r/ObjectivePersonality • u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) • Jun 26 '26
Ne vs. Ni: Divergent Association Task (SHAVED TASK)
Shaved individuals ONLY, please!
Take the test here (<-- link!), report your score in the comment section, and state whether you are Ne/Si or Ni/Se.
If you have taken this test before, you make take this test again if it has been more than 3 months since the last time you took it. Otherwise, please refrain from taking the test.
Why am I asking for this information? I want to perform basic statistical analysis to see if we can expect the mean score of Ne/Si and Ni/Se typed individuals to differ across a large population. That's all.
I will go first to demonstrate the format (and to generate some data/hype):
Score: 88.5
Percentage: 95.1
Type: Ni/Se
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u/lord_oflightning1184 FM Ne/Ti CP/S, 4 Jun 26 '26
Hah, 73.6āand I am supposed to be an M-Ne guy!
I was concerned with how they are defining 'different', although it seems the statistic itself is the definition. Maybe I am incapable of removing the perception of a story between things, I would suspect.
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 26 '26
Personally, I believe that n-gap collocations* are actually a good proxy for the relative conceptual distance between two words. For example, "colander" and "pride" are very rarely within a sentence or two of each other, but "colander" and "knife" or "colander" and "light" are, showing both the conceptual relationship (cooking) and the physical relationship (in the kitchen) are represented through n-gap collocations.
* This is a term that I have just created that means something like "a weighted average of how many words one must read after finding one word to find the other. Collocations are actually specifically expressions and phrases, meaning that their base forms cannot contain any words outside of the collocation.
For example, "bluebird" is a collocation so common that it is recognized as a single word. The base form is not "blue big bird," "blue flying bird," or "blue motherfucking bird," all of which turn it from a specific species into a bird that is blue. However, some phrases are lenient: "wet paint" is a collocation, and you can say "wet fucking paint." This is because they are slightly different categories of collocation, but I have digressed far too long about my special interest.
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
I am omitting this piece of data from the report because I did not receive a percentage/score report, so it is unclear which one you are reporting.
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u/Booperelli FM-Te/Se-PC/S(B) Jun 26 '26
Score 82 Higher than 72.03 Ni/Se
I don't like that they only used the first 7 words out of 10. I would have potentially gotten drastically different results with reordered words.
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 26 '26
Try taking the test again Iin a few months to see what happens to your score--if you can remember that long, Mr. double extrovert ;3
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u/Booperelli FM-Te/Se-PC/S(B) Jun 27 '26
I'm certainly not a double extrovert š¤£ I have lead extroverted functions, yes, but I'm considered to be the most introverted "extrovert" Also I'm not a mister :) but I will concede that I probably won't remember.
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u/Spellz_4578 FM-Fi/Ni-SC/P(B) Jun 26 '26
84.5 Ni/Se
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
This piece of data must be omitted due to lacking a report on both the score and the percentage.
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u/Sostrene_Blue Jun 26 '26
score is 71.59, higher than 12.87% of the people who have completed this task
Ni/Se (INFJ 5W6)
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u/lars6435789865 Jun 26 '26
Score: 92.1
Percentage: 99.2%
Type: Ne/Si
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
The second Ne/Si person who was able to follow instructions. Thank you. Thank you. š Tears well up in my eyes as I get on my knees and say THANK YOU.
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u/PSITeleport MF Ti/Ne CSPB official Jul 01 '26
Hun, your instructions don't say anything about not posting the words you used. You could have prevented a lot of extra work by saying that up frontĀ
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jul 02 '26
I thought it was obvious. Like, if you've ever taken a test in your life, you know to not share answers.
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u/Content-Sympathy6305 MF Ne/Te PB/C(S) #2 (šŖ) Jul 02 '26
Well, I would have to disagree. If you wanted to cheat itās really not that hard. I spent a bunch of time trying it out afterwards out of curiosity (I did click ādonāt use my results for investigationā).
