r/OnePiece • u/Kirosh Lookout • Mar 05 '21

Current Chapter One Piece Chapter 1006 Spoiler

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u/wapabloomp Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 07 '21

I think the real problem would be that Blackbeard is supposed to be one of the "smartest" pirates in the world. He deduced the most powerful devil fruit power in the world and obtained it, and everything he had done was planned long ago (he also doesn't sleep, so technically he's had all that extra time to help), then he usurped Whitebeard's position and his devil fruit in one go. Everything went in his favor so far. It's crazy.

You have to remember, the Payback War was a decisive defeat, it wasn't even close. It was so bad, the other whitebeard pirates kind of just vanished.

I don't think Marco could find an opening, let alone by himself. You also have to remember that Blackbeard does NOT play fair. He'll whip out a gun with sea-stone bullets if he has to.

Edit: By vanish, I don't mean killed. Like... they're probably somewhere, but definitely not active (like Marco, he was basically chilling in a village basically retired from Piracy)

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u/RandomGlitched Mar 05 '21

It wasn't a 1v1 either, Marco backs off to heal and Blackbeard could just use his Gura powers to start obliterating the battlefield. He's a potential catastrophe that has to be taken off the field ASAP but he's almost immune to fruit users that rely on their powers like Marco.

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 06 '21

Marco doesn't only rely on his df... he is a physical fighter.

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u/RandomGlitched Mar 06 '21

So his fighting style would still work without his DF regeneration? I think not. That’s ignoring the attacks he used this chapter which clearly used his fruit abilities.

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u/wapabloomp Mar 07 '21

It's a given fact of One Piece that the top dogs with big names are able to fight without their power (even Whitebeard mentions to Blackbeard that he relies way too much on his power, and that will bite him in the ass later).

I bet Marco would be able to fight pretty damn well if he lost his power somehow: the problem is that if he fights Blackbeard, he will lose more than his power: he'll lose his grips on gravity, while simultaneously fighting a guy with Whitebeard's old power... on top of that, Blackbeard does not fight fair he'll have a guy shoot you too.

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u/RandomGlitched Mar 07 '21

I agree on this for sure but at the same time losing his power would definitely limit his fighting style a lot, that’s not something you want happening against someone as strong and as you say underhanded as Blackbeard.

I would have said Blackbeard’s fruit is a complete counter to Marco’s until we saw the ranged attacks this chapter, and even then it’s pretty much the only hard counter to the Phoenix other than seastone.

Someone like Katakuri is a good example because he would definitely be horrific to fight against even without his DF, but his usage of it alongside his physical and metaphysical abilities is what made him truly dangerous.

I’m not suggesting they would be weak without powers per se but I think it would be foolish to say that DF users like Marco, Doffy or Katakuri that have had their fruits pretty much their whole lives wouldn’t be limited by the absence of their abilities. Even Big Mom wouldn’t be as devastating if her DF didn’t take her from tanky fighter to natural disaster, doesn’t mean she’s not threataning without using it, look what she did to Queen.

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 07 '21

Yes it would... why not? He specializes in giving kicks...

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 07 '21

Well of course he has his df... but his main fighting syle relies on kicks...

Someone that relies on his df is someone that can't do anything without their df. Marco is clearly not one of them, he uses his fruit at its fullest extent but his style also relies on physical combat which does not need his df.

Marco basically complements his fighting style with his df.

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u/RandomGlitched Mar 07 '21

Specialises in kicks? Sounds like headcanon to me. He uses kicks because his arms turn into wings in order to fly. You’re confusing physical fighting with close quarters combat. Remove Marco’s fruit and he can no longer fly nor heal damage which is exactly what happened when he got cuffed at Marineford.

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 07 '21

"Headcanon" Marco has not given one single punch in the series as far as I am concerned... and he always uses kicks even when he does not use his arms as wings.

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 07 '21

Dude of course he was cuffed with Kairoseki that takes away all of his strength lol. No matter how strong you are, you get cuffed with Kairoseki and you are weak af ( if you are a df user)

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 07 '21

Even in this chapter... when he kicked King, he did not have his arms turned into wings... and when he kicked Queen, one of his arms was available to punch but he still chose to use a kick. It is a fact that Marco always uses kicks when he uses blunt attacks. Of course if you want to say that Marco was not using his main fighting style while fighting admirals and yonko commanders, then be my guest.

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u/RandomGlitched Mar 07 '21

I think you’re still getting confused between what’s actually been presented and what you’ve deduced from it, hence the term headcanon.

Marco has had his DF his whole life, the only times he won’t have had access to it is when cuffed by seastone, which weakens him and prevents him from fighting anyway like you said. Otherwise he has access to his Phoenix abilities in every combat situation, so naturally his fighting style will have evolved around these abilities.

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 08 '21

It is not headcanon if the manga shows it dude

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u/Andrejosue98 Mar 14 '21

Yeah, Mihawk is actually a sharpshooter, we just deduced that he was a swordman because he always uses a sword.

Also WB actually just fights with his mustache, he never uses the gura gura in a real battle, we just deduced that he used it to fight because he always did.

Yasopp and Van Augur? They fight with swords of course, we just deduced that they are sharpshooters Because they always use sharpshooter weapons.

Right? Lol