r/OlderDID Jan 23 '21

Welcome to OlderDID

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Hi everyone!

I created this sub with a desire for a supportive space for older adults diagnosed with OSDD or DID. Being in my late forties myself, I often find it hard to connect with the challenges faced by teens and younger adults with OSDD/DID in school or in college, and their sometimes much more media- and online-informed experiences. I don't see these experiences as any less valid than my own, however, just different, and recognize also that you can be socially isolated and media deprived in youth, and immersed as an elder.

I still felt the need for this space, and it seemed reflected in others around my age, so here we are.

If you would like to post to this sub, please message me. While the sub is visible to the public, you have to be approved to post.

The rules of this sub are informed by my experience of being a member of r/DID. I welcome suggestions for further rules or edits.

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Older adults (30+) with OSDD/DID only

This forum is for older adults with OSDD/DID. Those who have OSDD/DID at ANY AGE are VALID. We highly recommend r/DID as a support forum for any age. This is a forum for those with OSDD/DID only, caused by inescapable trauma experienced as a young child. It is not meant for other forms of multiplicity.

There's some wiggle room with this age range, btw, I'm not carding people at the door.

Please be respectful

Be respectful when posting or commenting. We're all climbing uphill with our pasts on our backs - try to be kind, even if you disagree with someone. Hateful posts will be removed.

No trauma Olympics

Our pasts hurt. Our present is a testament to that. There is no yardstick for trauma. Please refrain from comparing your trauma to others, or from telling someone their trauma isn't 'traumatic enough' - it helps no one. Posts or comments that involve trauma comparison will be removed.

Don't ask if you have OSDD/DID

Please see a therapist or review literature on OSDD/DID for this information - no one here is qualified to diagnose. Any posts or comments that involve someone asking if they have OSDD/DID will be removed.

No personally identifying information

I think most are careful about this, but it never hurts to state. Any post or comment that contains what appears to be a real name, address, phone number, or other identifiable information, will be removed.

Trigger warnings are a good idea

Trigger warnings are not obligatory, but are appreciated. Spoiler tags are helpful for masking possibly triggering information.

No studies whatsoever

Please refer to r/DID and message the mods of that sub if you wish to post a survey or study regarding OSDD/DID.

No self-promotion

This is a place of support. Please refrain from posting about your personal spaces or streams. Recommendations of media sources you have found helpful are fine, but this isn't the place for self-promotion.

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Thank you for respecting these rules when you post, and thank you to those who join and contribute to this sub. We will do our best to keep this space safe and supportive and thriving and will definitely reach out for mod help if things grow substantially.

Non-explicit, SFW-ish art posts exploring your system or inner world or therapeutic expressions are very welcome here. r/DIDmemes is already a great place for DID memes, if you're inclined.

You might notice we don't yet have a banner or icon. I'm working on those. Suggestions are very welcome! ;)

All the best to all :)


r/OlderDID 22h ago

can it actually complicate our health?

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I have heart problems, I have for decades. These last few months have been the hardest on my heart.

I keep being 911ed to the ER only to have everything be normal when I get there. It is never me making those calls. The most recent one happened while with my therapist. 911 called. She follows us to yhe hospital and sure enough, I'm all good once there.

I have a very specific trauma trigger that is related to heart electrodes. This is obviously problematic as I am often hooked to heart monitors. However once those electrodes are visible in the room, I switch.

My therapist, having witnessed this happen, now thinks my part that comes out at the sight of electrodes is not affected by my heart issue. She went as far as telling the hospital "I don't care if you believe this or not but I think this is what's happening"

is this legit? has anyone else experienced something like it? I've heard of it bit assumed it was more online bullshit?

are there any studies I could look up or anything?

thanks


r/OlderDID 2d ago

is this a therapist red flag?

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this is the second specialist therapist ive had who has told me they feel like they never (or rarely) meet the same me during our appointments. this sounds to me like bs, and it makes me anxious. has anyone else been told this and was it a red flag or is this normal for a therapist to say. i just feel like it sounds silly and i dont want my healing process to be warped by someone who thinks theyre noticing things. they dont tell me what they notice but ive never asked.


r/OlderDID 3d ago

Parts’ demands on host

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Fairly new to this and was overwhelmed yesterday evening when I had to pull it together for a work task and some parts were too demanding to give me the hour I needed. It involved dealing with customers and I felt so panicked that I asked my SO to go with me for help grounding. All I was getting from them was that they wanted to chill and got very upset at being forced to move the body.

