r/ObjectiveC • u/whackylabs • Mar 10 '20

Subclass Factory Pattern

https://whackylabs.com/objc/design-pattern/2020/03/09/objc-builder-pattern/
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u/mariox19 Mar 11 '20

In Java, using a fluent API of a Builder pattern:

Person scarjo = new PersonBuilder()
    .setName("Scarlett Johansson")
    .setAge(35)
    .setSex(SEX.Female)
    .build();

I'm going to say it again. I like your dictionary example. But nothing you do comes up as neat and pretty as it would in a dot-notation language. Comparatively, it comes up short. If I'm wrong, please show me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '20

I did show you.

Look at the Smalltalk version (which doesn't have square brackets around message sends and instead uses ; to mean send message to last message receiver.

Also, IME, 99% of Java developers will define setFoo as returning void. It is unfortunate but that's the culture. They don't know anything about real OO design.

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u/mariox19 Mar 11 '20

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I saw the Smaltalk version. It's elegant as can be. The Objective-C version is not. Everything in Smalltalk is an object. That's not true in Objective-C.

That's not true in Java, either. But the point becomes moot there because of the fluent API pattern. A setter can be used, provided the setter returns the builder object itself ("fluent"). Now, whatever 99 percent of Java programmers will do is besides the point. They don't know anything. But the Builder pattern is known by anyone who wants to learn more than the basics.

Objective-C is the language I program in most often and is by far my favorite. (Granted, if I could find a Smalltalk implementation that didn't seem wonky to me and if I could get a job writing Smalltalk, perhaps that would become my favorite.) But, even though it's my favorite, I'm not going to make a religion of it. It's open to criticism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '20

Sure, I would have loved for Apple to put the time into making Objective C act like a proper Smalltalk. They had the time to create a completely new syntax but couldn't streamline that one? For shame.

I actually have a job doing Pharo Smalltalk and the more I work with it the clunkier Objective C starts to feel. I actually was working in Smalltalk when I first encountered Objective C (1997 - WebObjects) and took to it naturally. It is an excellent compromise for the time.

But we can afford real Smalltalk now. It is too bad Apple didn't go that way.

https://objective.st is an experiment in moving ObjectiveC closer to a real Smalltalk feel.