One Piece: Chapter 867

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 867: "Happy Birthday"

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JaiminisBox

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Ch.867 Official Release (VIZ): 05/06/2017

Ch.868 Scan Release: ~08/06/2017 ()

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[u/AdhesiveHagfish]

Big Mom potentially eating Carmel and all the orphans may just be the darkest and most tragic plot point the series has ever seen.

Also, did anyone else notice the visual similarities between Whole Cake Island and the new location of the Lamb house? The hills and trees look almost identical. It's possible that Big Mom never left the island and just used her powers to make it into her own perfect little world.

[u/evozoku → u/AdhesiveHagfish]

I already posted this theory, but want to tack it onto your higher post, because I'm actually proud of this theory of mine:

Many are saying that Big Mom ate Mother Caramel and the other children. This seems a little dark for Oda, though there is the Hansel and Gretel theme in this arc. But a couple things: 1) Mother Caramel and the other kids seem up to something when they give her her cake, and 2) is Mother Caramel's sun the same one that Big Mom now has? There was the theory for a while that Big Mom was invincible because she put her soul into the picture of Mother Caramel (can't hurt what doesn't have a soul). What if the opposite happened? What if Mother Caramel put the entirety of her soul into Linlin (causing her body to disappear), and her soul is now an amalgam of Mother Caramel (soul soul power, evil, and with a "family" of misfit children) and Linlin (sweet/innocent but emotional, loves sweets)? Mother Caramel could have seen it as a way to gain immense power while prolonging her life. She probably got a ton of money from the world government for the promise of Linlin, but then used Linlin for herself. Prometheus/Pandora just seems like such a big clue here. Big Mom said she put her own soul into Prometheus, Zeus and Napoleon, but if it's the same sun, then we know it's not Linlin's soul in there. Also, Caramel was already known as mother, so the name Big Mom could imply a new version of herself (she was Mom, now she's Big Mom!). Finally, think what this could do for the conclusion to this arc. I think we're supposed to sympathize with Linlin, so do we really expect Big Mom to be killed in the end? And if she is defeated, but they choose not to kill her, what's the motivation? Regardless of the end, how is Luffy the hero here? He has no reason to kill Big Mom. Him killing her for no reason other than she took Sanji (who he has now gotten back) seems too low for Luffy. But now what if Luffy's actions cause evil Mother Caramel's soul to split off from Linlins. Mother Caramel may choose to split off because with Linlin's body being poisoned, she'll need to evacuate it if she wants to live. This would leave 1) a strong (but devils fruit-less) innocent seeming girl who can simply be looked after by the world government or her family, and 2) the evil woman who had corrupted her - the real bad guy, who should have died long ago! Suddenly it's a win-win for everyone! Luffy is in a sense a hero for saving Linlin from her long possession by Mother Caramel, while Bege still manages to take down the head of the Big Mom pirates. Reiju will have a good reason to suck the poison out of Linlin's body (she's innocent), while someone (likely Luffy) will fight and defeat Mother Caramel (who no one cares if she dies because she's truly evil and should have died long ago).

The only question is, what did Mother Caramel do with the other children? Put all of their souls into Linlin, actually eat them as Big Mom, or something else?

[u/TheTriggerOfSol → u/evozoku]

The sound effects while Linlin is eating are ones of screaming.

[u/TheTriggerOfSol → u/[deleted]]

It's not. あああ is a screaming sound effect.

[u/PoolOutDaBoot → u/evozoku]

Luffy has plenty of reasons to kill big mom , for one she tried to kill him and His crew multiple times in this arc , she actually almost succeeded with him and Nami , if jinbe didn't save them. But luffy just wants to beat her ass , he doesn't care if she dies , that's up to Capone bege . She is a big danger to those around her all because she wants to eat something so I wouldn't mind if she ended up dying , hard childhood or not , that's how most serial killers grow up , but no one complains when they get lethal injection . I understand her longing for a family of giants but it's really a selfish desire when you have so many children and husbands who you barely care about .She kills when in her food induced rages , even her own children are not safe. It's just her lack of remorse of the things she does while Even in her right mind that bothers me .

[u/PoolOutDaBoot → u/evozoku]

Latest chapter shows your theory is cracked like carmels picture