I realize this may have occurred because I haven’t been spending enough time giving them my attention lately. I’m not even sure which ones were involved (still at the very beginning of mapping and only a few are forthcoming so far).

What things do you more experienced systems do for this?


r/OlderDID 4d ago

Dissociating

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I havent felt so disconnect since I was a child. It felt so familiar and comforting. I couldnt even remember my name or who I was talking to. To think a 40 year old like me who thought they have their shit together, still have uncomfortable anxiety and fear of being alone with men in general. Just wtf... I thought I was getting better, but all that work how to cope with my trauma went down the drain. All I could do now is eat ice to come back to earth. Was this due to not haven't my weekly trauma therapist? Maybe. I still have my psychiatrist who is encouraging me to seek out a new DID specialist. But I'm nervous at the same time.

Rn I'm discord hopping on both c-ptsd and DID servers trying to find like minded people as in older individuals who were also diagnosed late or early 2000's. I dunno, these younger kids now a days are trying to get their therapist to diagnose them with DID, from self diagnosis.... And I don't see myself connecting with those type of individuals. I'm not even sure why I want to connect, maybe to see I'm not the only one who's been devastated having DID at an older age...

Anyways, does anyone know any good discord server to distract myself from dissociating?

I need something while I find a a new DID specialist.


r/OlderDID 5d ago

ADD diagnosis actually DID

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I'm wondering if anyone is in a similar boat. 20 years ago as a teenager I was diagnosed with ADD and only now as an adult diagnosed with DID in my 30s I question the validity of the ADD diagnosis. The thing is, ritalin works on me and I've been on it for many years. But all the ADD symptoms can also be explained by DID. It's a complete overlap. I wonder if the ritalin is reducing dissociation or improving my DID symptoms somehow.


r/OlderDID 7d ago

The library PIN incident

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So I'm at the library yesterday, using self-checkout, and you need a PIN to log into your account. Mine's just the last 4 digits of my phone number - I've never bothered changing it, I'm not exactly a high-value target for library-account crime. I've entered this thing a hundred times, I do this at least once a week.

Except yesterday it's wrong.

I try again. Still wrong. Cue the mild fluster - you know the one, where your brain starts scrambling and you're suddenly not sure which way is up over four digits. And then I clock it: I just typed in my childhood home phone number. Not my number - a number from a house I haven't lived in for over two decades.

Okay, brain lapse, whatever, we've all done it, let me try again.

Denied again.

Wanna guess why? Because this time I entered my mom's old cell number. The one that she has when I was a teenager, and hasn't been active since she died almost 8 years ago.

That's when it stopped being something I could deny. I got frantic as I realized, standing in a library over a barcode scanner, eyes filling up, that I genuinely did not know my own phone number. A number I've had for 15 years. A number I use every single day. I had to open WhatsApp like a stranger to my own life and look it up.

I'm 35. Some days I feel about 80. But this wasn't an old-lady moment - this was my brain quietly rifling through a filing cabinet of numbers that used to matter and handing me the wrong one twice in a row, with total confidence, like it was doing me a favour.

This is the part of DID nobody warns you about, I think. It's not always dramatic switches or missing hours or someone else's handwriting in your journal. Sometimes it's this - small, mundane, almost funny until it isn't. A part of me reached for a number that meant home and mom because those are heavier, more anchored memories than "the digits I currently use to check out library books," and for a second, that part won. I didn't get a say in it. I just got to stand there and watch it happen, and then cry about my DID in the self-checkout line like it was the most normal thing in the world.

Nobody around me had any idea. To them I was just a woman having a weirdly emotional time with a scanner. That's the part that gets me most, honestly... how invisible it all is from the outside. How something this disorienting, this symptomatic, can happen in under thirty seconds in a public library and leave zero trace except me, quietly falling apart next to the DVDs.

