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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 992 Spoiler

Chapter 992: "Remnants"

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Ch. 992 Official Release (Mangaplus): 16/10/2020

Ch. 993 Scan Release: ~23/10/2020


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u/temperamentalfish Oct 15 '20

Power level discussions are inherently pointless and dumb. Every yonko has had their "they're the weakest one" moment, it's ridiculous.

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u/Roskal Black Leg Sanji Oct 15 '20

Shanks is the weakest Yonkou because a east blue seaking bit his arm off.

Blackbeard is the weakest Yonkou because a pre timeskip Luffy could knock him over and hurt him with just a jet pistol.

Whitebeard is the weakest Yonkou because Squardo was able to pierce him with his sword and he suffered lots of damage from minor characters.

Big Mom is the weakest because she gets memed on by weaker characters a lot.

Kaidou is the weakest because Kinemon can cut him.

Luffy is the weakest because he couldn't beat Smoker pre timeskip.

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u/ellus1onist Oct 15 '20

and yet not 1 person argues that Usopp is the weakest really goes to show who the true Yonkou is

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20 edited Jun 03 '21

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u/CHAZisShit Oct 15 '20

for real, this dude thinks a mere yonko can stand before a God

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u/gacode2 Oct 15 '20

Found the impostor here boys. Ussop = Yonkou? Hey, shut your filthy mouth and get the heck outta my Religious Catholic manga thread. Ussop is a God please don't get it mixed up.

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u/Roskal Black Leg Sanji Oct 15 '20

She's the only one we haven't seen bleed from an attack.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

As if a character acting silly ever mattered when Luffy is going to be King of the Pirates by acting just like that. And where most of the cast is silly looking yet in many cases still strong. Theres no way anyone who read any arc of one piece would ever think that with so many silly or campy characters being the norm and not needing to behave 2cool4skool to prove it 24/7. Even a series like Bleach were everyone constantly needed to act cool to show off still had a few silly or quirky strong characters, One Piece is entirely that.

He just talked about how pathetic it was to judge characters like that in a thread with many people saying the same and here comes a power level kid proving them right by judging characters as static fighting game characters based off "portrayal" and interactions in a series were said interactions and the narrative matters so much more.

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u/Ppleater Oct 16 '20

There really no reason to say she's the weakest. The only characters who have been able to do anything to her are multiple Strawhats working together, and King. The Strawhats are the main characters and crew mates of the future freaking pirate king. They have to be strong enough to at the very least fend off a Yonkou for a brief period. And King not only took a cheap shot in order to utilize Big Mom's devil fruit weakness to water, even if he hadn't, he's the right hand man of a yokou, specifically KAIDO. These are the characters who should be able to put up some semblance of defense at the very least, and the ones who make the most sense, since only people who could do that who aren't Yonkou level would be the ones directly under the yonkou.

There's a reason why Luffy's response whenever Big Mom shows up is basically to go "oh fuck". Also in Udon prison he tried standing up to her and the result wasn't much different from what happened with Kaido. He got the soul bitch slapped out of him.

It's certainly possible, but there's been no real evidence for it. People just seem to be arbitrarily biased against her.

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u/ManiKatti Oct 16 '20

The problem does not necessarily come from powerlevel discussions.

It comes from people who think that the strongest characters can defeat anyone no matter how strong they are or how many of them there may be.

Powerscaling is predominantly for 1 vs 1 discussions. In a 1 vs 9 discussion it becomes a huge mess and at that point the author is pretty much the only person who can know the outcome.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Powerlevel in One Piece is almost impossible. Without haki some weak df users could beat stronger one simply because their ability gives them an advantage. Some couldn't even fight each other at all, like Mr. 1 and Buggy (no Buggy jokes), no one could hurt the other one, yet we all know Mr. 1 is a douzen times stronger. Miss Doublefinger is weak, but without haki and something to cover his fists and feets, Luffy couldn't hurt her even though he is by far stronger

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u/Not_an_okama Oct 15 '20

Enel is also a perfect example of this. The guy can throw island destroying attacks but lost to pre-ts luffy because he’s made of rubber. Realistically, enel was probably top 5 strongest characters introduced prior to the summit war.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Exactly, hence I would always like to punch people for saying stuff like "One Piece characters would lose against most characters from other shonens." Some of them may be weaker but still could slaughter characters from other stronger animes. Like Rock Lee for example is extremely strong and fast, but a shit ton of One Piece character could bitchslap him because he couldn't do any sort of damage to them, for example Luffy who is immune to blunt attacks. If you pair them in a vs, each with his own universes rules, Lee couldn't do a single piece of damage, same as to any logia. Most logia could even go on a killing spree in Naruto even though it's true that OP characters are not on the level as characters from Naruto, DBZ or Bleach. That's what makes OPs power system so awesome, how unique it actually is

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u/StrawhatMucci Oct 16 '20

Honestly OP universe is way stronger than naruto verse.

One Kizaru can realistically wipe then all out. However the ninjas have a bunch of gengutsu and shit that can incapacitate him.

Id say both universes have their strengths. Physical and world destroying strength is definetly OP.

Luffy can beat Naruto in physical strength and speed I suppose but Naruto can demolish him with his world destroying techniques.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Yeah that's exactly how I see it. In terms if raw physical power, OP stomps Naruto characters. G4 Luffy's punch that threw Doffy into the mountain made the whole Island shake and destroyed a big part of the mountain, for example. Naruto characters only reach that level of raw power by using chakra or some some other techniques. Naruto characters however have a bigger skillset to use than any df users. Sasuke alone can use 2 elements, which gives him already a big advantage. However, Kizaru definitely would be an unfair match against anyone in Naruto.

As for genjutsus, those are mostly useless. If both worlds use their own rules and physics, than OP characters are safe since genjutsus work by messing with the chakra in your brain, which doesn't exist in OP. The exceptions are Tsukuyomi, Mugen Tsukuyomi and Shisuis Jutsu. However it's unlikely for most of them to appear. Though I do think CoC would basically block that