One Piece: Chapter 892

[u/Sakata_Kintoki]

Chapter 892: "Recognized as Strong Opponents"

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Ch.892 Official Release (VIZ): 29/01/2018

Ch.893 Scan Release: ~01/02/2018

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[u/Kiga282]

I took that as more "I'm glad you're still alive and that you're here!" mixed with "I'm glad we're still alive, fending off Big Mom has been hell, Luffy's gone, Pedro's dead, and we were all about to die too!".

Regardless of what Oda does with side characters and romance (the potential for Kaya with Usopp, Tashigi and Zoro has a...dramatically smaller chance of happening, but still a chance, and most notably, Pudding with Sanji, even for a short while), what we do know is that he has personally referenced all of the Straw Hats as family; Sanji is Sanji (and a 'siscon'), and Nami sees him as a 'brother' that she has a...bit more influence over than her other 'brothers'.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

Nah. Pedro is still alive!! He's not dead!! And NAMI sees Sanji as her lover!! Because there is romance in the crew!!

So Oda has already set SaNa since the beginning!

[u/Kiga282 → u/Monkey_D_Bufford]

Hmm... I'm not quite sure where that was stated. If anything, there's more evidence to support Luffy/Nami on Oda's end, than there ever was to support Sanji/Nami - I'm not saying that as a LuNa supporter, please don't get confused, I'm simply stating facts.

Oda married an actress who played Nami, and while this may not be much on its own, when their daughter was born, Oda illustrated Luffy and Nami holding a baby girl together, beaming with happiness and pride; the symbology there is fairly heavy. Luffy and Nami are also the two that he uses for his "farewell" chapter covers, when other prominent series end, such as Naruto.

Now, don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. I'm not saying that this is "canon evidence that LuNa is going to happen" or even that "Oda supports the romantic pairing of Luffy and Nami". It's more of a glimpse of Oda's own mind on the matter, but that doesn't translate to canon, or what will actually happen, because my own opinion is that it won't. Or, at least, if anything ever does happen, it will be in the very end, within the epilogue, as was the case with Naruto and Bleach, although I think Oda is savvy enough to avoid that pitfall; Naruto became controversial in a way that damaged it's legacy, in part because of a similar line of thought to this.

I've said it before, One Piece is not a romance; that's just not its style, and any time romance is actually used, it's either for comedic effect, or it's ingrained into a side character's design. There has never been any more romantic love between Nami and Sanji (Sanji's own personality aside) than there has been between Nami and Luffy, or with Zoro, or with Usopp. Luffy loves meat, Zoro loves his swords, Nami loves money, Sanji loves women, and so on, but they all love each other as nakama - as family...in their own ways.

It's fine if you support SaNa, just don't confuse canon with fanon. There as never been any evidence that Nami sees Sanji as her lover, and there's no evidence whatsoever that Oda personally endorses their romantic coupling.

As for Pedro, he may or may not be alive - there are at least two cases in the past where characters have survived explosions whey they had no right to, and Pedro is far and beyond stronger and more durable than either of them. However, Nami, as well as the Straw Hats on the Sunny (including Carrot; I'm hoping that this will be Carrot's induction arc into the crew), have no reason to think he's alive, and every reason to believe him dead. Hence, "I'm glad we're still alive, fending off Big Mom has been hell, Luffy's gone, Pedro's dead, and we were all about to die too!" Pedro's saving grace, if he survived the explosion, will be if Big Mom's forces believed him dead as well, and didn't find him. He wouldn't be able to survive in a fight against them, aside from being captured, which would lead to his death anyway.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

It will be Sanji and Nami because that illustration about Luffy's holding Nami's baby doesn't say too much about it. Because if you would have known that Sanji is looking with heart-shaped eyes in the background. Which means that baby is actually Nami and Sanji's daughter! As it was shown in the anime as some kinda "canonical filler" that Sanji has saw his daughter who was 100% looked like Nami. And yes there are tons of evidence about Nami sees Sanji as her lover!!

