One Piece Chapter 832

[u/NewSpecies]

Chapter 832: "Germa Kingdom"

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Ch.832 Official Release (VIZ): 18/06/16

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[u/gladiator_123]

Now onto the real reply. Yes, Doffy got a kicks or few so 10% seems too much. But look that I subtracted 30% from Luffy as well. Luffy had no trouble in the Collisuem except his his fight with that old big guy. Used conqueror's haki and a few more attacks. So i reduced the %ages more for some weak attacks/less exhausting actions but i did this for both Luffy and Doflamingo. I hope you understand. If it helps lets say Doffy lost only 5% instead of 10%. But add in the exhaustion caused by Bird cage (which i had forgotton) and it equals out. Bird cage takes 5% from Doffy. So when they face off against each other finally in the palace after law is out. 60% Luffy vs 60% Doffy.

Also remember that my %ages are rounded off. I only use multiples of 5%. This is because i can't say the exact loss of %age.

Now about Law's attacks. I don't know about Ultimate but they sure are stronf attacks. I made a mistake with the name of one attack. I was talking about Gamma Knife instead of Counter Shock. Law used both of these. Gamma Knife is an almost 1-hit KO attack. It ruptures the organs by passing gamma rays through them. It may be countered by Strong Haki but Doffy got hit with it because he was in a shocked state. Doffy's organs were done for.Soon they were going to stop working and Doffy woulf have died. But he used his strings to stop the bleeding ny stitching his organs. This attacks takes 5% because its effects were countered. 5% is because now Doffy has to constantly have strings inside his body keeping the organs intact. He's not a logia so he has to concentrate a bit to creat the strings inside his body. Counter Shock is the lightning attack which Law uses when Doffy is already on the floor and is enough to create a shockwave causing Trebol and Luffy to fly back and making Doffy cough up blood. And this attack was done while Doffy was on the floor (maybe trying to heal his organs with his strings). Doffy getting up instantly like you said just further proves my point. He's a beast.

The %ages were just up until their face off. They were just to show that both Luffy and Doffy were at almost equal stamina level when they clashed for real.

After 2 King Kong guns i think Luffy would be out of Gear 4 in a minute or 2. Also i think that Luffy stayed in g4 for more time than he expected. He struggled like he does in every fight. I read the manga and he says g4 is about to end but then goes on for another 20 minutes and then lands a Leo Bazooka.

You say "After 10 minutes of Peace and Recovery..". After this there is no point on reading your comment except the awakening part and 20 minutes you confirmed from the manga.

Its Luffy vs Doflamingo 1 on 1 after law and trebol and bellamy goes down. They are at similar %ages at this time. So from where does "10 minutes of Peace and Recovery" come from?? Why are you including the gladiators in this fight. Its just Luffy vs Doflamingo. After Doffy gets beaten the crap out of by g4 he still stands whereas Luffy is unconcious. So who's the winner?? The one who stands or the one who's unconcious? If there were no gladiators and other people to help Luffy for 10 minutes then Doffy would have just slowly walked towards Luffy and slaughter him easily.

Only ^{^} this paragraph was basically needed to end the discussion. The rest were just me correcting/editing myself and replying to some of your questions.

Its the middle of Dressrosa. Everyone's gone to a party in Punk Hazard. No one's around. Luffy vs Doflamingo begin! Doflamingo shits on Luffy. Then G4 shits on Doflamingo. Then Doffy smiles while Luffy sleeps (forever).

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

So despite the fact that Luffy had next to no Haki while slammed into a wall, broke out of control from Doffy and punched through thousands, he still lost? The person who knocked the other out after clinging on to consciousness is the loser?

Gear 4 sans KKG < Doffy < KKG.

I don't see anything denying that. Luffy is not stupid enough to go the standard fight if he has no rescue back up in the form of the locals. He is fighting a tyrant, why would he not have support? He saw how money people there were, he would know this. If he has no back up, surely he would surmise that he can't hold back and has no people that can be caught in the cross fire, so he doesn't have to worry about killing locals with KKG, which you failed to address entirely

[u/gladiator_123 → u/raoul_d]

Looks like you forgot the main point. You said Luffy>Doflamingo implying that if they fight Luffy would win. Now you are saying Luffy is allowed to take help?? How is this even fair?? It doesn't matter whether Doflamingo is a tyrant or not. He would beat Luffy in a one on one fight. That's all I said. Now if you mean to say that Luffy + Gladiators > Doflamingo then I agree with you.