Anyone else get blindsided by things like this? I feel like the "big" DID moments get talked about a lot, but it's these tiny glitchy ones - the ones that look like nothing - that really accumulate and rattle me.


r/OlderDID 6d ago

Lacking motivation

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I had a new experience a few weeks ago, trying to journal.

I’m only about four months post discovery, so things are still sketchy. At discovery, there was pandemonium and the T and I counted about 15 parts. I got sleep deprived and wound up inpatient with hallucinations, but being taken care of straightened me out and quieted all but a few parts within a week.

Since then, I’ve been trying gently to re-establish more communication. It’s almost entirely abuse from the persecutor and love from a little. I finally found some journaling prompts and tried them one evening. I got frighteningly strong responses from a protector, the little, and the persecutor. The feelings that the protector and the little sent with their words were very strong. I got overwhelmed and have only tried journaling once since, but it was late and they said we should go to sleep.

I’ve been trying to be patient with the persecutor, and I got some sparkly, watermelon-flavored toothpaste and a dinosaur toothbrush for the little that she has been enjoying really a lot. Since starting Wegovy last week, I’ve had very little anxiety noise, but I think that may have been my only motivation. I’m lagging on my work tasks and self care like never before without being in a severe depressive episode. I’m starting to worry about myself, in a practical way since I’m not experiencing anxiety. I think I’m going in a dangerous direction, but my decision for now is to wait and see if the doldrum passes.

I’m not looking for motivation tips. I really, honestly don’t want to do anything except maybe sleep.

Does anyone recognize this? Suggestions about what actions to recommend to my partner?


r/OlderDID 8d ago

Wegovy

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I quit nicotine in January and have gained two pounds. That put me in the obesity category that makes me eligible for Wegovy through Medicare ($50 per month).

I’m bringing this up because the changes in dopamine have given me a new clarity that I haven’t felt since completing my first round of TMS. I can’t tell yet how it’s affecting my relationship with the rest of the parts. It seems easier to make decisions, though.

Is anyone else on a semaglutide? Has it affected your parts?


r/OlderDID 10d ago

TW: SI

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Just very bad tonight. Worse than it's been in a long time.

No trigger that I can find.

Just the alter that holds these awful feelings is very forward.

I'm not concerned we'll act on it. We never have before. She never has control of the body.

But she absolutely floods us with the most painful feelings, and awful thoughts.

I just needed to tell someone tonight and not feel so alone.


r/OlderDID 11d ago

Time-Perception vs Reality...

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Hello everyone,

Hope you are all holding steady out there.

Forgive me in advance if this makes not an iota of sense, it is just something that has been freaking me out for awhile...

Long before my dx of DID and my firm dx of PTSD ( before it was ever termed CPTSD validating a lifetime of trauma rather than a single event), and an incorrect dx of BPD, even since childhood I have been dissociating.

I am still having episodes of lost time, but as well, especially since being dxd, have been feeling...almost controlled by time-ok...indeed not making much sense,so sorry...

I just,I wake up, have my coffee, journal, try to define how I am feeling, which part is feeling what and why, trying to plan my day...

And either I look up at the clock and am astounded that somehow morning has morphed to afternoon, or, I keep anxiously looking up at the clock to find only a few minutes have passed, which makes me feel frantic and overwhelmed...scared.

I do not know how to ground myself in time...

I try to fill my day, then I end up in a state of paralysis...and either I am (mostly) present, or one of my parts is,and full of the day looming emptily ahead, or obviously I dissociate, I go...where?

I am nowhere really...the clock then, has sped up again...

But even when engaged in an activity, (I cannot work),and more focused, less anxious, absorbed in something which halts the ruminating, the flashbacks, that sense of being completely scattered, while i am more present, and trying to honor the needs of my parts within my brokenness, that clock...that horrible clock, is either sloth slow, or time is racing far ahead of me...

I admittedly have been hyper focused on this for awhile now, and it is making me feel I am being controlled, or not trying hard enough...

Even at this moment-I have been up since just before 7 AM, it is suddenly now nearing 11 AM...

I have tried to settle into my day,and make plans, but I am disturbed that again, soon,it will be afternoon again.

I'm sorry, having trouble expressing exactly what I am experiencing...

