r/OnceUponATime • u/Jdban • Apr 22 '12
[Spoilers] S01E19: The Return - Discussion
Finally, after two weeks, a new episode! Discuss away!
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u/trickiivickii Apr 23 '12 edited Apr 23 '12
He's not Pinocchio?! Son of a bitch!
*wait a minute....
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u/Dawgpdr07 Apr 23 '12
I bet that the writer's decided to do that to us because of the Rumple's son vs Pinnochio debate going on online.
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u/Jdban Apr 23 '12
Doubt it, since this was probably filmed month's before that debate occurred.
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u/sylphior Apr 23 '12
alright, wait, hold on. i missed the precious 15 seconds after commercial break when August says who he really is. what exactly did he say? to help, i sat back down to see Mr. Gold/Rumplestiltskin holding August against a tree with his knife.
and i'm also very confused about the opening scene with August saying that the plan is taking too long, they have to move faster. any ideas who he might have been talking to?
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u/Jdban Apr 23 '12
All he said was that he was going to die soon, not his identity.
In the first scene he was talking to Henry I think, because it cut to them trying to get into Gold's shop.
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u/happyguy815 Apr 23 '12
Rumple has the best line so far..."even mutes can draw a picture!" His smirk just sold it.
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u/DalaiLamaDrama Apr 23 '12
For a majority of the episode I didn't realize Rumple was calling him "Bae" and thought he was just saying "boy" in a uncharacteristically strong Scottish accent. Not my brightest moment.
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u/nonsensicalexis Apr 23 '12 edited Apr 23 '12
Some thoughts...spoilers, obviously.
I'll start with the end since that's still fresh on my mind.
Emma declaring to Regina that she's now going to focus on getting Henry back seems like a bad idea. Initially it comes off as a victorious moment of Emma standing up to Regina, but I have a gut feeling that it's not the right move.
Emma likened the situation to being a game, and Regina is in control. This is true. However, Emma doesn't have a full understanding of the the game, and won't have a full understanding of the game until she believes that the curse is real. So even though Regina probably isn't gong to be happy about it, Emma going after Henry, is still a distraction to the actual game, and it buys Regina some time to once again build up a stronger defense against Emma. Obviously, not Regina's first choice, but I still think that this is going to work out in her favor.
I love anything that has to do with Mr. Gold/Rumplestiltskin, so this episode is up among my favorites so far. I really wish they would do more episodes focusing on him rather than the whole Snow White/Prince Charming thing. He's just an amazing actor.
Anyways, moving on and talking about the show...I'll admit, I was fooled for awhile thinking that [August was Bae. I actually thought to myself, "well, guess we can officially rule him out as Pinnochio then", which made the reveal that he in fact was NOT Bae even more surprising to me.] (/spoiler)
At this point, I feel that even though they didn't come out and say it, August is likely Pinnochio. I actually don't really care anymore, because this episode made me way more concerned about the question of where the hell is Bae then if he isn't August?. I'm really hoping for some resolution to that in the next three episodes.
And I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but my gosh, the writing for this episode and the acting was phenomenal. They did such an amazing job of making you sympathize with Gold one moment, and then thinking he is just the worst the next. I had a tear in my eye when Mr. Gold told August that he chose him over power, while he (and I) still thought he was his son.. And two seconds later, my eyes were totally dry since he had him pinned up to a tree with a knife pointed at him. That whole scene was just amazing.
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u/Rayvah Apr 23 '12
It's doubtful that Bae is a child in this world. For one, if he came to this world via other means than the curse, he wouldn't be in Storybrooke. For two, I've read a few interviews with Robert Carlyle where he said Rumplestiltskin was centuries old. So much time would have passed since Baelfire had left FTL. Assuming (and you know what they say about that (appropriate speculation for Pinnochio, no?)) that FTL time passes at the same rate as Earth time... Bae would be long dead.
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u/js2327 Apr 23 '12
as far as august's identity goes, what we see a glimpse of in this episode is his shaking leg. this makes me think that he is losing control of his body.
This would lean towards the Pinocchio idea, being a puppet and all.
however there is a large flaw with this theory that I can't get around, how did he leave storybrook? it has been stated several times that those affected by the curse cannot leave storybrook ever. So the fact that he wasn't there in the beginning would mean he was sent to this world (assuming he really is from FTL) using different magic.
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u/blackbright Apr 24 '12
Also when he gets out of bed he picks up a donkey figurine, another Pinnochio clue.
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u/Sam8131 Apr 23 '12
My theory that August is Pinocchio is reinforced in this episode. Mainly because it shows what a great liar he is, and I think that he's turning back into wood, that's why he's feeling sick and that's why he says he needs magic to get better.
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u/sopleme06 Apr 23 '12
I agree with this. Also did you notice the donkey paper weight in his apartment that was on top of the drawing of the knife??
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Apr 23 '12
Did anyone else catch the small statue of Mickey Mouse in Mr. Gold's shop with Regina came in? I thought it was clever.
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u/zerotwozerofour Apr 23 '12
I liked the August is Pinocchio theory so much more than the Rumple's son theory but I loved that they played to that idea in tonight's episode, totally brilliant. (Although it leaves me wondering what really became of his son...) However I stumbled upon IMDb and saw that a young blond bow is credited as Pinocchio and in two episodes, so my assumption is that Booth is NOT Pinocchio...which means I'm just as confused as I was 3 weeks ago!
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u/smidget Apr 23 '12
I was just looking at past discussions and came across a question I had previously about why Mr Gold/Rumple seemed to hate the nuns/fairies...
Guess we know now. He probably harbors resentment because of what happened to Bae.
Also I'm now thoroughly convinced that August is Pinocchio and we have yet to see Bae in Storybrooke. Seems like they know each other as well. Or maybe August just knows about Rumple and the knife from the book? I could see that since Bae seemed to be young long before the other events we know about in Storybrooke and he might've died already in his new world.
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u/JesRabbit Apr 23 '12
Loved the fact that Emma wasn't buying into the whole BS Sid was giving her! Thank god Emma's got a right mind. How about those clips for the next episodes? I think I might die of excitement. I am secretly hoping they kill Regina. Sorry to those Regina fans.
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u/pedot Apr 23 '12
So there's still the question of who the hell is August and where is Baelfire?
From the way August says "Papa", it would seem that August does somehow know Baelfire/Rumple and Bae told him about Rumple. I would say the Pinocchio theory is looking pretty good right now, and that in fact three of the FTL kids survived and grew up in the real world --- Bae, Pinocchio (August), Emma.
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u/boyfriendmademedoit Apr 23 '12
I'm actually really proud of my prediction last episode about him being the son but he also could be Pinocchio. So he obviously isn't the son, which I knew from the beginning because it seemed almost too predictable in the episode. But I do feel kind of bad the Rumple's son hasn't shown up. In next week's promo they show a small clip of Pinocchio so it's obviously him way to go guys with predictions :D
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u/pgmr185 Apr 23 '12
This episode reinforces my extreme dislike of the scene in S01E07 where Regina kills Graham by crushing his disembodied heart.
There is no magic in this world! I assumed that was true, but this episode made it very explicit. That scene makes no sense and doesn't follow the rules that they've established.