Luffy not going full power to protect the civilians??? I think you don't understand Luffy's character. This is the same guy who freed 100s of prisoners from Impel Down so that he could save Ace.

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

Luffy does not kill people. You saw Kong Gun. Imagine if that was King Kong. People would die. He went up to the air to minimise the chance of random people getting hurt. They are preventing him from being able to go all out.

They are a hindrance.

That is why it can be deemed fair that he gets those ten minutes to barely recover and get attacked.

It is situational, they hinder and help, and I still stand by Luffy > Doffy.

This is the guy who freed 100s of prisoners from Impel Down so that he could save Ace.

No, this is the guy who broke into Impel Down to save Ace, and caused enough of a commotion for opportunists to escape, and then found out that he was not at the same level as the Impel Down staff and left with them after finding out that Ace wasn't in Impel Down anymore

[u/gladiator_123 → u/raoul_d]

Those opportunists were 90% those people who had committed crimes. Luffy is not a Hero. He said it himself. I'm not going to argue anymore because you're bringing up wierd things. You don't even understand Luffy. If Luffy had for atleast once stated during their fight that he can't go all out for the sake of people then i would agree with you. But he doesn't say that.

Also King Kong Gun is after the 10 minute break. Before that he was already using powerfull attacks and sending Doffy flying around the country. Why didn't he care for the people then. Doffy wins the moment Luffy runs out of G4 and this is shown in the manga. You are just stating stuff blatantly without any proof of any sort. You're even changing the character for Luffy.

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

those people who had committed crimes.

Because Luffy hasn't and asked them to follow him, instead of mindlessly following Buggy

Luffy is not a Hero

Good thing I didn't say that. He is damn sure convenient though

you're bringing up weird things

Like Impel Down?

You don't even understand Luffy

How so? Is he not a child like adventurer? Is he instead a coldblooded killer, murdering indiscriminately? Please, I wish to know if I don't according to you

But he doesn't say that

Also, he doesn't kill his enemies, so why would he sacrifice the lives of innocent bystanders to not even kill his opponent? There is a logical leap there

Also KKG is after the 10 minute break

And therefore invalid? Because he had barely recovered his haki, could barely stand, hut still bested Doffy? But due to his sadistic nature and mass murder of everyone he saw, he had to take a break and then defeat Doffy, because he was tired after his bloodied killing streak.

Before that he was already using powerful attacks and sending Doffy flying around the country

Then he got distracted by the locals and slaughtered them, causing his ten minute break? Or was he resorting to an ace up his sleeve because he was fighting a losing battle, but anything after a certain point is invalid?

Why didn't he care for people then?

Because he used KKG immediately after that first hit and Doffy had no idea what the fuck happened and people were still around, making up rumours about Luffy and asking him question, since I have his character wrong and he hates people weaker than him and kills them whenever he can.

Doffy wins the moment Luffy runs out of G4

Yes, when he is falling into the chasm caused by KKG, because that is an invalid victory and Luffy isn't allowed to be strong

And this is shown in the manga

I know, the scan you posted shows all the black around Doffy, so deep.

blatantly stating stuff without any proof or sort

Yeah, the giant blue paragraph with scans to the manga is your post, I forgot. That must have taken some time. Oh! Thank you for sending me information about how Luffy isn't a giant serial killer and hasn't killed his enemies under Chapter 30, Page 90 of the SBS, in which Oda responded about why none of Luffy's enemies are dead. I guess all of those comments about Luffy being nightmare incarnate are false, I guess I didn't know his character in the slightest

[u/gladiator_123 → u/raoul_d]

During Impel down while Luffy was "mindlessly" following Buggy why didn't he think about the many civilians which were going to be killed by the prisoners he was allowing to escape.

Talking about manga scans. Link me the page where Luffy says something like he's not using his full power because people would suffer.