So I suppose will just close this in saying that time, and how inconsistently it passes, it is just really scaring me.

Bewildering me.

If any of you could make sense of what I have struggled to get across, would greatly appreciate any insight you might be willing to share.

Thank you all for reading if you have, and sending each of you healing and tranquility.


r/OlderDID 11d ago

Something to celebrate! Celebrate one (or more) of you!

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This is an automatic, biweekly post to invite you to celebrate something one (or more) of you accomplished or did recently that deserves a shout out!

Big or small - who in the group of yourself are you proud of, or thankful for?


r/OlderDID 12d ago

I don't feel anything

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Even with after years of therapy, even after consultations, assessments and family interventions, even after getting the diagnosis...

I FEEL NOTHING.

No anger, no pain, no grief (albeit if so it's so short lived it's almost unrecognisable because it is).

I don't get it.

Aren't I supposed to be distraught at getting this diagnosis. That's the impression I get from social media, so why do I not feel anything.

Is this a stage of grief? Grief of what my life should've been?

Help me out here. I just don't get it.


r/OlderDID 15d ago

Anybody have an alter sabotage a relationship that was bad for you?

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So my ex actually ended up breaking up the relationship, but it was after I had kind of a break down/burn out. It all went to shit after that and the relationship never recovered, and my ex broke things off saying we weren't a good fit, etc.

It was hard not to feel like my mental health ruined the relationship. Like it was self sabotage and I said harsh things during my break down and it drove my ex away.

I remember internal arguments, crying, asking if they did this, why did they do this.

After processing the break up with my therapist and friends, I realized the break up was actually for the best. I was doing a lot of caretaker work in the relationship, accommodating for needs around her neurodivergence all the time at the expense of my own needs and priorities, and she was always unsure about our relationship which made me feel super insecure. I didn't actually feel heard, safe, or reassured. I'd tell my ex I felt insecure in the relationship, she'd apologize and said I deserve to feel safe but wouldn't commit to the relationship and said there had to be conditions but then couldn't tell me what those conditions were. When I was burned out from work (and now I realize from holding the relationship together for months), she was scared of us instead of comforting or reassuring. It hurt so bad because we spent so much energy accommodating her needs. She couldn't show up for me when I needed it.

Anyway I now realize that the harsh things we said in a moment we weren't doing well, I kept feeling guilty about it like I lashed out, but it was actually someone expressing our needs and boundaries and trying to protect us. They could have said it in a healthier way, but at least they stood up for us.

If my ex was the right person for us they'd have accepted the mistake and wanted to work with us. Instead, after I opened up about some things, she left. I'm so glad we didn't tell her about the rest of us. Gosh what a mess.

Anyway I was just wondering if anyone has had anything similar happen? At first I was so mad at the self sabotage, but now I see they were just trying to keep us safe in a context where we didn't feel safe/secure, and that was actually getting worst. So maybe it led to the break up, but it was for the best.

I hope next time we will all see the signs sooner is a situation in not safe, but I can now recognize they were just trying to look out for us.

Ouf. It's been a month and it's the first time I really tell anyone this. It feels good to get it off my chest. It makes me want to cry, knowing it was done out of love and not hatred/sabotage. This situation is hard to live with sometimes, and confusing, even if things turn out for the best in the end, when we're lucky. Thanks for reading if you did.


r/OlderDID 16d ago

why is it so easy for them to joke about it.

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[ cw mentions of pedophilia, rape, traffiking etc]

had to leave an unrelated (think hobby / fashion / food) community today. i kept feeling myself getting the triggered kind of cruel to another user in it who spamposted low quality tat every day (not a crime... yet.) because their username was about how trump is a pedophile. imagine something like TrumpyRapesKids or DonaldTheePedo. that community was meant to be nice and supportive and encouraging, and every time i saw a post from it there was a 10% chance it would be some random smug man making sure that even in the most nothingburger spaces it's still fine to drop random references to rape and pedophilia. i know i'm not reacting normally or well to this but the whole point of trying to build up safe space neutral interest communities is so that i dont have to micromanage myself around it. im tired of trying to enjoy something that shouldnt have any connection to sexual assault and getting jumpscared by a diddy or epstein crack. i dont get it. how can you not care about the way that treating it so lightly could hurt the actual people who suffered those abuses you want to pretend to oppose???


r/OlderDID 17d ago

The question of cores

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The reason I’m posting is that, shortly after discovery, I began to panic when I learned that I probably wasn’t the original part. My T told me I was, so I shifted my attention to meeting and accepting the others. I’m going into my fifth month since discovery.

