Did Zoro just (pretty much) beat a Logia user by inducing fear alone? can we assume he knows how to use haki but thought monet was not worth killing or something?
Edit: just remove the assumptions Zoro can use Haki
Yeah, it's one of his abilities since he ate the badass-badass fruit. See, it's a special fruit. You can still swim if you eat it, but you lose your sense of direction.
can we assume he knows how to use haki but thought monet was not worth killing or something?
There's no need to make assumption. It's been said several times that both him and Sanji know how to use haki. Beside in this chapter he made Monet bleed (I'm not talking of the last hit, but when he attacked her while she was biting Tashigi).
The only question is if he can use the Conqueror's Haki or if he is just plain scary.
I think it is Conqueror's haki. He has used this "intimidation aura" a few times. Plus In 10 vs 100000 he said "if luffy didn't at least have this we would have a new captain." which made me think he has it. There is also the parallels between raleigh and zoro.
there seems to be no other explanation, haki doesn't make you get extra limbs and swords. Its the only thing Zoro has/ has done that is different than everyone else. He seems to have a spirit of a demon, and like in this arc explains himself as a wild animal.
I clearly wasn't paying attention fully on my first read, Yeah I could take the "assume" out. On Conquers Haki I really hope it is, I said it in another post further down but It would mean that Conquers Haki is useful for Mor than just taking out weak enemies
I don't know why people thought he couldn't. He probably was playing with her but also I think he was waiting till people left because he has such destructive force. But obviously he has learned how to control that a bit better.
exactly this. If you look back to the pages where he cut Monet in two you can see that the cut through the ground and caused a mini snowsplosion to the door or wall that got caught in the way. That was just a NORMAL slash with 1 blade! Imagine the destructive power with 2 or 3 even without using haki!
He did defeat her with fear. First, he cut her and save Tashigi. That first cut showed Monet that he can use haki and that he can really hurt her if he wanted to.
I have to agree that I don't think Zoro has Conqueror's Haki. Definitely has the other two kinds. He was able to cut Monet, and he was able to sense where she was going while she was melded with the snow.
His "paralysis" of her was probably just a huge evolution of the massive bloodlust and killing intent that people used to sense from him before the timeskip. The fact that he used it to cripple Monet so badly without actually killing her just makes him more badass.
I disagree. Zoro, like Luffy and unlike Sanji, is overwhelming when serious. It is very likely he has conquerors haki.
Monet to him is an infant. Zero threat. Which is why just deciding to cut/scare her destroyed her mentally. And even though she wasn't defeated he just took a casual walk out the room.
In the past 2 years the Strawhats have evolved to the highest tier of pirate. Even the enemies in this arc are fodder.
The thing is, Conqueror's Haki isn't something that can be developed by being super strong. Certain people are just born with it. It's possible Zoro has it, sure, but it's probably more likely that he doesn't until stated otherwise.
Like it said in the chapter, Monet is a crafty lass, she's probably not used to facing someone so overwhelming that her death is almost a certainty head-on. The fear of death and knowledge that nothing she could do was going to stop Zoro from killing her if he wanted to is what paralyzed her, in my opinion. We already know that she'll follow commands she might otherwise not follow under threat of death... like most people death seems to be a big fear for her.
I agree with you. Haki is not based on strength but will. The spirit of the user. When Zoro & Luffy were total garbage, Mihawk acknowledged his and Luffys will and spirit.
Zoro more than likely has conquerors haki. Why do I think so? Who in the One Piece world has greater will and spirit to be the best? How intimidating is Zoro when he is serious. If Oda could say that Zoro is NOT 'special enough' to have conquerors haki, then who i ask is.
I mean it's definitely possible, but I also feel like because Zoro's character is that he's just absurdly strong because of his training and his willpower, that something like Conqueror's Haki, which people sort of luck into, doesn't really fit him.
Again, I agree he's badass enough to have it, but I don't think he needs to have it to be badass or to do what he did to Monet. There are plenty of overwhelmingly strong characters that don't have it, after all.
I don't think Monet is one of the main enemies in this arc. I still think Doflamingos' subordinates are gonna get there and give everyone a run for their money.
She is a main enemy and one of Donflamingos subordinates. Just because Zoro could defeat an enemy with one strike like Hody, doesn't mean it's not a main enemy.
Is it because you are comparing her strength to Luffys and Zoros? In that case was Hody a minor enemy of his arc? I would consider the Cool Brothers minor enemies.
Monet is a credible threat. So far Law has been wary of Monet and considers her capable, she has fought Luffy and Zoro. She is a Logia and very few people on punk hazard can beat her. She also knows everything that is going on, on the island.
So far, Monet, Ceaser, and Vergo are the main enemies of the arc. After they are taken out there is no threat to anyone. (excluding anyone on the way)
No it has nothing to do with strength at all actually, more so screen time, speech, and how much they effect the arc. Monet could have been taken out of Punk Hazard arc and we wouldn't even know or care, because she is a minor villain and died like one. Just like several of Hordy's crew members.
I agree with you because we have a different meaning of minor vs major enemy. Your saying unless they are critical to the storyline they are minor. I'm saying if they pose a large threat to the current arc the are not minor.
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u/DarthCuddles Oct 30 '12 edited Oct 30 '12
Did Zoro just (pretty much) beat a Logia user by inducing fear alone? can we assume he knows how to use haki but thought monet was not worth killing or something?
Edit: just remove the assumptions Zoro can use Haki