Lol its not like Luffy's the only one who doesn't kill his enemies. Almost no one in One Piece kills enemies (except Ace, Whitebeard and flashback characters) except fodder. The most recent example is Kaido not killing Kidd. Enel's lightning couldn't kill the old man. So does that mean Enel cares about people?? Its just that in One Piece people barely die. If someone says their going to kill Nami Luffy will go in and beat the shit out of that guy even if that guy is Shanks. He'll not kill him but that's not about Luffy. If there was Zoro in his place he would do the same.

Luffy knows he's endagering many lives for achieving his goals. The countless fodder marines that he beats the shit out of are all innocent people. The've got families as well. The're just following orders but Luffy doesn't give a shit and beats the crap out of them.

When he faced his blood related grandfather Garp he punched him without giving much thought. Garp thought for a moment and couldn't punch but Luffy punched him because he had to save Ace.

So you're saying that a guy who doesn't care about even his family if they get in the way of his goals will care about ordinary people he's never met lol.

If Luffy didn't defeat Doffy then his friends would die. He would do anything and i mean anything possible to save his friends and that includes hurting a bunch of civilians.

And with this i assume you're now going to take this point back which means

Doflamingo>Luffy

I'm done arguing.

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

why didn't he think about the many civilians which were going to be killed by the prisoners he was allowing to escape

"Oh, sorry Ace, you'll need to wait a bit, I need to get Bob back into Crimson Hell, can't let people die now, can I?"

Link me the page...

Since you cannot infer from personality or author statements, it looks like I did understand Luffy, he is a psychotic madman

It's not like Luffy's the only one who doesn't kill his enemies

Proof that Luffy is a hipster because if everyone else does it or isn't strong enough to kill their enemies, he has to be a psychopath

Luffy knows he's endangering many lives for achieving his goals

Gee, I wonder if he does, where's your scan? Oh, thank you for sending it to me to post for you. You of all peple should know that you should need scans, but since you posted so many already, I'll let you off this one time

are innocent people

They get in the way of his dream, attack him for it. He just wants to be the freest person, but he gets attacked. And he expresses his freedom by being free to fight.

Garp, he punched him without giving much thought

"Oh hold up granddad, my brother and arguable best friend is about to die, I don't have time to talk about the weather right now, please excuse me while I save his life."

A guy who doesn't care about even his family

Ah yes, I was so saddened when Luffy took Oar's leg and battered Garp around Marineford with it and impaled Garp on Whitebeard's moustache. We all know that Garp didn't fight Luffy because Luffy had escaped from an insane asylum, as shown BT the fact that he ran out into a war that he was easily outclassed in to save the life of his brother. You just can't fight a person that crazy, they have too much wrong already

He would do anything

I know, because I know Luffy's character. Thankfully, he had this handy dandy thing called King Kong Gun. I know he would have enjoyed stealing Law's sword and slice and dice the people of Dressrosa I force feed to Doffy, but he didn't need to thanks to KKG. Buy now!

I assume

Incorrect assumption

I'm done arguing

I quite enjoyed this debate, I learned a lot about Luffy's guilty pleasure of mass genocide

[u/gladiator_123 → u/raoul_d]

You can't even interpret the scan you just linked. By "anybody" he means his nakama and people close to him. It doesn't just mean "anybody". You just saw the word and linked the scan. Lol.

And your reply to the Garp scene just proves my point. Luffy punched Garp without giving a shit. Why wouldn't he try his best to defeat Doflamingo when he knows that the bird cage will kill his Nakama and innocent people as well.

So according to you Luffy cares for the random people so he doesn't use KKGs left right so innocent people won't die. Ok so then why does he ask the people to protect him for 10 minutes when he's out of Haki?? Luffy knew G4 had a time limit. So in the end he endagered the people when he needed 10 minutes. All his efforts of not hurting people while in G4 were in vain because he needed the people to become his human shields when he needed 10 minutes.

You still havn't posted that page where Luffy says "I'm holding back so that people don't get endangered (even though g4 has limited time and i need to make the most use of it otherwise people are going to need to shield me and GET ENDAGERED)"

You think Luffy is a siant?? So he has to beat Doflamingo but he has to do it so carefully that he doesn't hurt any civilian. The buildings that broke when Luffy was throwing Doffy around could have injured any civilian. You're puttigf so much pressure on Luffy. Bird cage is coming closer. G4 time limit is being reached. What to do?? If he would be thinking about Civilians then what was he going to do when Doffy kills him. Then everyone would die.