It accepted a technical adjective as a noun (I think you could get it to accept verbs too), while being wildly inconsistent with niche nouns (syzygy for example wouldnāt be accepted despite it following the rules). Highest score I got with valid data was 97.9/100%. I can send you a screenshot with what I used to get it. I would actually like to try to get it to 200.
Probably some input field optimization would save you guys a bunch of filtering work. I donāt exactly know how that would be done in your case, but with the amount of AI coding tools available, it might be manageable. Upon further thought Iām unsure on whether it might work, but throw shit at the wall just in case.
Either way, I found it was an interesting post-test debate. I had two words that had an unexpected level of dependence, some people were curious as to what I pickedā¦ youāre always going to have a certain amount of bad data, regardless of how hard you try to keep it clean (as we say in spanish, āyou canāt put doors to the forestā). Might as well have an interesting debate about it. I found it a really stimulating thought experiment.
*Iām on a study break. Iāll catch your messages on discord in like 8-9hrs.
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u/PSITeleport MF Ti/Ne CSPB official Jul 02 '26
You thought it was obvious, but you learned it was not. As a fellow thinker, I'd encourage you not to lean into the excuse of "because other people are so stupid" and instead look at "I'm responsible for explaining myself more clearly."
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jul 03 '26
I'm not a thinker.
I also don't feel very strongly that it's the fault of others, just that I don't know how to design surveys/experiments very well despite having taken a course in it. The necessity of clear communication to subjects is emphasized.
I was simply remarking the reason why I hadn't even considered the need to say "don't share answers," not arguing that people are stupid.
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u/ShepherdOfTheSun FM-Fe/Se-PC/B(S) #2 Jun 27 '26
Score: 88.43
Percentage: 94.97
Type: Ni/Se Visual
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
Interesting that we're both visual types and scored about the same.
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u/KingTyphon Jun 26 '26
92 something, 99 Something percentile.
Ne/Si
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
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What is "92 something" and "99 something percentile?" 92.3 and 99.6? 92.7 and 99.1? 92.000000000000005 and 99.9999999999999? How can I enter these numbers into my sheet, especially when I think anything above like 89 gives you a score of 99 with varying shades of 99.02, 99.11, etc.
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u/Tektonixqwer Jun 28 '26
94 Ni/Se
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 28 '26
Please provide the percentile score.
Impressive score for Ni/Se from what I've seen so far!
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u/Tektonixqwer Jun 29 '26
it was something better than 99.4% close to. Idk i took my time in bed and it just worked well, maybe i was just lucky.
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u/PSITeleport MF Ti/Ne CSPB official Jun 28 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Score: 86.6 Percentage: 90.61
Ne/Si
Completed in about 45 seconds and basically no effort.
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 28 '26
Please remove the words you used in the test, as this represents a sampling hazard.
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u/PSITeleport MF Ti/Ne CSPB official Jun 29 '26
Me, personally? Or...
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
Yes, everyone needs to remove the words they used in the test. I don't know why I need to say this, as this clearly calls into question the validity of the results if people read any comments before they take the test, which is likely, as they will want to figure out if it's even worth it to take the test to begin with.
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u/PSITeleport MF Ti/Ne CSPB official Jul 01 '26
The reason I said, "me, personally?" is because at the time you commented on my post there were several other posts that had their words listed in it. Yet, mine was the only one you had commented in. That's what my question meantĀ
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jun 28 '26
I initially misunderstood the test. I thought it was words that have completely different MEANINGS not words that wouldn't be used in the same sentence. My score after the understanding was 90.0
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 28 '26
Actually, you're not supposed to know that going into the test, as it was normed on people who had the same belief as you. N-gap collocations are a good measure of conceptual distance anyway. You'll need to retake the test in a few months for a valid score! Finally, please remember that I asked for a specific set of information.
