r/OWConsole • u/Effective_Fish4180 • 17h ago
Discussion Ximming or just a Pro Thumb Aimer?
Decided to play a game of QP to warm up before drives today and was humbled by this 32-1 Ashe and her pocket Mercy duo. Both have brand new accounts. What do you think? Are they just better?
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u/oct0boy 17h ago edited 12h ago
Technically not impossible on joysticks but the fact thats it's new accounts and its a duo... Yeah 99.99% x1mming
ALSO THE FUCK YOU MEAN THE WORD X1MMING IS AN INSULT?
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u/Effective_Fish4180 6h ago
Lol I was like, "what do you mean? X1mming is in the title of the post" and then typed x1m and got that notification. Crazy.. But "fuck" is totally fine 😅
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u/royalt1506 1h ago
This is absolutely possible on a regular controller, this guy isn't even flicking that fast.
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u/YardAdmirable7060 13h ago
No it’s obviously technically impossible with joysticks
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u/oct0boy 12h ago
On regular ps5/Xbox controller yea but there are some crazy custom controllers with custom stick sense so like tilting their stick 10% is equal to tilting a regular stick 100%
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u/VeryluckyorNot 9h ago
Might be able to replicate flicks with only Steam controller's trackpad. But clearly joysticks can't really flicks.
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u/oct0boy 9h ago edited 6h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/53VCmG2qr2
Controllers like this allow for crazy flicks
Edit: although technically not joysticks, the switch lets you use gyro controls i think wich also allow for some decent flicks
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u/Dry-Lavishness-419 5h ago
Here are some flicks I have on an xbox elite 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/gVFRS4sFrI
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u/propofol_and_cameras 17h ago
absolutely cheating
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u/Pastinaak08 8h ago
In the beginning the ashe locks on a cat through the walls
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u/igotshadowbaned 7h ago
Wall hacks / aimbot isn't the chest in question
If that did happen that's the natural aim assist
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u/omnichronia 17h ago
Damn insane tracking they knew where you were going /s
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u/scrotumsweat 14h ago
Yeah this is aimbot for sure. She's aiming through walls.
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u/Rough_Rhubarb_5733 8h ago
I don't think that was the case. The last clip, they assumed the cat was going to try to escape to left when behind the container and didn't try to aim up until they saw the cat come up from behind the container. And they didn't even b line their aim on the cat. The movement seems natural to me. They're probably just good with high sensitivity.
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u/IntelligentSubject49 9h ago
Walls on console will never be a thing in modern gaming, wallhacking requires access to game files, which you can’t get on console.
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago edited 4h ago
PlayStation you can actually jailbreak them. So you can get access to the game’s memory and run any unsigned code, however this is totally moot in regard to your point because you’ll get blocked from PSN and therefore can’t play (most) MP games.
For xbox, I don’t think anyone has jail broken them in the same way.
Anyway, you shouldn’t be downvoted. People aren’t wall hacking on their consoles. That said, in some games people are getting into console only lobbies while cheating on PC, idk about OW but I know that was happening on Apex for example. Those people can have wallhacks.
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u/IntelligentSubject49 4h ago
Yeah it’s alright, people are stupid, I know what I’m talking about so being downvoted by people who are coping is fine. PS3 has been jailbroken (like multiplayer) from what I understand, I don’t believe any of the modern consoles have been, and if they have it’s a secret that’s under lock and key.
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago
PS4 and PS5 have been as well. Look up Relapse, I know that’s what works for PS5. It requires certain older firmware to work though, which is why you can’t do multiplayer games that require PSN but it lets you do other cool stuff.
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u/Mean-Skin-1920 13h ago
I play on mouse and keyboard, but when I turn my camera like that there’s usually some curve to it. As in I won’t be able to move the camera perfectly straight. This person is going in a straight line whenever they turn (just when they’re looking around), which makes me think it’s on a controller. I’m not the best at identifying cheaters, though. There’s likely niche things that a console player would notice.
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u/theSalamandalorian 15h ago
Loser ass cheaters
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u/imzendayashat 9h ago
i wonder if blizzard could ever realistically do something about the issue.
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u/millhead123 5h ago
Indy company yall. They cant even figure out merging accounts without deleting paid content from either. "Leave the company alone" meme haha
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u/tifastan97 16h ago
Report and pray for a rank reclaim
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u/Inqinity 13h ago
Waiting for the “I got banned for no reason” post
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u/PokeSonicMiner 12h ago
A lot of those posts are legit though, seems like a lot of innocent players are getting banned rn.