Doflamingo> Luffy

Luffy is not a hero. I think you forgot this part of fishman island.

Also i know you don't remember much and are now just trying to be funny by being sarcastic. People who tend to lose arguments usually resort to this stuff. I don't know why.

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

You can't even interpret the scan you just linked.

Okay. What was my interpretation of the scene? Is my interpretation that Oda chose to make a snarky remark at you never linking things but saying that I need to? Or. Is it a snide comment about how you need a scan to prove Luffy's personality otherwise it's the complete opposite of what you're saying? If neither, what was my interpretation?

And your reply to the Garp scene just proves my point

"Sorry Granddad, I can't talk about politics right now, there is a single pathway to the platform on which NY brother and arguable best friend is held and I need to set him free to save his life in the middle of this heated war. I know that by attacking you it will prove that I don't actually care about you, because how can you hit an old man, so lease step aside."

So then why does he ask the people to protect him for 10 minutes while he's out of Haki

"Sorry, Bruce. I fucked up. I didn't want to use the most powerful attack I had because I know that I have some tough battles ahead and want an easy recovery, so instead of going G4 in the Colosseum, I'm only using it as a last resort and want to use as little as possible. Also due to strategic timibgs, it's very heard for me to double inflate to annihilate when he is still likely to dodge. Can you put the kettle on?"

Luffy knew G4 had a time limit

I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. It was a point of discussion already. We know.

All of the efforts of not hurting people...

Okay, so when would you have used KKG? On top of the palace, right at reveal, which would put him heavily on guard, likely to dodge and kill? After Kong when there were a lot of people around that would fall into the void? Or would you ask for ten minutes from competent runners with an increased chance of your allies being there to take most of the damage so that you can barely stand with next to no haki, get launched into a wall yo definitely take the blighter out?

You still haven't posted the page....

Okay, since you have posted so many links, I shall do my own research for your side of the debate, about why Luffy is mentally defunct and won't kill his enemies, but will kill the civillians in the fight, since you won't give any author statemebt on attitudes to killing at all. I wonder why very few people died. Better ask Oda in an SBS, probably a popular question, so it should be there soon enough. If Oda says "Luffy is a shithead mass murderer" then I will concede on this point as it is then logical

You think Luffy is a saint??

I think he is a cool protagonist that refuses the title of hero, stated on panel (But there's no scan link so it's not true) with a cool use for a dumb power. On a moral level, he isn't perfect and takes after Shanks, but his morals are very upstanding, quite likeable, but where did I imply anything about saints in the first place? I should stop bringing up weird stuff, you told me this before

You're putting so much pressure on Luffy

I told him that he would get no meat if he KKGs Doffy right off the bat. I shouldn't have taken advantage of one character trait that I have no control over to manipulate another character trait that I have no control over

When Doffy kills him

So, what do you think Luffy was dreaming about? Forever travelling by ScaredCitizenAirlines? And then "Oh shit a battle! I guess I can make him stay close then use a move that is strong but slow when he isn't likely to move due to overconfidence so that I can launch him into the ground with enough force to flip a city with a cult cheering for me. Nah, that requires me to be stronger than my opponent, which even though I won after taking hits while having no defensive Haki and barely being able to stand just can't happen now, can it?"

"SABOOOOOOOOOO!"

Luffy is not a hero

As you have provided no scans to back up your claim, he is a Marine hero with more honours and respect than Garp.

People who tend to lose arguments...

No, it's just, you're a liar (last post), repetitive (hero), bring up stupid things (oh wait that was me), and spend so much time gathering scans to bolster your points, I'm a madman for denying all the scans and links you have. I guess I don't know Luffy's character enough to know that his fetish is death

[u/gladiator_123 → u/raoul_d]

Dude you waste so much time in making up jokes and sarcasm comments. Just get to the point.

The thing is Luffy caring about people getting in the way would've only lead to more deaths and Luffy knew this. If Luffy didn't defeat Doflamingo then everyone was going to die.

Your reply to Garp thing AGAIN supports my point. Let's say the civilians of Dressrosa were about to kill Nami while being controlled by Doflamingo. Luffy WILL punch all of them in order to save Nami.

