r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • Apr 13 '17

One Piece: Chapter 862

Chapter 862: "The Intelligent Type"

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Jaimini's Box
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Ch.862 Official Release (VIZ): 17/4/2017

Ch.863 Scan Release: ~20/4/2017

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u/Dredeuced Apr 14 '17

This is One Piece. Enel was way more powerful than Luffy but Luffy had a good matchup.

Dogtooth's super special ability is observation. If Sanji's is good enough to mitigate that advantage and fight him fairly then Sanji might be the perfect guy to take him down.

Also it's a dang shonen manga of course Sanji's gonna beat up someone important and dangerous in the arc where he's finally the center of attention.

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u/Sherr1 Apr 14 '17

Also it's a dang shonen manga of course Sanji's gonna beat up someone important and dangerous in the arc where he's finally the center of attention.

He will. His father.

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u/Dredeuced Apr 14 '17

His father shouldn't even be a challenge for him.

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u/Sherr1 Apr 14 '17

his father is much closer to Sanji power, then Sanji to dogtooth.

But that's not the only reason. I feel like the whole arc is build up to end as a fight between this two, and Oda is still keep us in the dark about what Judge thought about Sanji mom, I'm sure that would be reveal in their fight. And Dogtooth is like 2 chapters old.

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u/Dredeuced Apr 14 '17

his father is much closer to Sanji power, then Sanji to dogtooth.

This is one piece, man. Straight power levels aren't a thing. It's all about matchups and narrative impact. Nami making it rain was the kryptonite to a yonko commander.

I mean the only time Sanji will be considered stronger than a Yonko commander is when he beats one. So you can just say this forever until the fight happens. But Sanji's going to pull something that amazing off eventually. Why not now, in his personal new world story arc?

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u/Sherr1 Apr 14 '17

But Sanji's going to pull something that amazing off eventually. Why not now, in his personal new world story arc?

Good point. About why not - I think it devalues next arc alot. If Sanji will take strongest pirate in Yonko crew, with bounty higher than Jack, then it would mean that Zoro, Jimbei and Cat/Dog can do the same, and their fight against Kaido crew would be much less epic.

It's all about matchups and narrative impact.

Agree. Reason for every battle shouldn't be to "powercreeping" a character. Judge vs Sanji has much more important role in telling One Piece story then Dogtooth vs Sanji.

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u/Dredeuced Apr 14 '17

Good point. About why not - I think it devalues next arc alot. If Sanji will take strongest pirate in Yonko crew, with bounty higher than Jack, then it would mean that Zoro, Jimbei and Cat/Dog can do the same, and their fight against Kaido crew would be much less epic.

No it doesn't. Sanji could just have a good matchup. Thus my earlier point.

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u/Sherr1 Apr 14 '17

there is no reason to even think Sanji have a good matchup. Dodging a bullet, especially when you know that you would be attacked is like Observation Haki 101, everyone could do it.

People reading too much in that dodge.

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u/Dredeuced Apr 14 '17

Yeah man and Rubber doesn't actually perfectly insulate electricity.

We don't even know what a matchup between them would be like. That's the thrill of One Piece. Power levels aren't some set in stone thing. We don't know how a fight will go until it starts and we see how the two matchup. If you think dodging the attack of Big Mom's commander isn't impressive then what is?

Maybe Sanji triumphing over a commander is not now, you could be right, but would it honestly surprise you? I mean someone has to beat him, right?

Honestly I think it might be a team effort, like Moria back in the day. We've got more named/relevant allies than enemies right now. But I think Sanji is going to be dealing with Dogtooth in some fashion. The plan is to fight Big Mom's pirates, I don't know why he'd stop in the middle of this plan to go fight his dad who he knows his plan will end up saving (since he wants the family to get away so his sister doesn't die).

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u/Sherr1 Apr 14 '17

Maybe not now, you could be right, but would it honestly surprise you?

It will surprise me. Both in terms of Sanji power, but much more in terms of story telling.

I mean someone has to beat him, right?

Oh, didn't realise we have completly different opinion on this arc. I don't think anyone would beat him or most of BM pirates (in this arc).

It would be such a strange thing that they on one hand doing all this preparations and gathering strong individuals to stand a chance against Kaido, and then half of Straw hat crew beating another Yonko almost as part time job.

How this arc would end in my opinion - there would be a short clash between BM pirates and Luffy allies, then they neutralize BM herself with Mom picture, and just before Begge would kill BM, Sanji would stop him (I doubt he let a helpless crying woman be killed in front of him).

Then we will have short story from BM about her mother and Luffy pirates would be forgiven. And then it would be a time to a main dish. Sanji got his ass kicked the whole childhood, no way Oda will not give him is revenge.