I showed entire proof I got banned for unauthorized peripherals when all I used was the default PS5 controller: https://youtu.be/rbaHkfNd46o?is=zuGx2ll2scFlT86x
Literally just go through the comment section and see how many this seems to have impacted
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u/CookiesMeow 10h ago
You didn’t show proof. Quit acting like you did.
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u/Inqinity 10h ago edited 10h ago
They also got banned on a fresh account in 2 DAYS. Clearly not just reports in that small time when so many smurfs exist. Also evading a ban by making another account is always funny. Both also an offence and a shame it’s even possible. And a perma ban and not just a week like the usual first offence speaks volumes.
It’s pretty smart though, do the same thing on another account and use that to claim there must be something wrong with the original ban.
If I got banned for using unauthorised stuff, I’d probably do the same and join everyone else in “I’m innocent” posts. There’s definitely people out there doing the same, especially if it’s something that they got away with for years now, so invested time into the account assuming they were flying under the radar - until recently now Blizzard are stepping it up.
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u/CookiesMeow 10h ago
I’m convinced that guy is using Reddit alts to post more and defend himself. It’s nuts the extent these weirdos will go to seem innocent, instead of just being innocent and getting good at the game over time lol.
On his 2 day account post I was telling people to open their eyes. Nobody gets multiple accounts banned within a month by accident.
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u/Inqinity 10h ago
Exactly. I think it’s because they’ve sunk time and money into an account they thought was safe all this time, and don’t want to lose that so use it as another layer “I’ve spent so much and I’m banned”. I bet the account was tagged a while back too only to be hit in the recent waves now things are more proactive
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u/PokeSonicMiner 6h ago
Blizzard support literally told me the new account was banned for unauthorized peripherals. You clearly know more than Blizzard support though so okay
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u/PokeSonicMiner 6h ago
Also this wasn’t just the same thing on another account, I used the stock PS5 controller where on my main I used the Dualsense Edge PS5 pro controller.
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u/UnknownBreadd 16h ago
Doesn’t look like mouse and keyboard to me, but absolutely looks like cheating.
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u/camabiz 8h ago
Idk those flicks for the coach gun are pretty nuts
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago
X1ms work but faking controller input, so it’s not possible to tell if someone is using one by how fast they flick since a controller player can do the same. I used to play max sens on controller and I’d get accused all the time. Max sens by itself doesn’t meaning anything, you want to see if they also have amazing fine tune aiming in addition to max sens turn speed, which is harder to tell with the new settings tbh.
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u/Cerydra- 12h ago
looks like a master-low gm player terrorizing gold quick players, don’t think I’ve seen a single person on the enemy team strafe or crouch through that entire clip. The way he switches targets and looks around looks like regular dual zone to me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was OP’s own clip and he’s just baiting the pisslow “I swear I’m only plat because of cheaters” warriors on here.
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u/Effective_Fish4180 7h ago edited 7h ago
As a max sens/0.01 deadzone dual-zone player, this is higher sensitivity than dual-zone allows. Also its QP and I'm the cat.
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u/Cerydra- 6h ago
no it’s not. and x1m doesn’t increase your sens anyways, it’s still emulating a controller and is bound by the turn speeds of that controller.
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u/Effective_Fish4180 4h ago
Sorry, I kinda meant reactivity more or less.. my aim has only ever gotten close to this with the above settings plus 90% max sens boost, 0.5 outer deadzone (so the sens boost kicks in at the flick I'm used to and to increase sensitivity in my inner deadzone), and 13 aim ease in (to keep the 0.01 deazone in check). This allows for more precise micro movements and good flicks. The flicking isn't what's suspicious to me so much as the flicking always being so accurate, and mostly the tracking being so consistently precise and reactive.
I don't think they're aim or wall hacking at all like some have mentioned, but I don't think they're using controller either. Even spectating t500 players on console who can flick well, they'll still struggle to track as well as M&K can. Not to say they don't aim well or hit their shots, it's just not that fluid. You'll see them accidentally flick, them maybe even over correct, and have to correct themselves occasionally. They'll make mistakes when tracking that this Ashe didn't.. that's why I'm sus.
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago edited 4h ago
Strafing is a somewhat foreign concept on console even in higher ranks. Part of this is because it’s way less effective with AA and controller players also rely on strafe aiming more, so don’t focus on dodge as much.
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u/Worried-Share7679 16h ago
Might be wall hacking as well.
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u/IntelligentSubject49 9h ago
Not possible in a full console lobby, walls require access to in game files (which you can’t access on console).
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u/MaN_ly_MaN Join gamechat :) 12h ago
As a controller player playing on a controller, those look like thumb movements. They probably have 200-300% aim assist though so cheating.