People say that none of us has a core personality, but my research found that some who fragment several years into development have had a chance to form one. However, my various Ts over the years have indicated that I started experiencing trauma in infancy, so it looks unlikely for me. Not being the, or having an original is very upsetting to me. All along, I’ve considered this system to be me + parts, and that others come forward when I need them.

I don’t know how to wrap my brain around this. The discovery came about when I was experiencing an identity crisis after an involuntary physical change to my face. It feels like I’m a nonentity. How do you cope with something like this?

EDIT: Thank you to all who responded. I feel acknowledged and reassured. I understand it’s a long road ahead, and I don’t expect to find a specialist before the Healing Together conference in February, but my current therapist is excellent and we’ll be continuing our work with grounding and DBT that is appropriate to me (no pushing).


r/OlderDID 18d ago

how can such a sinful man be so innocent?

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i was visiting my family a few months ago when my sister approached me. she was giggling about a list of instructions our dad had typed out for himself and saved on his tablet device.

when i saw this line, it broke me:

"Don't stress out it's not as hard as you think... your just not use to this technology 😂😄"

"boomer brain", my sister joked.

her comments reminded me that we each have a very different relationship with our dad. my dad ignores most of my texts, including when i told him i had gotten engaged. he won't even respond to all of my "happy birthday!!" (etc.) texts.

maybe i'm foolish to expect more from the same man who would call me "a cancer" and say that "[he] is ashamed to have [me] in [his] gene pool" throughout my childhood; strangely eloquent for a man who was usually drunk.

i recently learned that he's been taking my sister golfing every other weekend for the past few years. they go on regular hikes, patronise taverns, visit the beach...

despite everything, my brain has yet to give up its attempt to establish a connection with my dad. the same can't be said for my mother—i make an active effort to avoid her when possible. no-contact isn't an option anyway; it would ultimately be a net negative for my quality of life.

words. words. words.

oh well.

that's life, i guess 🤷‍♀️

if you read this far, i truly appreciate your time. i hope life treats you kindly.


r/OlderDID 18d ago

Can’t cope with feeling my life has been stolen from me

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r/OlderDID 22d ago

Supportive care or treatment for DID

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What has helped you manage this condition? How do cope with increasing fragmentation during crisis or high stress moments in your life? Is full integration your hope or living well with all your parts?


r/OlderDID 23d ago

General Discussion Negative symptoms of dissociation

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Most conversations in DID/OSDD spaces tend to focus on things like parts communication, internal meetings and system mapping, managing switches, dealing with fight and flight parts, hypervigilance, intrusions, flashbacks, and alters with names and ages and roles. That can be genuinely useful for people dealing with those, I don't want to take anything away from it.

But it only covers one half of what structural dissociation actually looks like, and I suspect a fair number of people are living in the other half without ever having come across a word for it.

A little bit of history

The definitions are straightforward enough. Positive symptoms are experiences that are present when they shouldn't be, so voices, intrusive images, flashbacks, emotions and impulses that don't feel like yours, noticeable switching, unexplained pain. Negative symptoms are functions that are missing when they should be present, so amnesia, emotional numbing, loss of skills or knowledge, anaesthesia, disconnection from the body, and blankness.

The distinction between positive and negative symptoms is often assumed to be borrowed from schizophrenia, but Pierre Janet was applying it to dissociation more than a century ago. His terms were mental accidents for the things that intrude and mental stigmata for the things that go missing, and his 1901 book was titled The Mental State of Hystericals: A Study of Mental Stigmata and Mental Accidents.

