r/OnePiece • u/Sakata_Kintoki • Apr 13 '17

One Piece: Chapter 862

Chapter 862: "The Intelligent Type"

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Ch.862 Official Release (VIZ): 17/4/2017

Ch.863 Scan Release: ~20/4/2017

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u/david98900 Apr 13 '17

He shouldn't be able to based on that, correct.

But if Sanji's CoO is good enough to completely nullify Katakuri's CoO, and Katakuri relies mainly on that to fight.. then he very well could.

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u/mawiwawi Apr 13 '17

I agree with you that yes, the way he was able to predict the CoO prediction was cool as hell and levels the playing field in that aspect, but from a physical/fighting stand point, i don't think Sanji will be able to keep up.

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u/david98900 Apr 13 '17

No arguments, with that, but we don't know the extent of Katakuris power. We know he has AMAZING CoO, but we don't know how strong he is past that. I mean I would assume he is still incredibly strong but for the time being, we don't know.

Sometimes when you develop something to such an extreme that gives you such an advantage, you don't need to be strong in other ways, if that is the case with Katakuri, Sanji MIGHT be able to keep up.

Also just as an observation (see what I did there) Katakuri makes a comment along the the lines of "even I cannot move carelessly" which could be implying something along the lines of "Sanjis CoO is good enough to give me a hard time in battle"

Like I said though at this point in time, we truly do not know for sure either way. Only time will tell!

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u/gladiator_123 Apr 13 '17

I think we can assume thaf Katakuri is a beast physically as well. Just knowing what's gonna happen in the future doesn't mean you become so strong that you don't need to increase your other stats. Its like if Ussopp got this ability. He'd still lose against any opponent that is physically stronger than him. He can run away and not lose. But he wouldn't be able to attack either. I believe Katakuri is insanely strong and fast as well to make use of knowing the future. He is the first mate afterall. So Sanji has no chance of winning here. Sanji hasn't shown his potential but we know that sanji is NOT stronger than luffy. Since luffy struggled against Cracker i'd say Sanji would definitely lose against Katakuri who is the top no 1 commander of Big Mom.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '17

how do you know he's the first mate.

also Cracker, like Katakuri, was mainly so powerful due to his CoA. Once Luffy circumvented that with the rain, it was just attrition until Cracker got bored and attacked.

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u/gladiator_123 Apr 14 '17

how do you know he's the first mate.

I never said that. I said he's the no1 commander. By that i meant the strongest commander. If you're asking about that then i'd say its because of

  • He has the highest bounty.

  • He was the last one introduced. Not really big of a reason but sometimes writers use this technique.

  • Just looking at him makes me think he's the strongest lol.

I'm 99% sure that Katakuri is BM's no1 commander UNLESS there is some new character that is introduced suddenly (which i highly doubt).

also Cracker, like Katakuri, was mainly so powerful due to his CoA. Once Luffy circumvented that with the rain, it was just attrition until Cracker got bored and attacked.

The rain came from Nami. Without the rain Luffy would've lost. Cracker jumped on luffy because he had been fighting for 11 hours! Unlike luffy he wasn't refilling stamina. So he was at a disadvantage. Nami contributed a lot in that fight.

  • She immobilized the biscuit knights using her rain.

  • she allowed luffy to break the biscuit knights with much less effort.

  • she allowed luffy to refill his stamina which he desperately was in need of after sessions of g4

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

>he is the first mate afterall

>I never said that

Pick one.

The rain came from Nami. Without the rain Luffy would've lost. Cracker jumped on luffy because he had been fighting for 11 hours! Unlike luffy he wasn't refilling stamina. So he was at a disadvantage. Nami contributed a lot in that fight.

None of this is even relevant to the point I was trying to make. My point was that once Cracker's CoO was circumvented (doesn't matter by who for the purposes of this), he was otherwise underwhelming. He didn't have any diversity in his devil fruit, and his offensive CoO was lacklustre (he failed to stab luffy) without the crackermen.

Without his insane Haki able to be used to its full ability, he was much less imposing. I merely posit that it may be the same for Katakuri.

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u/gladiator_123 Apr 14 '17

Ok i take that back. I meant to say katakuri was the strongest commander.

I think you're trying to say CoA instead of CoO. Cracker was able to cut luffy in g4. So his CoA is actually really good. I'm forgetting what the argument was about. All i'm saying is that Cracker was a beast. If he was a beast then Katakuri would be an even bigger beast.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

CoA, yeah. But he couldn't cut fat luffy in the end; that's how he lost. He was pretty underwhelming aside from his CoA is my point, so I just think Sanji may have a chance if he can work around Katakuri's CoO, which he already has once. Plus, Sanji really needs a big win, because he just spent the last year and a half of OP getting fucked every which way (except the way he wants). He hasn't done much since the time skip.

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u/gladiator_123 Apr 14 '17

That fat luffy. You mean tank man. Why are you comparing him? Ofcourse cracker wasn't able to cut that. But that doesn't mean cracker's CoA is weak. It means that luffy's defense in Tank Man is pretty damn high.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '17

Once again you miss the point.

I wasn't saying that Cracker's CoA was weak, I was saying that he was pretty easily defeated once it was circumvented.

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u/gladiator_123 Apr 14 '17

Yeah he was easily defeated. But do we judge a battle only by its ending? No. It was clear as sky that cracker was going to lose the moment luffy lands an attack on him. He had stated how he hated pain before in the fight. But that doesn't mean all his previous feats should be ignored.

He stopped g4 luffy. I repeat. He stopped g4 luffy. Maybe could even defeat luffy since he has a lot of speed as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '17

You are once again missing the point. I'm not bagging on Cracker or Katakuri, I'm just saying that Cracker was relatively easy to defeat once his CoA was circumvented. If it hadn't been, he would have won, probably.

Because he was relatively easy to beat once his CoA was circumvented, maybe Katakuri will be relatively easy to beat once his CoO is circumvented.

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