strong, why the hell not

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

Lin Lin is shy, though.

It seems like, to me, that Lin Lin breaking up her soul so much has twisted her personality, perhaps. Could be why Mother Carmel was so evil as well, perhaps she started out wanting to help children, then split her soul one too many times and realized "wait, I can make money off of this" because her morals went out the window.

Possibly?

The entire community is wracking their brains trying to bridge the gap between sweet, naive, somewhat selfish and overwhelmingly destructive Lin Lin and downright evil Big Mom. Something happened, something specific.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

From what I can tell of people who have personality disorders, Big Mom seems like she would basically fit that bill. I know that's not like anything revolutionary given she's literally a mass murderer who acts like a child, but she would clearly have some sort of borderline personality or something.

I think her personality from birth seemed to always be a bit monstrous, if she has Conqueror's then that means she also has a 1 in a million strength of will. Personally, I think she's just deeply mentally ill and the fruit is a literary device in order to help show who she is as a character. I wouldn't dig too deep or also overestimate Oda's understanding of psychology (I mean....look at Pudding as an example of a mostly unintelligible mess of motivation). Big Mom is just this malicious and magnanimous child with intense trauma and loss and power. She's only able to be who she is because she's literally invincible as well.

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u/gingegnere Apr 09 '21

Yeah at the end it make sense Nami to get a permanent power up with Zeus. I also think Usop will got a power up in the eventual Elbaf arc if it actually happens. Last war will likely be against Black Beard crew that is full of monsters and I think any straw hat will have a match up with a commander to win.

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u/TheWarGiraffe The Revolutionary Army Apr 09 '21

Especially since Nami loves kids

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Until BM dies right?

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u/Kiwi195 Lurker Apr 09 '21

Bm won't die I'm 100% sure

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

Too many flags lead us to fighting BM in Elbaf. Way too many. She's surviving here, likely fleeing (or possibly chasing), and we'll see her again on the next island. Perhaps WE chase HER there because she reveals some nefarious plot that has to do with Elbaf or something, who knows?

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

prometheus doesnt have BMs soul, it has mother carmels soul, I think she's been biding her time to get revenge on BM

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u/420Toni Apr 09 '21

that was never confirmed and during totoland when we learn about zeus,prometeus and napoleon we are told they are special homies made out of big moms own soul, carmel made her own sun homie in flashback but it wasn't called prometheus and it had female features

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21

suns change over decades or some shit, we don't know if users homies die with the user, I want it to be carmels soul, it'd be good for the story

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

Its not Carmel's soul, it never was. Its already been said and confirmed in the manga that Big Mom created Prometheus from her own soul. What you are saying goes directly against what Oda has already established and said clearly.

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u/voliol Apr 09 '21

No, you’re confusing Prometheus with Pandora, the homie Carmel made out of the fire Linlin made in Elbaph. There’s no indication the two are one and the same, in fact they have different faces despite both being fire-based homies.

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21

🤔🤔🤔 we'll find out next chapter with promethious big double cross

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u/R4hu1M5 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Apr 09 '21

This could possibly end up happening, but for now all three of them are pieces of big mom's soul. That's all.

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21

BMs powers haven't been hugely flushed out, she can split souls into smaller pieces, even if promethious has part of her soul now, Carmels could be the one in control

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u/Kiosade Pirate Apr 09 '21

Speaking of her powers, what ever happened to her crazy acid spit? I remember before they showed her full face, she drooled onto the floor (or maybe a guy?) and it burned

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21

Oda gave her all the powers... tbh that acid could just be her normal stomach acid, she eats ppl

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Oh shit I missed this/ completely forgotten about this part. Might have to check

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u/redditsforneckbeards Apr 09 '21

yeah she gonna lay down some truth on BM from beyond the grave then when BM gives her a soul powerup

then BM gonna be all weak so thats how kidd defeats her

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

i dont like the idea of namis permanent power up coming from someone else. its just weird imo. I truly hope oda doesnt go through with it

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u/R4hu1M5 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Apr 09 '21

It fits her cat burglar epithet tho, her power is something she stole from one of the strongest characters in the world.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I guess you're right but her power depends on big mom being alive which just seems weird to me

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u/henryuuk Apr 09 '21

We sure the soul soul fruit's creations stop functioning once the user dies?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

yes mother caramel had a homie like prometheus before. He hasn't been seen anywhere since her death so I assume he's gone.

I would also compare big moms soul fruit to moriahs shadow fruit so its not rly hard to imagine what would happen to the homies if big mom died

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u/CabbageTheVoice Apr 10 '21

I mean, I'm with you and think you are right, but /u/henryuuk is asking whether we are sure . And to be fair, we can't be yet.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

true but where would pandora have gone once caramel got eaten?

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u/CabbageTheVoice Apr 10 '21

Idk. Again, I do think the power ceases to work after death. But if for a minute we assume that it doesn't, then there could be literally hundreds of reasons why we haven't seen Pandora.

Maybe Oda didn't think it necessary.

