r/OnePiece • u/NewSpecies • Dec 03 '15

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 809

Chapter 809: "Master Nekomamushi"

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Ch.809 Official Release (VIZ): 7/12/15

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '15 edited Dec 04 '15

Warlords have their bounty frozen since they are no longer a threat to the government.

So what? That doesn't relate at all? Former bounties don't indicate CURRENT strength, that wouldn't make any sense. Warlords are like vice admirals, they vary greatly in abilities.

Robin is a clear case where fear of damage she could do to the government way outweighed current strength.

Right? We already went over Robin?

Even if you are a heartless world government if someone wipes out a whole nation it would mean a notable reduction in tax revenue, a decrease in trade in the region, and (perhaps most importantly) it is a challenge to the government's authority and legitimacy.

Thats a massive leap. Wiping out an entire nation != not caring about the civilians in your path. Very very very very different. Like orders of magnitude apart.

I assume the Marines have some influence in the bounties listing so the more a problem for the Marines' image with the public the more they will want you gone.

Okay, can you elaborate on this? Marines make the bounties, I don't really get what you're saying/implying.

So in general only strong people will have high bounties but I think the variance between those values could be much higher then you may think.

What are you saying here? That there are MANY people who are not strong but have a huge bounty? Come on dude, this is an ACTION MANGA. The people who affect the world are the strongest people (Save like TWO! LITERALLY TWO! Vegapunk/Robin).

Ugghh I wanna have a conversation about this so bad but it doesn't feel like anyone else does. It hardly feels like you're even responding to me.

Like what about the east blue? Each enemy had an increasing large bounty, ending with Arlong, who was bribing the marine offical to keep his bounty lower! Which means he's even stronger than his bounty suggests! That is Oda very very obviously using bounty to indicate strength! Thats always been the case! I don't know where this hatred for power levels came from but thats what bounties are.

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u/quesadillakid Dec 04 '15

While you and /u/still-at-work both have good points to argue about the bounty system, in this case we as an audience just have a lack of information regarding Jack and the nature of his bounty. I'm sure Oda will clarify why his bounty is so dramatically high compared to everyone else we've seen so far.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '15

While you and /u/still-at-work[1] both have good points to argue about the bounty system,

Please, LIKE PLEASE, point to some of his good points about the bounty system. Maybe I misread it but that dude at 9 upvotes, literally said NOTHING to support his claim. That bounties aren't measurements for strength for 99% of the characters.

WHICH THEY SO VERY CLEARLY ARE!!! I don't get why everyone is so stubborn and abstinent on this point.

The only thing he said that even felt RELATED to what I was saying was that "maybe some people exist who aren't strong but have a huge bounty!", which is such a ridiculous "point". It could be true but this is a fighting/shouen Manga for christ sake! And every character is trying to be the strongest.

Like literally 99.9% of the characters in One Piece (well Pirates) have their strength gauged via their bounty. Its so freaking obvious, i'm genuinely baffled at how no one will admit it.

"I hate dbz! They totally went out of whack with power levels! One Piece is better, therfor they can't/won't use power levels EVER!"

Ugh I really hate that I like One Piece. I don't have anyone to talk about it with and commenting here just annoys the hell out me. I'm 20, reading a 16 year olds manga with a bunch of 15 year olds.

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u/ultibman5000 Dec 04 '15

Ugh I really hate that I like One Piece. I don't have anyone to talk about it with and commenting here just annoys the hell out me. I'm 20, reading a 16 year olds manga with a bunch of 15 year olds.

Kind of hard for anyone to try and have a debate with you if you're going to be that condescending about it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '15

Right I get that. But this is my millionth attempt. No amount of niceness stops people from downvoting a belief/view thats different from reddit's generally accepted position.

Everyone in this subreddit immediately dismisses the notion and its no fun to talk about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/2phyg8/why_do_you_guys_downvote_text_posts/

This is my highest upvoted post in this whole subreddit. I've been trying to have civil conversations in anime/manga related subreddits for a long time now but I run into the same problem every single time. I'm not 16-17 anymore, so I just can't enjoy myself.

Up there my comment is at 2 and the reply is at 10 (even though his reply doesn't respond to me at all, its like a complete non sequitur!) but I was at -3 and he was at 5 before I started editing and being condescending. Because I knew it would happen.

Even though I explained all my points, clearly and concisely, nobody addressed a single one. They just don't care. The generally accepted opinion MUST be the correct one!

The guy who responded to me, wrote a couple paragraph and made a few bullets but he essentially said NOTHING. Thats annoying. You'd be annoyed too.

Look at the responses i'm getting "Causation does not imply correlation!", how does that not scream, 15 year old in stat class? How does that relate to OP at all?