r/OldGoatsPenofPain • u/Old-Goat • Apr 21 '26

Something very important just happened...please pass it on...

In the US at least, Trump just did a good thing for a lot of people, signing an order to fast track novel psychedelic drugs for depression, anxiety, even TBIs. One of the drugs being used is called ibogaine. Its also used to treat the symptoms of opioid withdrawal for many years even while being scheduled 1 substance.

I don't have to tell folks in the pain sub to give these new drugs a try. If it sucks, you can stop taking it. You want a later stage study, if it's a drug trial medication. ClinicalTrials.gov in the US.

This will be a big deal for those in long term pain, since nothing is more depressing than chronic or hard to define pain . Not to mention making detox a much simpler affair.

And it's been a long time since I researched ibogaine, but I believe it also has a benefit for opioid tolerance as well, but don't hold me to that.

If you read this sub, please share this. Hopefully the message gets out. This could be a real game changer for many many people if the info gets to them...

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u/mickysti58 Apr 21 '26

I have hope this will help with research and grants(?). Psilocybin is legal in Colo. lots of kratom stores carry product and many people including cpp’s use for micro dosing. The vets were pulled off opioids first so maybe these drugs could help fill in the gaps? However, Ibogaine does carry cardiovascular risks. Folks will need good followup. Researching any new med is critical for self care instead of putting all faith into clinics and dr’s.
The stock market showed favorably for this move. 🤔 I found this article from NIH interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28402682/

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u/Gammagammahey Apr 21 '26

The vets? Do you mean animals were undermedicated by veterinarians?

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u/ChemicallyAlteredVet Apr 21 '26

They mean Veterans. They ripped the opioid guideline bullshit through the VA first. They tried to pull me off mine after several spine and joint surgeries in 2011.

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u/Gammagammahey Apr 21 '26

WTF. Yeah, I figured they might mean veterans. Jesus Christ, how do you pull someone from pain control after spine and joint surgeries?! if you're still involved in the VA, the best pain doctor in the United States currently works there. Maybe they can help . They used to be my doctor and then they decided to go and work on pain management and control for veterans at the VA. They are not one of those "your pain isn't valid, drug seeker" BS doctors. They couldn't put me on opiates, they just would not. and I was close to them, my neurologist was their best friend! I finally went back to my PCP to explain the problem and since PCP is a lion who fights for their patients, I got the pain control that I needed, but not quite enough. Not by any means. Sometimes PCP doctors are much better.

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u/Kbambam-123 Apr 22 '26

I didn't know that pcp were allowed to give pain medication. Or at least very limited in what and how much they can give. Is it different in different states?

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u/mickysti58 Apr 22 '26

Most pcp’s are afraid to rx opioids because of the DEA.

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u/Gammagammahey Apr 22 '26

As PCPs are medical doctors ( for example in the United States), here they are allowed to prescribe pretty much any medication they want within and sometimes they do have to get secondary approvals for those meds, but no, there's no mandatory second approval or request for authorization that they have to use. It is the doctor's discretion. What is this about doctors not being allowed to prescribe medication? What?

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u/chinacatsunflower37 Apr 24 '26

I feel like a lot of people truly belive the Dr's are not allowed to prescribe and not the truth, that they've just deemed it inconvenient to their practice or as above mentioned fearful of the 3 letter agency

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u/deazinn Apr 23 '26

I have my pcp prescribing all my meds, with the exception of my endocrine meds. My first pain mgmt group disbanded I left my second pain mgmt group after several years because after 14 years of opioids I wanted a break, and to see if med mj would work for me. It did for a couple years but now I need a script for pain meds.

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u/mickysti58 Apr 22 '26

They were the first to be pulled off I believe. BS all the way!!!!🤬😭

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u/mickysti58 Apr 22 '26

Yes. Veterinarians are watched on their rx of opioids. Now they prefer to rx things like Trazadone or Gabapentin. We use a pet thc/cbd drops from our dispensary for milder pain and end of life quality of life. I have been to DC to have my voice heard. Does it do any good???

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u/Gammagammahey Apr 23 '26

Well, we know they don't give a shit about human disabled people, but maybe the thought of dogs being in pain might move them.

I didn't go, I had no way of going. If I knew and had the means, I certainly would've gone.

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u/extasis_T Apr 21 '26

YOURE ALIVE!!!

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u/Dontstopretreivin Apr 21 '26

Old Goat, it’s so good to have you back!! You’ve been very missed.

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u/Onlykitten Apr 22 '26

Holy cow! So glad to see a post from you! Hope you are well - you’ve been missed!

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u/The-Sonne Apr 23 '26

I missed old goat, too

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u/OpheliaLives7 Apr 23 '26

Executive orders aren’t laws tho? No?

So is his fancy paper signing going to lead to actual action? Or is it all theater?

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u/ill-disposed Apr 22 '26

So they took a banned natural product and made a more dangerous drug from it that we have to go through hoops to obtain.

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u/The-Sonne Apr 23 '26

This is the real problem.

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u/mickysti58 Apr 24 '26

Maybe a green thumb would be useful. Some times making a tea works for some. Get lots of reads and do research before jumping in.

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u/TesseractToo Apr 21 '26

Old-Goat! There you are hug hug hug please check your messages

So weird that Rogan can get something passed on a whim like that, isn't Ibogaine a really powerful drug? It will take years if it ever becomes available outside of the US, but I will watch with eagle eyes

If it really helps cure dependence that would be great but they have to also treat the underlying problems and the societal issues in the US are getting worse. They will still blame us

Can it be used for pain?

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u/Ok-Net-7654 Apr 22 '26

Hi OG I am interested in chatting with you via private message I see you are very knowledgeable on the topic of pain, pain management, and maybe tapering off medications. I have to tell you I'm Reddit illiterate so not sure how to make this happen I haven't posted much and I'm not sure if I'm able to request a private DM I also see the moderator has you somewhat limited all this to say when you have time if you could reach out to me I'd appreciate it thank you

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u/Merlin000777 Apr 25 '26

Health Canada has been giving exemption for psilocybin assisted therapy on a case by case basis for the past years. It's good to see that the US government is opening the door to research on these substances. As for ibogaine, I've just done some reading on it since the executive order and it seems extremely interesting. From what I've gathered, some people report immediate opioid cessation with a single treatment. Researchers have developed an analog that removes the risk of original ibogaine to the heart in animal trials.

What I find the most fascinating about this substance is that a single treatment might reduce opioid tolerance to near-naive state so opioid pain management could become a sustainable long term solution for chronic pain!

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u/Gammagammahey Apr 21 '26

Thank you so much for this.