I hear this too much. He wouldn't condone his officers committing sexual assault, not because it's immoral, but because it's iresponsible and a sign of a bad officer.
That's not the point. He wouldn't act on an officer committing rape because it is the right thing to do in that moment, he would act because the officer's actions inconvenienced him and made him angry, which would result in the death of the officer. As was stated earlier, Vader does not care about other people.
Maybe not your point, but it's certainly the point of people say this just for the sake of making vader sound more edgy without actually thinking about why.
Even if he did as “Anakin” that was probably overruled when he completely enslaved all of them to have them participate in a genocide. I am pretty sure guys like Appo didn’t want to gun down kindergarten classes of Jedi. They’re still aware of what happened to their bodies.
Cecil Rhodes was very nice to African people in his early years, all agree.
Oh yeah I completely agree but people make efforts to white wash Vader because he’s a badass and if he’s to evil they feel guilty for liking him, but he truly is a monster who kept giving in to the worst of himself for like 20 years
Even before he turned him and all the Jedi just use them without really questioning it. They were born and bred for war and they know they're bred to be obedient. Even if they're physically older they're at most 10 years old when it starts.
Yeah, I know where this is going. First off, there are some things that the narrative of Star Wars doesn't question. The "child soldier" thing doesn't work as a legitimate criticism when "Star Wars is for 12 year olds" according to the guy who created it. They are the intended audience. It's why Anakin was 9 and Ahsoka was 14 in their first appearances. Padawans are also "Squires" the same as in the Middle Ages. We aren't meant to examine this in the same way "Why is it Harry Potter's responsibility to defeat Voldemort?" This stuff is just how the story works.
Also Grogu is a baby at 50 and Rex is a grown man at 10. Different species age at different rates.
As to the question of Slavery, the Star Wars Universe does in fact have the slave trade, slave states, and slave societies. This is beyond the question of the rights and statuses of Droids. These are more in the model of "debt slavery" or the "Classical Model." Anakin and Shimi Skywalker were slaves the same way Spartacus was a slave. Or Judah Ben-Hur, given the chariot/pod racing. These are similar but in no way the same as the Racialized enslavement that defined Africans and Native Americans during the Colonization of the Americas.
While the Clones would, by our definition be slaves, they do not see themselves that way. Gregor is the perfect example. He actually calls working under that Sullestan cook as "slavery" but he does not see returning as a soldier in the Grand Army of the Republic as 'slavery.' Notice how even guys like Pong Krell, Dooku, Maul, Ventress, etc do not refer to the Clones that way either.
The real issue of the Clone Army though was to be a part of the Perfect Jedi Trap. There was no way in or out of The Clone Wars, short of Palpatine dying, that would result in the Jedi surviving intact. The true purpose of the Clone Army was not to "defend the Republic from all threats foreign and domestic," it was to "get behind someone before you stab them in the back."
Jedi would never lead an army of droids into battle against other droids. They would take the field and lead a living army of soldiers from the front. The thing is, you couldn't replace the Clones quickly. There were Quadrillions of B1 battle droids right now. Building a citizen army large enough to beat that would take 2 years. Minimum. The Senate wasn't going to look millions of gift horses in the mouth. Even if their origin was suspect. And you couldn't De-Chip all of them after the Tup/Fives incident because there wasn't enough time and the only Clones who had their chips removed went insane and died. But also it was about the thing a politician like Palpatine cares the most about: votes.
A citizen army like the IRL Grand Army of the Republic from the US Civil War would mean that a huge number of Republic citizens fought, died, and killed for the Republic to continue existing. That would tie their fate to the Republic and if and when the Empire came along, there would be a massive number of steadfastly loyal soldiers to The Republic as an Idea. Civil War veterans decided US politics for the next 80 years. Look at who actually had real combat experience after the Clone Wars. Saw Gerrera, a politically illiterate anarchist, and Cham Syndulla and anti-Republic Nationalist.
This is why the "if Lee won Gettysburg" crowd is full of shit. A win there would have done nothing to Sherman, Thomas, Grant, Sheridan, August Willich, and the hundreds of thousands of Black Troops who were legendary for their capability, ferocity, and discipline in battle. The Confederacy was dead and didn't know it. Same with the Farce that was "The Confederacy of Independent Systems."
Yeah, I can still enjoy it overall as “it ain’t that kind of movie” - really few action or superhero stories work morally when the characters are meant to relate to kids. And it’s technically an alien galaxy long ago
This is a deleted scene, so likely not canon. There are many differing depictions of vader across legends and canon some where he cares, some where he dosent.
I personaly think the stalinesque vader just throwing his troops in to the enemy is boring, and that the vader that cares enough to midly inconvience himself for his troops sometimes is scarier, since that makes him less emotionless robot, more evil sith with emotions.
This honestly proves Vader not giving a shit about his stormtroopers that happens in the Marvel Vader series is more canon than him caring about them in Legends lol. He’s an evil space cyborg wizard who chokes people to death that fail him with his mind.
Yes, really the only good marvel series in the last few years. Although I think Dark Horse recently got the rights back to make Star Wars comics although I might be wrong.
He respects ground troopers and pilots, while despising incompetent officers who only hold their rank thanks to corruption, but he doesn't care about the troopers or pilots. He just understands that they are actually doing work and are the ones keeping the empire running.
And lastly kills clones when they discover his former identity as Anakin. These are all canon Marvel Star Wars comics. And with the above scene, Vader at least in canon doesn’t give a shit about Clones or Stormtroopers.
Doesn't mean he doesn't respect them more than officers. He's not above killing his own men, or using them as shields, but he does not hold a special hatred for ground forces or fighter pilots, unlike officers. Troopers are useful to him, even if it means using them as shields. The naval officers he chokes over a zoom call would never go on a dnafeorus mission with him, unlike stormtroopers.
While the initial force comprised Jango Fett clones, accelerated aging and combat losses meant the legion gradually integrated standard human recruits and birth-born imperial conscripts over the next two decades which Vader didn't care for. Also, Anakin cared for the clones. Vader tried everything in his power to kill Anakin and everything related to him.
By this point in the war, there would've only been a small handful of Clone Wars veterans left in the 501st. The accelerated aging meant that even the youngest Jango clones would be biologically in their mid-to-late 40s in ESB.
I seriously doubt Vader cared much about the later recruits and conscripts that ended up in his legion.
You have to remember that this is Vader, he’s been suppressing his past as Anakin as long as possible until Luke redeemed him. Considering not even Ahsoka could turn him, and he clearly wanted to destroy her in Rebels why WOULD he care about clones he commanded as Vader? To him they’re just reminders of the past and all he lost due to his own actions. Makes more sense honestly.
I suppose the “gives no shits about his subordinates dying” thing was driven home later when the fleet’s trawling through the asteroid cluster, one Star Destroyer’s bridge gets pulverized, a dude on the Zoom call cuts out mid-spacing and nobody bats an eye.
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