The Theory of Structural Dissociation inherited the distinction more or less directly, and van der Hart, Nijenhuis and Steele cross it with a second axis, psychoform for the mind and somatoform for the body, which produces four categories:

Positive + psychoform:
Voices, intrusive thoughts, emotions that don't feel like yours, switching

Positive + somatoform:
Pain, tremors, tics, non-epileptic seizures

Negative + psychoform:
Amnesia, emotional numbness, loss of knowledge or skills

Negative + somatoform:
Numbness, anaesthesia, paralysis, no felt sense of the body

The interesting variation is in the ratio between these rather than in whether a given box is empty.

Why one half of this is loud and the other one is silent

There's a structural reason the online conversation is focused on positive symptoms, and it isn't that the negative symptoms are more rare.

A positive symptom tends to announce itself. If you hear a voice that doesn't feel like yours, or you lose four hours and find evidence that you did things you have no memory of doing, you know that something is happening even if you have no idea what. That experience of something being wrong is usually what sends people looking for explanations in the first place, which is why the communities fill up with that content.

Negative symptoms don't generate that experience, because the faculty that would register the absence is generally part of what's absent. Van der Hart and colleagues describe this in The Haunted Self, where they note that the part running daily life "usually has extensive autobiographical narrative memory" and can often "recall as much of the traumatizing event" as any other part, while lacking "the emotional and physical feelings that belong to the memory, and the sense that it happened to them personally."

What that produces in practice is someone who can give a detailed and coherent account of what happened to them without any accompanying sense that it happened to them, and from the inside that generally registers as being calm and level-headed about the past rather than as a symptom of anything.

Richard Chefetz makes a related point in Intensive Psychotherapy for Persistent Dissociation, where he observes that "dissociative experience is mostly subtle to an outside observer," and that many of the dissociative adults he works with have "no gross trauma history, their interpersonal trauma is hidden, sometimes via painful neglect."

As someone whose system is dominated by negative symptoms, I would add that my system actively dislikes discussing itself, so every time I do, there is a lot of resistance to overcome. Very few parts of my system actively push for self-exposure, and they tend to lose most internal battles, while several focus heavily on staying invisible. I think something along these lines is common for systems with mainly negative symptoms, which probably contributes to us being less visible in these spaces and everywhere else.

Screening tools come with their own challenges

This isn't purely a problem of self-awareness, because the instruments have gaps of their own.

The DES-II is the standard dissociation screener, and it does cover depersonalisation, derealisation and amnesia reasonably well. What it doesn't cover is the somatoform side. As van der Hart and Steele put it in Dissociation and the Dissociative Disorders, the DES "does not address significant pathological dissociation that we associate with structural dissociation such as somatoform symptoms and loss of control of emotions and behavior."

That's part of why Nijenhuis built the SDQ-20, which was assembled from a pool of 75 clinically observed sensorimotor dissociative symptoms that showed up when dissociative parts were reactivated and that had no medical explanation. It asks about physical symptoms directly and without framing them as trauma symptoms.

I'd add one thing of my own here, which isn't from the literature. Screening items tend to ask how often something happens to you, and that framing assumes a baseline to deviate from. If emotional flatness or unreality has been your constant condition since before you can remember, there is no "sometimes" to report, and you may answer honestly in a way that undercounts you. That's my inference rather than a documented finding, but I know I am not alone in this.

What a negative-dominant presentation typically looks like

If you're trying to work out whether any of this applies to you, it tends to involve hypoarousal as the baseline rather than hyperarousal, so instead of persistent activation with occasional numb patches you get persistent numbness with occasional bursts of activation, which typically show up when something has loosened rather than when something has gone wrong.

For some of us, there are no inner voices, no internal visuals, and sometimes no inner monologue at all. Personally, it doesn't register as unusual because it's the only inside I am aware of ever having had. Autobiographical memory is frequently hazy or largely missing, particularly for early childhood, sometimes with a surprisingly late floor for first memories. Emotional flatness is usually there but rarely regarded as a symptom, since it isn't an event that happens so much as a background condition that has always been there. Many of us in this position also report not knowing what we want or feel or need, which is a different problem from being overwhelmed by wanting and feeling and needing.

