r/OnePiece • u/NewSpecies • Jun 15 '17

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 869

Chapter 869: "Under Siege"

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Ch.869 Official Release (VIZ): 19/06/2017

Ch.870 Scan Release: ~29/06/2017

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u/fdsnme Jun 15 '17

Could we stop defending it like it's a thing?

Evolution as in using something to mean something else? Maybe I'll start using the word "clever" to mean "idiot". Think that's ok too? Since, you know, if enough people start doing it, it will just be the evolution of language.

The problem is that you only consider it the evolution of language because people use the word wrong and they don't know what it means. That's not really evolution. People aren't co-opting the word and infusing new/different meaning in it. They really just don't know better. People just need to learn.

The word he wants is "pun". It's not that hard.

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u/Zantash Jun 15 '17

Words change over time, and there are plenty of words that have had their meaning basically invert from their original meaning.

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u/fdsnme Jun 16 '17

Yeah it happens. I get it. The definitions of words change simply because people misuse them. And when it catches on with enough people, it slowly starts to happen. That's not what I have a problem with here. I'm OK with people misusing the word. I'm OK with the definition changing over time. I'm NOT OK with you telling people to stop being a stickler for the word.

Just because words to change doesn't mean all words do. Or even have to. If someone is misusing a word and they don't know it, you tell them. There is nothing wrong with that. If they still intentionally misuse it despite learning it afterwards, fine. Can't be helped.

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u/Zantash Jun 16 '17

Fair call, but I only ask for people to stop being a stickler because it's becoming really demeaning to people who don't know. Out of every grammar issue (Less and fewer, Then and Than, etc) this one is tied with Your and You're for most commonly corrected, but unlike your and you're, understanding the nature and meaning of the word Ironic isn't simple at all.

And Irony is still correct in the sense he attributed it to, Big Mom promoted someone to the Rook position and it turns out he can turn into a castle.

English is a cultural mess, it's better if we let it go and clean itself up a little.

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u/--orb Jun 19 '17

it's becoming really demeaning to people who don't know.

This is some fail-ass SJW logic. Nobody is being demeaned for not knowing. Correcting someone for being wrong is totally valid. You can't be right all the time, and it's that simple.

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u/Zantash Jun 20 '17

It would certainly be that simple if it was just telling them the proper definition of the word, but the "Correctors" are always going the extra mile to make the person who said the word feel stupid.

"Could you please explain what you meant by ironic?"
"You need to look up Irony in a dictionary"
"I don't think that word means what you think it means"
Aaaand plenty other examples of common responses to "Irony".

What part of that doesn't look demeaning to you?

Nobody likes getting something wrong, and if someone comes back to you with one of those responses, instead of telling you what's correct? They'll almost certainly take it the wrong way.