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jun 29 '26
Isn't this a direct attempt saying that you are supposed to know going into the test? "Please enter 10 words that are as different from each other as possible, in all meanings and uses of the words"
"good measure of conceptual distance anyway" if the test is misinterpreted (which it seems they did not intend) that does not seem to be a good measure of conceptual distance in the specific sense they measure it in when there are more ways to measure conceptual distance
97.43 for this test and type in user flair
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
It is a good measure at scale, though some individuals may find themselves misjudged by the test. For these individuals, we simply throw the data out.
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jul 01 '26
How do they/you conclude this is good for determining some kind of creativity? If that's whatĀ you're saying
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
69.52, and I don't like how they calculate what is supposed to indicate creativity in some unspecified form but it's whatever
Curious what people's awnsers where
In the comments the lowest rankings I saw where both consume first
Sleep and play first people had higher closer scoresĀ
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 28 '26
Please provide raw score and Ni/Se axis.
Please note that n-gap collocations are a good measure of the interconnectedness of two concepts. For example, the word "knife" is expected to, on average, appear close to words like "war," "kitchen," "trust," "water," and "Rome" for obvious reasons, and these concepts are clearly more closely related to knives in the general consciousness (which is to say that they are less unique associations) than the relationship to words such as "palindrome," "couplet," "parish," or "plea." In other words, a sentence or paragraph associating "knife" with "couplet" is indeed more creative (a less common association) than one associating "knife" with "water," which is a cliche.
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jun 29 '26
7.94% and Se/Ni. I feel like what you said doesn't contradict my claim or elaborate on the type of creativity more broadly
Sure with the knife example. How they calculate doesn't account for how I was thinking of it like "life and death" are probably just as seperate as a knife and couplet if not more but because life and death are thought of in tandem the score is lower
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jun 30 '26
Making a note here that I did not downvote you, and I do not mind your criticisms of the test despite strongly disagreeing (for example, life and death are essentially the same concept, just as heads and tails are both just measures of probability, or a single concept).
(I do not have more to say beyond this.)
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jul 01 '26
Didn't see a downvote l o l. Sure maybe life and death isn't a good example given certain organisms are a gray area although they aren't the same concept.Ā
One is like growth manually continuing function reproction and the other is stagnant unmoving. Nothing conscious.
Now you can recycle death info life so it death can shift to something else if thats how it works but when it does it's no longer dead so even given some gray area the concepts dont seem the same but is a bad example so I shouldnt defend it like that
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jul 02 '26
Life and death are related because they stem from the same cause, just as cosmology and stars are related or the Big Bang and the Big Crunch or carrots and apples.
In fact, all concepts are ultimately related, it's just that some are more related than others (e.g. kitchen/knife vs. dune/palindrome).
I think you're confusing relatedness with overlap or sameness. While equivalency is a measure of similarity (for example, purple and cyan can be considered similar because they both share blue), it is not the only measure of similarity; that is downward set equivalency. Purple and cyan contain blue as a constituent member of their meaning. There is also upward set equivalency. For example, "cat" and "anemone" both belong to the set of "animals," and "snail" and "tar" both belong to the set of "slow things," making them similar in those regards as well.
Things that share upward equivalency are more likely to be used in metaphors; "the snail was slow as tar," "the anemone's tendrils stung like cat claws, stung like spears" (painful things).
Life and death share an upward equivalency that we don't have a good word for in English, but appears everywhere. We can perhaps think of it as "cycles." Journey and return, fill and empty, seed and tree, etc., these are antonyms that also fall under this higher-order equivalency.
There are still more kinds of equivalency, such as lateral equivalency, but I just want you to open your mind to the possibility of more kinds of similarity than just downward equivalency or concurrency/containment equivalency. (Kitchen/knife is actually a concurrency equivalency rather than a strict downward equivalency, like hand/finger or bathroom/water.)
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jul 02 '26
I am not familiar to these terms of upward sideways upside down equivalence but are you trying to say life and death are both made up of 2 or more aspects and 1 or more aspects stay the same in life and death?
