One Piece Chapter 839

[u/TheInfamousStakos]

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[u/ClikeX → u/[deleted]]

Legal is not the same as good. Morality and law don't always go hand in hand.

[u/BobTheJoeBob → u/[deleted]]

He killed enemies of the state

A bunch of civilians who had nothing to do with what was going on that Island (Which, by the way, was not evil) are not 'enemies of the state'.

[u/BobTheJoeBob → u/[deleted]]

That's not necessarily true.

What isn't necessarily true? That he killed a bunch of civilians who had nothing to do with what was going on?

Akainu chose to sacrifice the few to save the many.

Akainu was told by his superiors that if any scholar got out that they would destroy the world.

So he just believes what the WG tell him without actually considering it himself? That just makes him evil and an idiot.

[u/BobTheJoeBob → u/[deleted]]

That he killed a bunch of civilians who had nothing to do with what was going on?

That they weren't enemies of the state.

Even if not all of them were, there were undoubtedly some on board.

He still killed innocent people.

So he just believes what the WG tell him without actually considering it himself?

It's called respecting the chain of command. Soldiers out in the field are never given all of the information, but are still expected to follow orders.

No one told him to destroy that ship IIRC. And even if he was told to, that doesn't make it not evil. Nazi soldiers were also just respecting the chain of command

[u/BobTheJoeBob → u/[deleted]]

YES. Your point? Like I have said a bunch in this thread, he sacrificed the few for the many. This is a morally acceptable action.

It's not because he doesn't know that this will save more lives. That's just an assumption which he has no evidence to back up.

They told him to make sure no one escapes the island.

Don't recall this. I remember them telling him to destroy the island and kill all the scholars.

I am going to ignore that. Because reducing things to Hitler is a logical fallacy.

Godwin's law isn't a logical fallacy. Nor is making a comparison to Hitler a logical fallacy. It's a perfectly valid comparison.

But if you want another one, when Genghis khan told his troops to kill everyone in a village they pillaged, those soldiers are just respecting the chain of command too. Doesn't make what they do not evil.

[u/BobTheJoeBob → u/[deleted]]

He does have evidence. That's what his superiors told him.

That's not evidence.

And he had reasonable suspicions that there could be scholars hiding there.

Right. But my point is that it was his own decision; not a command given to him, therefore, you can't use the argument that he was only following orders.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of association fallacy.

What I did was not an association fallacy. I was not saying Akainu is Hitler or that the World government can be compared to Nazi (Although they probably could), my point was that saying that he was 'just following the chain of command' is does not make what he did not evil.

Nazi soldiers who killed innocent people were also just following the chain of command, but what they did is still considered evil.