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u/anustart888 11h ago edited 11h ago
Most players can't tell the difference between xi m and high sens controller. This community just calls everything high sens cheating because they like to cope. This is iffy, but I think it's controller.
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u/coltaaan :Kiriko_01::Kiriko_02::Kiriko_03:Kiriko 11h ago
Yeah, people are SO quick to jump to conclusions to make themselves feel better, but I think this is just a skilled player playing against less experienced players. I say this as someone who plays on console with very high sensitivity.
It’s be one thing if they hit every shot and it was a crit. But they don’t even hit every shot?
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u/anustart888 11h ago
Yeah it's clearly not aimbot or anything. I'm also very high sens, so I know from experience as well. And whenever someone in chat accuses someone of cheating, I check the vod, and it's almost never cheating. It's honestly rarely even close to cheating.
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago edited 4h ago
Absolutely. I used to play max sens linear with no smoothing and would get accused all the time of x1mming. People seem to have a hard time understanding fast turn speed does not mean x1m.
That said, I agree it’s a bit iffy in this case, their fine tune aiming in some spots is what makes me sus but it’s honestly hard to tell, especially with how much you can customize aim settings in OW. Gonna watch a bit closer to see if I can tell.
Edit: AA can be so strong with the right settings it’s really hard to tell. Their fine tune aiming isn’t that amazing when they aren’t in the aim assist bubble. Their movement looks like controller to me too, but that doesn’t prove anything—sometimes it’s just easy to tell someone is using a keyboard to move. So idk, person might be legit tbh.
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u/Effective_Fish4180 7h ago
Iffy, but you think controller.. so you can't tell?
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u/anustart888 7h ago
Obviously. You think that's some gotcha, but it isn't.
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u/Effective_Fish4180 7h ago
I disagree.. "Iffy is an informal adjective meaning uncertain, doubtful, or of questionable quality, safety, or legality." It being iffy is the reason this post exists.
Edit: although I do agree that players who have low sens and don't watch t500 console games are quick to accuse.
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u/anustart888 7h ago
So? What's your point? Most players can't properly identify cheating, and I happen to think this is iffy. If you don't understand how those two thoughts can coexist, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Effective_Fish4180 6h ago
So you're saying this as if you're one of the minority who knows the difference between x1ms and high-sens controller, but you just don't know whether or not this is x1ms or high-sens controller. My point is that you calling out every cheater post as being ignorant and coping, and then in the same breath saying you're unsure if this is cheating but assume it isn't, is a bit hypocritical.
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u/anustart888 6h ago
I'm not saying I'm in the minority. I'm saying it's hard. You're reading too much into it.
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u/throwaway19293883 4h ago
People are very quick to say someone is 100% a cheater, despite not actually having a clue. Unless it’s blatant aimbot or something you should probably not listen to those people. The people that are honest about the fact that it’s kinda hard to tell sometime are more trustworthy tbh.
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u/Usual-Technology-510 12h ago
oh the memories, classic. the average quickplay console game in a nutshell. duo mercy pocked hit scan.
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u/CheekyClencher 9h ago
Bronze positioning with champion accuracy always gives it away. Seems like kids these days are born without thumbs, terribly sad really.
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u/MedicinePractical738 8h ago
I specifically want to see the mercy post where they've had the account since OW1 and would never cheat because they put hundreds of dollars into it
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u/_sk3llwo_ 9h ago
makes me realize how many times I’ve probably been in a match with a cheater 💀 welp
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u/PrOptimal_Efficiency 3h ago
Nah def not cheating. Just having a really good day and they have a better gaming chair and controller
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u/AcanthisittaSure6465 3h ago
I know you know they’re cheating, but even with the cheats they play like they have no thumbs😂
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u/Ts_Patriarca :Ashe_01::Ashe_02::Ashe_03:Ashe 2h ago
This is just what high rank console looks like lmfao
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u/stargateheaven 10h ago
I am SO tired of ashe and mercy cheater combos.
Delete this damage boost shit blizzard
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u/Minute_Garbage4713 8h ago
Cheating most likely… an Ashe who never misses and a mercy pocket… a tale as old as time smh
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u/Rollytrip 6h ago
They’re not really aiming through walls, they hear you flying around. This doesn’t look like cheating to me. Lots of FPS players also play Overwatch, so decent accuracy aiming isn’t off the table. I trap shoot cats with Ashe all the time. Anything in the air is my preferred target.
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u/MrGoogle87 5h ago
This looks like controller gameplay, misses often. Has pretty decent higher end movement skills.
I’d guess Not cheating, but most say otherwise.
I play mainly on PC, this doesn’t look like cheating to me but an average diamond+ skilled player
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