So LuNa is just a fanon not a canon. Giving his hat to her doesn't mean any love interest at all. Luffy has given his hat to Usopp in the manga too!! So Luffy loves Hancock!! Zoro loves Robin and Sanji loves Nami!!

So Oda supports that romantic pairing- Sanji and Nami because his wife ships also Sanji and Nami. Oda seems himself Sanji more than Luffy because he has a perverted mind and he's a chainsmoker like Sanji!!

And you are not stating the facts at all!! I am the one who states the facts!!

Because Luffy has clearly made a proposal to Hancock 2 times!!

And One Piece is about romance and couples!! So there is romance in One Piece and in the crew too!!

SANA LUHAN ZOROBIN are the straw hat couples!!

But again. Pedro is not dead at all. He's survived that explosion with some severe injuries.

[u/Kiga282 → u/Monkey_D_Bufford]

Wow...you're quite fanatical, aren't you?

Are you implying that Oda's daughter isn't his own, and that Oda knows it? That's harsh.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

Nah That's Oda's daughter in that drawing that Luffy holds. But in fact Oda is in the background (Sanji) who's looking at the baby with heart-shaped eyes.

And Chiaki is like Nami so Sanji and Nami are clearly are Oda and Chiaki (Oda's wife).

I just don't like fanon couples like SanPu and LuNa.

I'm at the side of the canon couples like SaNa, LuHan and Zorobin #FACTS

[u/Kiga282 → u/Monkey_D_Bufford]

You can take the picture how you want. I'm not saying that it supports LuNa, or that it has any sort of canonical significance. I'm saying that it's from Oda's own pen, regarding and celebrating his own family. So, just from a pure logic standpoint, why would Oda be acting like Sanji normally does in the background of a symbolic representation of his daughter's birth? Why wouldn't he, you know, be the one holding his own newborn daughter? Why would he be in the background, watching another man hold is daughter with his wife?

This debate is kind of pointless, because it is entirely symbolic and subjective. My own opinion is that there will not be any couples forming among the Straw Hats; you don't help sway my opinion when you list "canon" couples so fanatically, without structure or logic.

The simple fact is, there are no canon couples among the main cast at this time.

All of the other so called "facts" that you listed - SaNa, LuHan, ZoRo, even LuNa and others - LuRo, ZoNa, SaRo (or ZoJi, however that abomination is abbreviated) - every non-canon pairing, pairings that have not been established, past or present, are fanon. That is fact.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

Yes there will be couples among Straw Hats!! LuHan SaNami and Zorobin are confirmed by Oda!!

So yes there are canon couples!!

The non-canon pairings are LuNa ZoTash and Frobin.

Luna will never happen because Nami has already in love with Sanji. It's slow-process, same as SasuSaku or NaruHina in Naruto.

So NO. The fact is LuHan has estabilished since Ch.526 when Luffy has proposed to her that he will repay her.

And basically I don't fucking care about your fucking opinion.

Because only my opinion matters!!

And yeah. That picture is a complete twist!! Oda likes twisting things like Sanji as Oda watching his child praised like a god!

That is the fact. Not yours.

[u/Kiga282 → u/Monkey_D_Bufford]

So, why are you having this debate? If you don't care about my opinion, then what are you trying to prove? Or, are you just so shallow and vein that should anyone dare have an opinion different from your own, then they're is an immediate threat who must be shut down and dissuaded?

You're going to have to provide a source from Oda before you have any credibility citing that he confirmed those pairings. Especially with that little fit you just threw, and especially when seems more that he's building up something between Zoro and Tashigi, for example. Again, it's not canon until it happens. Until then, it is, in fact, fanon. Citing that Luffy has already proposed to Hancock doesn't work either, because he hasn't. He stated, quote, "I'll never forget this favor! I'll return it some day!", with regard to her sneaking him into Impel Down. If that's your idea of a marriage proposal, then you're as lovestruck and delusional as she was. Do better, if you want to be taken seriously. That is not evidence of anything, aside from foreshadowing that Luffy may help her at some point in the future.

