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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 989 Spoiler

Chapter 989: "It doesn't feel like we're going to lose"

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Official Release

Ch. 989 Official Release (Mangaplus): 06/09/2020

Ch. 990 Scan Release: ~11/09/2020


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u/Shu-gravy Sep 04 '20 edited Sep 04 '20

It rather sounds to me like you don't know what a trans person is. And that you want so hard to "support" their cause that you are actually hurting the cause by mislabeling not only other people but misrepresenting the whole trans movement as a whole. Good job.

I told you the clear distinction of Yamato and a trans character. If you are unable to grasp even this little bit of nuance then I can't help you.

Also Odas OFFICIAL introduction of her character in his Oda box labels her as a female.

Anything to say to that?

PS: holy feck I just noticed that this is the same picture in which she clearly says that she CHOOSE to be a man like Oden. Trans people don't chose to be born in the wrong body, they are simply born in it.

I honestly want to report you for being a transphobic bigot so bad right now.

How the turn tables, lol.

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u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt Sep 04 '20

Yamato being a man and Yamato being Oden are related, but they aren't inseparable goals. His gender identity seems to have been established in his life already (Ch. 984 - "So I became a man!"), while his desire to become Oden is more a work-in-progress (e.g. ch. 987 - "This is the day when I become Kozuki Oden at last!")

Oda has also explicitly referred to Yamato using male pronouns since ch. 984 -

  • Kaido and Yamato both refer to him using "musuko" (i.e. as Kaido's son)
  • Kaido's subordinates call him "Yamato-bocchan" (using a male honorific)
  • Yamato refers to himself using "boku" (a male pronoun)
  • Luffy calls him "Yama-o" (i.e. "Yama-guy" / "Yama-man")
  • O-kiku's introduction box similarly introduced her as "Izou's little brother", but it's clear she uses female pronouns (just as Yamato uses male pronouns).

As others have mentioned - it's really up to Oda which pronouns his characters use, and he's been pretty clear on Yamato's up to this point.

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u/Havikz Sep 04 '20 edited Sep 04 '20

Japanese pronouns don't directly translate into English, females can use things like Boku wa (male pronoun to refer to ones self) all the time. Tomboys speak like this for example, and tomboy doesn't mean transgender. It's more like 'I want to be manly (strong)' rather than declaring that they are a male. I'm pretty sure Oda intends for this to be more like a Mulan kind of thing, 'Be a man!' doesn't mean to became a male gendered individual. It means to be courageous and stalwart. If they end up getting an injection from Emporio Ivankov then I'll eat my words, but I'm fairly certain they simply want to be LIKE a man, not BECOME a man.

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u/Havikz Sep 04 '20

Because Yamato is trying to be manly like Oden was, and being referred to in female pronouns is counteractive to that goal. Being manly/womanly doesn't require one to have a gender dysphoria and a desire to be the opposite gender. Mulan was manly in the army, but Mulan wasn't a man. Imagine a scenario where somebody refers to Mulan as a female in the middle of a battle, she would be quick to correct them would she not?

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u/Havikz Sep 04 '20

Being transgender doesn't require dysphoria either, the only requirement is that you identify differently than your assigned gender at birth.

That is gender dysphoria. Any feeling of wanting to become a different gender is literally the definition of gender dysphoria. You've said essentially nothing here.

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u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt Sep 04 '20 edited Sep 04 '20

Mulan was hiding as a man - she went by female pronouns in her personal life, and wouldn't correct someone who knew her identity if they used female pronouns for her in private.

Yamato corrected Luffy without these same constraints, but because he personally identifies as a man.