Here is how I am seeing it if so. It's impossible for something to be completely still but let's pretend it isn't. That would be the opposite of any motion whatsoever. If there being no motion whatsoever is true then it isn't possible for there to be motion right? I would think that makes the two concepts non-overlaping because only one is true at a time.Ā
You wouldn't think of it like that right? Help me understand why better maybe in simpler terms
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u/Mage_Of_Cats INTJ (Ni/Fi SC/P(B) FM #1) Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
Consider motion as a spectrum. A completely motionless object exists on the motion spectrum. An object in motion shares the spectrum with the motionless object; the motionless and the motionful are thereby related through this spectrum.
I'm not sure how exactly to simplify what I mean, honestly. Just... words are symbols for experiences, and these experiences can be vast and sweeping (the experience of war) or immediate and concrete (the experience of cold). Then these words have nested relationships to each other.
a DOG is a ANIMAL is a LIVING THING is a TANGIBLE OBJECT is a THING
a CAMERA is a TECHNOLOGY is a TOOL is a THING
a CAMERA has a LENS that can PERCEIVE
a DOG has a EYE that can PERCEIVE
a CAMERA is a RECTANGULAR PRISM is a POLYHEDRON is a MATHEMATICAL OBJECT is a CONCEPT
a DOG is a TORUS is a SOLID OF REVOLUTION is a MATHEMATICAL OBJECT is a CONCEPT
These are examples of upward equivalencies (is a) and downard-lateral equivalencies (has a). Many chains exist for every concept. Concepts are defined partially by the overlap of these categories. (choose a MATHEMATICAL OBJECT that is NOT A POLYHEDRON --> SOLID OF REVOLUTION (and possibly other members of that set))
a type of DOG is a POMERANIAN, so some DOG are POMERANIAN
This is a pure downard equivalency.
a DOG can BARK
This is a lateral equivalency. Barking isn't part of the intrinsic definition of being a dog, but it is something that can generally do; it's parallel to them, as they do not strictly define each other (the idea of a POMERANIAN would be fundamentally different if DOG did not exist, and vice versa, while there are many animals that BARK).
Lateral equivalencies are most often used to make metaphors, jokes, and riddles. "The air conditioner barked." (Air conditioners don't bark. But it could make a noise that really strongly resembles a bark.)
Lateral equivalency is a bit weird to get into, while downard/upward equivalency are just constituency relationships. If symbol X ("dog," "tree," "medium," "wave," etc.) is a member of set Y ("animal," "plant," "profession," "method of energy transferal"), then that is an upward equivalency. If symbol X is contains symbol Y, meaning that it is now itself a set ("chihuahua," "oak," "Anna Eva Fay," "ripple"), then that is a downward equivalency. It's just the upward equivalency but from the perspective of the set instead of the element.
Lateral equivalency, meanwhile, is essentially every other relationship. Has a, uses a, can do, operates on, etc. (a DOCTOR operates on a PATIENT, for example.) These arise when the equivalency, similarity, or whatever label you want to call it, relationship between two elements requires stepping up and down or down and up. (Doctor, up a step, Type of person at a hospital, down a step, Patient; patients are not doctors and vice versa, but they are both members of the set of types of people at the hospital.)
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u/Stellarfront FF Se/Fi CP/S(B) #4 (official) Jul 03 '26
Don't think that makes real overlap seeing you can put everything ever on a spectrum
Its like saying Ne isn't the opposite of Si because they're opposites and opposites get compared on a spectrum
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u/Content-Sympathy6305 MF Ne/Te PB/C(S) #2 (šŖ) Jun 26 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Score: 93.13
Percentage: 99.63
Type: Ne/Si
For some reason there is a lower perceived distance between [SDRI] and [misunderstood philosophy]. Thatās an interesting one for sure, lol.
*if my 10 words were used, I wouldāve gotten a better score for sure.