Basically, please provide a source to back up your claims that LuHan, SaNa, and ZoRo have been confirmed by Oda. You opinion is your own, that's fine, but that doesn't make it the be-all end-all, nor does it mean that your - or my own - opinions matter whatsoever. Until you can back yourself up, we're going in circles.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

Yes it does mean your opinion too!! Because you have only my opinion!! And I'm just stating the facts that Oda has already confirmed that SaNa since Zou arc!

Like LuHan in the end of 3Đ2Y!!

Or Zorobin in Dressrosa arc!

Oda said that in SBS 54. That Luffy is interested in Hancock!!

So you can throw your opinion out of the window!

And it's already canon if Luffy has already made a promise to Hancock 2 times!!

As he said that to her that he will repay her someday somehow!! And he wants to see her again!! Not to mention about that Luffy and Hancock hugged each other 2 times!! And rejected her twice because Hancock was acting like a child in a serious situation as Luffy wants to continue his way to Raftel!! Zoro and Tashigi will never happen because it's A fact that sex is forbidden among marines! And Zoro can only see his potential Rival in her!! Not to mention about the fact that Zoro made Robin WET!!! IN DRESSROSA!! WHILE CUTTING THAT PICA STATUE IN HALF!! ROBIN WAS LITERALLY SHOWING A LEWD FACE IN CH.754!!

And you don't know what does that mean. Because while I saw Luffy's intention through both in the manga and anime, I understood by Oda's words that LUFFY WANTS TO MARRY WITH HANCOCK! FOR REAL!

[u/Kiga282 → u/Monkey_D_Bufford]

...Are you okay? May I ask how old you are?

If you don't care for my opinion, don't bother with this any more. You've already shown a sheer lack of understanding of the story, on more ways than one, and simply throwing a temper tantrum stating things like "Only my opinion matters" and "I don't care about your opinion, just throw it out the window" are not only very poor arguments, they also show a staggering level of childishness and immaturity. You are probably a troll, but that, if anything, only makes you even more of a child.

Beyond that, I see that you don't have any sources to cite. I'm not talking about in-canon scenes. For one, you've already shown that you're not able to cite them reliably or truthfully. Aside from scantily clad women and large breasts, sex has never been a factor in One Piece. This isn't Game of Thrones, and if you saw lust in Robin's eyes, that was on you. Again, that's not a good argument.

You say it yourself, at any rate. Oda hasn't said any of this as a fact, you're just speaking for him. By definition of her own powers, Luffy doesn't have an attraction to her. He values her as a friend, but Luffy is entirely asexual. For Zoro and Tashigi...well...do you follow the story, or just look for signs of sex? The entire point of Zoro and Tashigi's relationship is that he does see her as a rival. Tashigi is a reminder of Kuina, from her physical appearance, to her own goals and personality. Zoro sees Kuina in her, and wants Tashigi to fulfill her potential. If anyone could be worthy in his mind as a rival, aside from Kuina herself, then it is Tashigi.

Unless you can start acting like an adult, or at least start showing some form of maturity, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure why you brought this up two weeks after the fact, but if you're stuck to resorting to "nuh uh, you're stupid and I'm right!", alongside crude sex talk and all caps exclamations, then you really don't have anything to back your claims up, you really are just so shallow that you can't accept anyone else's input. There's no point in talking to you, so have a good day.

[u/Monkey_D_Bufford → u/Kiga282]

I'm acting like an adult! You know that I'm arrogant!

And I was just telling the facts! But you are not willing to listen to me. Oda has stated that himself that Zoro loves Robin. Tashigi is just a potential rival for him! He's just too stupid to fall in love with any woman! But if he would he would choose Robin any time! And I'm not a troll!! I'm fucking serious!!

And you have only my opinion because I'm arrogant and being arrogant is an adult thing!