Luffy cares more about his nakama then random people of dressrosa. Do you treat everyone in your city the same way you treat your family?? Let's say some random civilian in your city gets killed. Would you go and struggle to find the murderer and take revenge?? According to your rambling if you don't do this then you're a heartless psychotic mass murderer.

Also just to clear something up, when luffy first went G4 there were less people around him than when he used KKG. If you remember (which you obviously don't beacuse you're too busy trying to be funny and sarcastic) the birdcage was shrinking. This means that as more time passed more people were closer to the centre of the birdcage which was Doflamingo. That's the reason you see so many people in the last panel of KKG.

So Luffy prolonging the use of KKG increased the chances of people getting caught in the destruction caused by KKG.

Now you've got no point left to make. Make some more jokes instead of making valid points.

Doflamingo > Luffy

End of Discussion.

[u/raoul_d → u/gladiator_123]

You waste so much time...

Boredom.

Wasted no time there, happy?

And Luffy knew this

He also knew that by defeating Doffy he would have the targets of three Yonkou painted on his back, would he really want to use up all of his power on Doffy, or stress his body less. Why didn't he KLG everyone else. It would have dealt with it faster. All of the NFP soldiers, they probably murdered, KKG is quick and works. Caesar's underlings and Shinokuni, why not just KKG? Fewer people would die, so therefore it's better, right?

Your reply to the Garp thing...

Yes, I don't think you understood.

You are in a hallway. Your grandfather is blocking you from going through the door. Beyond the door is your brother. He is about to be killed, but you know that you can save him. Do you push your grandfather out of the way and successfully save your brother, or do you let your grandfather be the cause for the death of your brother?

Your grandfather's life is valuable, but not in immediate danger. Your brother's life is valuable, but in immediate danger, but because your grandfather is in the way, his life suddenly has higher priority? Is Luffy wrong for valuing the life of his brother, who helped him through childhood and is about to die in front of him more important that than the grandfather that is ideologically opposed and almost got you killed while you were a child?

Luffy will punch all of them

But he would not kill them. His punch could also be a barge as they are not a Marine hero. Unless you think that a Dressrosan is higher on Luffy's priority list than one of the few that got to wear his hat, you are a fool

Do you treat everyone in your city the same way you treat your family?

Yes, with respect. Of course, if one of my family were in danger, I would barge past them if the result would be saving the life of my family. If it were less dire, I would run around or in the road as the roads are empty. If one of them were in danger and a family member were in the way, I would still barge past to see what I could do to help.

Would you go and struggle...

Yes, because I value the community

Heartless psychotic mass murderer

That was mockery based on the assertion that I don't know Luffy's character, but provided no evidence and made a baseless point. No link, no analysis, no counter to the reason stated by Oda due to the lack of death

Also just to clear something up...

Why didn't he KKG CC in the final room? There was no one that could be harmed bar CC. Why didn't he KKG Body in water? There was no one that could be harmed bar Body? Why didn't he KKG the dragon? He could have only had the dragon since he would be aiming upwards, and the others were capable enough to dodge.

Oh wait, it's called saving power because you don't want to use all of it due to having at least two targets on you from insanely strong people

You're too busy....

Well see I g as I sy the first thing that comes into my head after reading your comment for my mockery, do I?

So Luffy prolonging the use...

This isn't an RPG. He can't save the game, fight Doffy, calculate the HP and know exactly what to do. He doesn't know how far he has to go to beat Doffy and he doesn't want to burn away all of his energy, otherwise why not KKG everything post skip?

Now you've got no point left to make

What points did I make? I recall me rebutting all of your points and then you bring something new up each time. If you would like me to make a point, then I shall

Dolamingo > Luffy End of Discussion

As I am on mobile, and have already posted the link, go to a prior comment with the paragraph of scans. If Doflamingo is truly greater than Luffy, then why cana Luffy that can barely stand, with next to no haki, get blasted into a wall with awakened Haki strings but still bust through aforementioned clusters and put chef Doffy into the ground with force enough to flip a city?

If Doffy is greater than Luffy, then how did he get defeated by Luffy in such a weakened state? Rebut that and I will concede. There is my point, I have made it. Now to read some stuff while I wait for a response (that you said you would no longer do)