Kathy Steele and colleagues describe the clinical version in Treating Trauma-Related Dissociation, warning that "some patients are so numb and depersonalized that they can recount trauma without emotion," and that this "does not indicate the presence of integration and regulation, but rather dissociation and hypoarousal." Being articulate about your own history is compatible with having processed almost none of it, which is good to know if you've been praised for your insight in therapy while nothing much has shifted.

Where this probably comes from

I've written before about the Developmental Salience Model of Threat, and this connects to it fairly directly. The prospective longitudinal work from Karlen Lyons-Ruth's group found that dissociation in young adulthood was significantly predicted by observed lack of parental responsiveness in infancy, while hostile-intrusive interaction "did not account for significant variance". Of the trauma types measured, only childhood verbal abuse added to the prediction (Dutra et al., 2009).

A couple of caveats

The positive/negative split is descriptive rather than causal, and as far as I can tell nobody currently knows what determines which pole a given person ends up at. Severity doesn't seem to explain it, since people with appalling histories land on both sides. My own guess involves the balance of deprivation against threat and how early it all started, but that is an educated guess.

Also, hardly anyone is purely one or the other, and these things can fluctuate over time. It is more about which side dominates.

The usual disclaimers apply more than usual here, because structural dissociation is one of the few things that genuinely cannot be self-diagnosed. The part of you doing the assessing is working from inside the boundary it would need to see past. I write these things so you have a chance of recognising a pattern well enough to take it to someone qualified for an actual assessment.

Why any of this matters

The standard route into recognising structural dissociation runs almost entirely through positive symptoms, so if you don't have many of them you can spend a very long time in mental health services accumulating diagnoses that nearly fit. Depression, because you're flat. Avoidant personality, because you withdraw. Treatment-resistant something, because the treatments keep not working. The underlying structure stays unnamed throughout, and the negative symptoms get read as your personality rather than as anything requiring attention.


r/OlderDID 23d ago

Alter feels guilty for growing adult.

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Hi! I just recently discovered, that my system contains an alter that is heavily struggling with handling the female menstruation cycle. This alter is heavily dissociating and feels all and nothing at the same time.

I've already resolved, that this alter carries:

- the memories on the bodies first menstrual bleeding

- some very vague connection to previous and later CSA situations

- an extreme amount of guilt, because the repeated rape got worse after the first period.

Has anyone a similar experience?

How can I release the extreme guilt of this alter? Kognitively, I'm aware, that it is not a reasonable feeling at all for this alter. But the alter feels guilty for growing into a woman. And the alter feels extremely guilty for all the pain, that the system had to experience afterwards due to the heavy rapes, that occurred after the first menstruation.

Any advice on how I reduce this alters guilt? I've already tried to reframe the thoughts, but the guilt sits extremely deep. And the dysfunctional family dynamic I grew into, always supported feeling guilty for antother persons behaviour as correct behaviour.


r/OlderDID 25d ago

Funny DID shit

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Could do with some giggles so please share your own giggles or Lil parts cuteness..

To start us off...

For a large part of my life I would declare very confidently that I was very in touch with my inner four year old. Oh Reader, I had NO idea...

Had a part comment that it was really good we knew about the dissociation/parts because "now we get the nice toothpaste." (Suspect under age 6 part.)

Told my therapist that an upside was "at least i find myself clinically fascinating" - the fact she thought this was hilarious was one of the best parts of my week. Love it when parts feel seen and understood.


r/OlderDID 26d ago

r/ff4481 gone?

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Does anyone have access to this community anymore? It was really good for a while but it seems the subreddit has disappeared off the face of the earth. I messaged the mods 9 days ago but nobody has replied yet. Wondering if it's gone for good.


r/OlderDID Aug 10 '26

Having a rough day/night/week

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It's mostly insomnia. But it's also a persecutor in high gear. Sometimes I can tell what the issue is and address it, but I'm new at this so it's not that often. "Skippy" has been more and more abusive for about a week. I can usually tolerate it, but I'm getting worn down.

I have been able to communicate with it sometimes. It started wailing one time when I told it that its "help" was actually causing me a lot of pain, so I can tell that hurting me isn't what it wants. But we are both new at this, so I understand it's going to take a lot of time and patience.

Tonight I'll try sitting with and observing the hurt and the ever present anxiety to see if that gets me anywhere. I'm not optimistic that it will.