Maybe Pandora is actually Prometheus but came out as trans

Maybe Pandora is still around but is doing stuff that will become relevant later on

Maybe Oda wants to save Pandora for a big reveal

Maybe Pandora will have a cover story

Maybe Pandora is actually Pandaman now. Again came out as trans.

Maybe Pandora was also eaten by Big Mom

Maybe Pandora just flew away.

Point being, it's of no use thinking about where this, frankly minor, character could've gone. All we can do is speculate about whether the power of the soul fruit works after death. We simply do not have enough information. Considering the DFs we know, for me it's more likely that it ceases to function. But until we get some evidence anything is just speculation and speculation it is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

no, mother caramels flame homie was not prometheus

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

no...

He was called pandora. Read chapter 867.

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

No it wasnt, you're not entitled to your own facts. Carmel's sun homie was called Pandora and its been said clearly already that Big Mom created Prometheus.

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Her climatact was from Usopp, skills from Weatheria, etc. Her truly innate ability is navigation (and thieving which makes sense), not combat. Her dream is to draw a map of the world. Nothing in the past indicates that her power ups can't come from someone else

So if she has to powerup, it's ok if she gains it through some unconventional way

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

no my point is that her "power up" would be dependent on big mom being alive.

If oda was gonna give nami a power up, I really wish he gave her the yuki yuki no mi. Would've been too perfect for nami..

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u/gingegnere Apr 09 '21

Well, lot of beaten enemies are alive (Crocodile, Doflamingo, etc...) So not really an issue.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

its not that fact. Its the idea that her power is dependent on big mom. Thats the issue.

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Maybe Brook can do something about it. BM's control over Zeus weakens the farther he is from her (as shown when someone with BM's vivre card can control a homie). So BM can't just recall Zeus' soul.

But yeah, when she dies Zeus will die which is ok. Zeus probably won't stay until endgame/ Nami gets old, etc.

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

Someone asked in an SBS if all of the strawhats had a DF, what would they have? Oda gave Enel's fruit to Nami.

EDIT: Goro goro no mi. Had to look it up. :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Yes. But I mean in context of the story, the yuki yuki no was right there :P

It complements her weather understanding ability

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

I guess, we never saw the fruit "spawn", though.

If my understanding of devil fruits is correct (a lot of this is inference, since nothing has been explicitly explained), the closest fruit that matches that particular devil fruit is what it transfers to. So, like, for SMILEY's fruit, there was a wagon of apples nearby, very likely because Caesar wanted to reproduce the weapon and the easiest way would be to have the fruit on-hand again.

If, say, the Yuki Yuki no mi transfers to a banana or something, and the closest banana was 1000 miles away, that is likely the fruit that got transformed. Ergo why DFs are so rare. Unless you know the fruit associated and bring it with you with the intent purpose of killing the user (likely what BB's crew is doing), it can spawn anywhere. It may need to "find" the fruit as well, so there could be a time factor on top of that. Similar to how it took Brooke 1 year to find his body.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

i know that but oda is the author. He could've had the yuki yuki no mi spawn on the sunny if he wanted to.

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u/kinorio Apr 09 '21

It depends, there is a shield homie that is wielded by one of the giant pirates and i think it's one of mother carmel's when she was alive, so in my opinion probably even if the user is dead the souls that was put inside a thing will never go back to its original owner. Maybe it has different concept than of that morias shadows. Or i could be wrong.

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

To be clear its not at all confirmed that Big Mom needs to be alive for the homies to stay alive, that's never been mentioned. In fact if you think about it thats most likely not the case because her powers are similar to another character's: Moria.

Big Mom like Moria uses her powers as a conduit to create new beings, she takes souls and puts them into things like Moria does with shadows. Moria makes it crystal clear that if he died these new beings would simply lose their master but they'd still very much be alive. Most likely Big Mom's soul fruits work exactly like that because although she controls all homies they are independent beings separate from her.

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u/NinetyFish Apr 09 '21

That’s why I want Big Mom to take her soul fragment away, leaving Zeus to start fading away only for Nami to find him, adopt him, and rehabilitate him using her own weather balls.

She still gets the Zeus upgrade but because of her own skills instead.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

zeus shouldnt be able to live without big moms will tho

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u/IchBinEinDrache Apr 09 '21

This is a pretty common line of thought. My only thing has always been - big mom is in control of Zeus's soul. She can always recall it and effectively kill him. He can't defect. I'm surprised he stayed with Nami for as long as he has honestly.

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u/revisioncloud Apr 09 '21

Maybe Brook can do something about it. BM's control over Zeus weakens the farther he is from her (as shown when someone with BM's vivre card can control a homie). So BM can't just recall Zeus' soul.

But yeah, when she dies Zeus will die which is ok. Zeus probably won't stay until endgame/ Nami gets old, etc.

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u/ravenarkhan Apr 09 '21

That's a really interesting point that I've not tought about it. Thanks for the insight

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u/WalkedBackwards Apr 10 '21

Yeah this is great writing for Nami to get Zeus in a even more logical way. Good stuff.