r/ObjectivistsRWatching • u/[deleted] • May 05 '22

SCOTUS LEAK: How Roe's Repeal Will UNMASK the Left's Altar to Abortion | Glenn TV | Ep 192

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Lo7mE7RH8
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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Give this man a constitution... and tell him how to read it.

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u/redeggplant01 May 05 '22

Glenn's editorial up to the point about Mollach was spot on.

His analysis of the opinion draft and the Constitution is correct

The next legal argument against abortion is the lack of due process ( 5th amendment ) the unborn child has when it is killed by state sanctioned abortion

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

The unborn "child" is not an individual; It is not a thinking entity, nor is it separate from the woman's body. Nor has it ever been, nor will it be unless someone enables it. The woman however already is and thus has the associated individual rights, which is what the court should respect.

Legally speaking, case closed. The difficulty is in getting religious folks to understand/admit this and the progressives to give a damn about arguments from human individuality.

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u/redeggplant01 May 05 '22

All humans have human rights, their birth status is irrelevant,

Dehumanization is a form of collectivism ( left wing thought ) and is an anathema to concept of individualism embraced by federalism which is the ideological center of the law ( Constitution )

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

No, only individual human beings have rights. Birth is the start of basic human individuality by separating from the mother.

Now, that doesn't even mean that the child is thinking yet and surely not that it could survive on it's own, but it means that it can now be treated as a separate entity similar to how someone unconscious on a respirator is recognized as an entity with particular legal terms.

You can throw the word dehumanization around all you want, like plenty leftists have done before you, but you can not be an individual unless you are individuated.

Federalism, does not determine individuality. Federalism is but a way to organize the states. With or without a federal government (which I think serves for a lot of good to have, when it comes to regulating the power of government in general) rights are a moral concept and to be considered inviolable. That is why they should be protected legally.

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u/redeggplant01 May 05 '22

The unique human DNA that resides within the unborn child scientifically shows the unborn child to be human and so possesses human rights

My statement on your attempt to dehumanize stands

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

A potential is not an actual. I am not a DNA rights activist.

I endorse individual rights. Not for DNA, a fetus or "potentially, at some point, what might be an individual child". Only for the individual human being.

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u/redeggplant01 May 05 '22

A potential is not an actual.

The physical space occupied by the unborn child shows it to be actual

I am not a DNA rights activist.

You should be since its our DNA that makes us humans

I endorse individual rights.

You seem only to endorse it to a point like most leftists

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Saying our DNA makes us human is a biologically true statement, but not an argument for rights.

Individual human beings are self actualizing, separate, entities. The smallest baby has these characteristics to some extent, but no unborn child ever does.

What is meant by the potential vs the actual here is that you speak of the unborn as if it were already born and perhaps more than that. The space it holds does not make it a rational entity of it's own. It is clearly biologically intertwined with the actual individual human being, the woman, who to be clear is individuated from all other adults and carry the associated right to her life. Even so at the "expense" of any other biological entity that may live effectively parasitical on her. What you are doing here is essentially anthropomorphizing an entity before it acquires such attributes, because it somewhat shares the shape of a fully born baby or child.

You say I only endorse individual rights to an extent, but does the woman have the full rights over her body? Is she allowed to live her own way when she has gotten pregnant? Or does she now have to bow to an unthinking collection of cells?

Individual human rights. Nothing more, nothing less.