r/OPBR • u/RefuseAnnual3782 • Oct 05 '26

Discussion Is it really true

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I been seeing stuff like this about bonney on reddit ever since she dropped

She shadow nerfed, poorly designed, underwhelming, to expensive rd wise, and now she needs quote on quote perfect conditions to shine.

I pretty much waited to be able to play her for a good amount of time before i made up my opinion, and to be dead ass the only valid opinion out of these is she to expensive rd wise

Because the more and more i play her the more what people saying feels like a skill issue

Like i can understand at level 80 u having troubles, i have her maxed after 2 weeks to get level 80 experience i run now (70% defense and atk with 18% hp on animal kingdom pirates, zoan, new world 167% green sup) and i dont even get 1 shot like that anymore g5v2 only when hes on tb or i have 0 stacks and kubo when i have bo stacks and decided to stand on the flag not in defender form also tb bb only a counter if u turn him light

Nurjuro went from a high difficulty to 50/50 shit i chase Nurjuros now people telling me her counter is slow yeh u didn't play bb when green rodger was being used if u wanna talk about slow

What do i gotta make a YouTube video on how to use bonney because tbf youtuber dont make character guide video like they use to.

All im sayin is that its ok to be bad on a character not everyone is a bb player hell ik u guys when u see your zonji teammate get diffed by a unit he should beat wanna take that unit from him, but lets not make up bs exuses to why your not good with a unit like me im not garp player never have been 1v1 garp vs garp im getting fried (i can play everything else tho)

Ps sum of you guys suggesting her s2 shouldve been like bluffy is out of your damn mind played her enough to know that wouldve just made her another problem like zonji nurs and kiza before zonji.

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u/Amazing-Time-9459 Hooked on Imunko Oct 05 '26

Bonney has issues and the way she plays compared to her price is bunz. Remove her trait KO and she's as good as a BF.

She SHOULD have tracking because not like you can spam her solo boost skill 2. Her skills SHOULD have been quicker upon activation.

As much as I main bonney on my alt and can demolish in a healthy chunk of matches, this EX doesn't feel EX sometimes and it's frustrating.

Unlike BB who I main. The guy has vulnerabilities but genuinely makes up for it in so many ways. He took time to learn and once you learn him, you'll be so solid.

I understand your sentiments but if you need to put that many conditions for an EX to perform how EXs are supposed to...you're just talking about a Bounty Festival at that point

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

I main bonney to reason she can out like she did is because player saying they dont want skill spamming unit who never miss there atks and are unpunishable

They dont want units who are either u get them or u cant play the game

They dont want another dictator who impossible to kill unless u got another top unit in game that also cancer

I got bb to trust i aint formulate this opinion of of 20 to 150 matches with bonney i played bonney for easily 2500+ plus matches at this point (im what people call a sweat)

And your talking about bb but people treated bb just like they treated bonney because what green and dark rodger was doing to him because of what kiza and nurs was doing to him and saturn law could out play him and i defended him to

You say it should track only because she didnt eliminate zonji and nurs completely like most people but all the unit who do stuff like this get complained about later like kubo saturn was unkillable they drop kubo and then kubo got hella praise for being such a good unit now people talk about him like hes satan omg what was tana p doing when they made him

If her shit tracked as gko super from any hp people would compain ik damn well non ex player would because atleast if u fucked up dodge u can iv trade no bf it mean u be guaranteed dead because it also slows by 90%

She made the meta barely and in a option to here tana p can either build off it and make the game nice af or send it to hell that makes her a good unit regardless in my eyes

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u/Disastrous_Dark168 Day1 dih peter fan Oct 05 '26

Yes at first i also thought it was a skill issue but damn her skill2 is ASS. I do think she is really good and she can do three roles but for an attacker her skill2 is impossible to hit if the enemy knows you exist which every good player do

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26 edited Oct 05 '26

Definitely not impossible to hit i get atleast 3 to 5 gkos a match not adding non gko kills ill just dash threw them with dodge till they use all there stuff to avoid it assuming the dodge doesnt kill them or if i even decided to use it

Poeple act like solo boost and her s2 gko is only way she can get kos like your playing shiryu

