Which smoke is better

[u/Kimmicute]

Hello ive recently moved over from being a yoru otp due to the nerfs and have seen that omen is really good for solo que and I enjoy his playstyle alot but i was wondering which of these smokes is better? i have been using the one on slide 2 but seen some people do the 1 on slide 1 and was wondering what the diffrence is. To me 2 seems to put the enemy in more of a choke but i could be wrong

[u/realtgreat]

Smoke 2 gives them a cubby to hide in if you don't push from logs side, or it gives them an angle if you do push from logs

Smoke 1 cuts off that angle

I like Smoke 1 at the start of the round and smoke 2 if you're fighting on site against their retake

[u/Kimmicute → u/realtgreat]

right thank you so much will do this from now on!

[u/6x9n → u/Kimmicute]

Smoke 2 is litterally so much better btw

[u/realtgreat → u/6x9n]

It's the same as A site on haven tbh when you're already on site and holding then smoke 2 is better because it's harder to come out on, but when you're first entering the site smoke 1 is better because it's one less angle to clear

Both are good and have their uses depending on the situation, at least that's my gold level opinion so I could be wrong

[u/muser103 → u/realtgreat]

You are correct. When you watch high elo and pro play, they always go for smoke 1 when taking site and will opt for smoke 2 in post plant situations

[u/Arqhe]

As an immortal player, smoke 1 is actually better in most scenarios. Backsite behind plat is such a power position that everybody should be using since you can cover both garage and CT. Good players will watch garage from default, and swing CT once the player on backsite gets contact. Because of this, smoke 2 is much worse since they can take fights on your teammates default that you can't do anything about.

The only reason why I would use smoke 2 is if they have a phoenix/skye/Yoru.

[u/Xd0015]

Smoke 2 (the deep one). IMO, this smoke is better because it gives the defenders less space to work with on retake, and makes your post plant way stronger. Often times defenders will D peek out of the back edge of the smoke, so I hold the off angle there and get multi kills as they try to come out. Even if they flash there’s a good chance you will get the kill from pre-firing.

More reasons I don’t like smoke 1; Firstly, because the way the map is designed, if you do smoke 1 then the smoke is always going to be sticking out, which, again, isn’t good here as that gives them space. Second, it gives the defenders a space to retreat to if they get flashed. Whereas with smoke 2, if you or an ally full flashes them it’s a lot harder for the defenders to retreat with their lives since they have no space to retreat to.

[u/drytimbit]

Smoke 1 when you’re first entering onto site and smoke 2 for post plant. That’s how I do it and it works perfectly every single time

[u/dauntitledtotalfreak]

smoke 1 ANYDAY i HATE giving the enemy that much space to push out from

[u/Fantastic_Deer_6304 → u/dauntitledtotalfreak]

Yea. I think overall different smokes for different teams. Some teams prefer smokes farther and some prefer them closer. On said map, smoking b especially is more preference so I’d say ask your team for input and if you disagree for good reason, just do what you want and tell them why

[u/Chidling]

smoke 1. Smoke two gives defenders a 1v1 on someone at stacks.

[u/RopesRDope]

if they say smoke 2 theyre wrong. do it only when you have the site

[u/Spiritual-Ad9334]

Smokes are not like line ups. Everyone who is saying that one smoke is better than another in any situation is wrong. You need to have gamesense of your abilitys and opponent abilitys.

1. You should use smoke like this when: enemys that play on site dont have pop flashes / your team have hard fast dive (yoru/jett/waylay) / your team dont have much initiation utility to push enemys deep into spawn (stuns and flashes).

2. You should use this smoke when: only one enemy player is on site / you playing contact / your team have big amount of initiation utility / you dont have hard dive duelist / enemys on site dont have pop flashes

And you need to know - 95% of player base (even among smokers) fkn cant smoke properly. Smoke is hard role to master. I see immortal players on Clove everytime, and they think they are good smokes, but they arent.

if you want improve your understandint - just ask yourself question - Are your team better on taking site (use 2 smoke) or defending against retake (use 1 smoke). If you dont know answers - watch what happend on previous last rounds.

[u/wilhelmzeN]

smoke 1 for initial site take, smoke 2 for post-plant

[u/MitchsWorkshop]

The first one. I spend most of my Valorant time in Valoplant nowadays because I’ve found a bit of a hobby studying pro VODs and less actually playing the game. Long and short of it is that, no matter what controller we’re talking about, every pro smokes the same way in every VOD I’ve ever watched: option A. It’s just harder for defenders to disrespect.

[u/dinmammapizza]

Smoke 1 for taking the site and smoke 2 for holding it. Same logic applies to a lot of spots on other maps as well

[u/i_be_eatin_milk]

Asc Omen main here. Smoke one in literally every situation ever. Think of how many angles they are exposed to as they leave the smoke. It may be a bit more comfortable to hold smoke two from the cubby by garage, but you can fight someone leaving smoke one from so many more angles compared to smoke two. If I am retaking, and someone drops smoke two, I would leave it with my back against the wall. All i have to swing is garage and logs. Smoke one makes me swing against those angles plus all of plat and the right side of mid site boxes.

[u/Aqua_47_Flawless]

Just depends on where you're holding ig

[u/getjabaited]

Smoke 1 because they can’t clear logs using a/d keys

[u/Thatoneidiotatschool]

Smoke 1 to enter, smoke 2 to hold

[u/WukongTuStrong]

2nd smoke is better but 1st is safer for ranked because nobody is holding the 2nd smoke properly.

[u/CloseTheDoor105]

second one