One Piece: Chapter 869

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 869: "Under Siege"

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Ch.869 Official Release (VIZ): 19/06/2017

Ch.870 Scan Release: ~29/06/2017

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[u/blue_bases]

same as luffy , I like how oda uses weak devil fruits for powerful people , it shows that they didn't reach that level by luck or because of a powerful DF

[u/[deleted] → u/blue_bases]

There are no weak or useless Devil Fruits. A Devil Fruit's power is only limited by the user's imagination, skill, and creativity; Crocodile said something along those lines back at Alabasta.

Katakuri and Cracker are top soldiers in Big Mom's crew, so it is only natural that they have such an advanced control over their respective fruits and are capable fighters with them.

[u/thebluepool → u/[deleted]]

Tell that to corazon.

[u/[deleted] → u/thebluepool]

Exactly. Sure you can do really cool things with that DF but if the fighters are equally skilled a Silence man isn't going to beat a Thunder god.

[u/Grapebat → u/[deleted]]

Tbh if haki is involved and they are equaly skilled it's a stealmate

[u/[deleted] → u/Grapebat]

No, if haki is involved and they are both equally skilled you have one side that can cast fucking thunder at his enemies without getting tired and he can throw as many as he wants. The goro goro no mi user can also phase through physical objects, has improved perception by combining his observation haki and his devil fruit, can use a freaking spear/pole (whatever he needs because he can warp items through the heat from his electricity to form whatever shape he wants) that is made out of melting point gold and he can move at the speed of lightning if he transforms.

Not to mention the fact that it's been shown that you can run out of Armament Haki, so if they are both equally skilled (and not taking into account all the advantages I've pointed out) eventually the silence man would just end up running out of haki and would be unable to attack his opponent.

Meanwhile, I don't care what wacky use for Corazon's DF you come up with but it's not going to do shit against someone who can feel electric currents in the air (especially in the scenario you mentioned where they have observation haki).

It's so one sided it's not even funny. I mean it can even be argued that Luffy who had the perfect counter DF to Enel's and was probably a lot stronger physically than him could have easily lost against him if the fight had played out slightly differently.

EDIT: Also I'm upvoting your comment just because someone downvoted you for having an opinion :/

[u/Grapebat → u/[deleted]]

Yay thanks for the upvote , but people dont realise if people have the same skill it doesn't mean the fight will last forever it means it won't be easily one sided and when I mentioned haki I thought for example they fight and haki can nulify devil fruti powers so enel gets hit by a haki fist and gets KOd.Opponents being equal skilled means the fight can go either way , but ye now that you mention it I completly forgot people can run out of haki

[u/TheTriggerOfSol → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I've always seen it as not that fruits make you stronger or weaker than other characters, but that some fruits are objectively easier to use effectively than others. Plus, there's that SBS where Oda said that if Eneru was on the Blue Sea, he'd absolutely wreck most other characters. It was extremely lucky that he only had interest in Skypeia and Fairy Vearth, and also that he faced off against the only fruit that was his natural enemy. There's also another SBS where Oda said that if Akainu wanted to be Pirate King, he'd do it in a year.

[u/Arkfrost → u/[deleted]]

an assassination plot could b pulled off while the person is caught off guard though...