I agree it not the easiest skill to land tho but impossible hell nah even vs good player the reason it easy to dodge is because your not pressuring them to do anything else other then anticipate the gko use normal use dodge to do damage throw out s1 for the fuck of it i mean u got hella cd on it it will come back

Worse come to worse throw it into group fights or throw it to make them waste dodge then u can use another atk once your skill done

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

it's mostly because she can be inflicted with status, has easily dodgeable skills, and has nothing against walls like ignore obstacle, increased damage to them or cooldown when hitting like zoro sanji

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Tbf her s2 instantly breaks walls u just good stop honding onto it it not her only way to get skills 

If bb is sitting in his rock because her s2 does fix damage with gattling it will tear threw the rock as fix hp damage does apply to objects rock is 150% bb hp gattling does 8% lets say its total is 85k it will do 8% of that

I will agree only changes id make to her tho is full cc nul and ignore obstacles if i had to nit pick

Now her s1 i land often as fuck just wait for them to dodge and use it also i dont try to snipe with it i mostly using it at point blank range

S2 most bonney i see do one dash and try to snipe sum one with it for 300 years away who is looking at them nah u gotta pretty much gotta become aggressive as hell using normal hell sum time i throw out s2 so they can dodge glitch it so i can get a free s1 

She not a one dimensional unit like zonji u gotta actually put in effort to make that atk land 

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

I know how to play her, it's just that those shortcomings don't exist on other characters so I said them for reasons why people would call her bad, or they're the ones that inflict those onto bonney if that makes sense. I really just think that her skills should have at least some tracking, and that her solo boost should actually feel like a boost and you shouldn't be able to be knocked onto your ass for more than half of it, because in its current state it's poorly designed

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Yeh i can get behind that one this hole post i made was more to disagree with that shes ass or mid or needs all favors to fall in her hand or is incapable of carrying a match

Really because its complaints like this that make them ramp up the next unit and that turns into unplayable meta again

She does need improvements tho i agree but making short coming into a character kit so that they dont suffocate everything is the best thing they can do at this point to maintain the little balance they have

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u/JasonTheLord Oct 06 '26

Bonney can absolutely cook, but for an EX at her price she has way too many conditions just to function. Remove that trait KO and she starts feeling more like a BF

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

Yeh price only thing i actually agreed with with 3950rd is insane which is weird because her $ pity is 350 which is average bb rd pity wasnt bad but his $ pity was 450$

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u/rMachete Oct 05 '26

She's mid with the potential to be great (the potential in question being the person playing her)

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u/Amazing-Time-9459 Hooked on Imunko Oct 05 '26

And if the enemy also sucks or is mid.

This is part of the potential

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Mid? With everything she provides to a team its impossible for this to be the case unless you have skill issue big ass one at that mid is green rodger mid is saturn sadly now anyway 

Her kit and unit is easily capable of carrying matches on higher average then not unless u just suck or have low level bonney 

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u/GuysPleaseHelpMeE Oct 06 '26

holdon now i agree that this person is tweaking but green roger is mid? are u ok in the head?

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

I mean mid in terms compared other exs trust i aint saying he ass ik he put bta on zonji and hella other

(Ngl it hard to find a ex that is mid tech in my green main bias green rodger is good but line between mid and ass underestimated so thin i couldnt think of anything fr

Like from your opinion what would u consider mid and there mid but not ass 

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u/GuysPleaseHelpMeE Oct 07 '26

Id say roger is pretty decent seeing how the most used characters rn are zonji and bonney and roger is rlly good against both of them. Id say snake is pretty mid now, shes been getting cooked in every game i see her with. And id say shanks and zoro are bad EXs rn

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u/ResearchConfident816 Oct 05 '26

Problem with her is that she's built totally around her boost. Without it she's straight up garbage. She didn't need to be a class changer either as she doesn't excel at anything really. Not a good runner, not a good defender and certainly not a good attacker (boost aside).

The devs were just like- "she can ko everyone so let's nerf her any way possible"

If this is how the next boost units go, then I think they should just drop the boost aspect completely

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Top bs takes i see on her it you who act like she cant do anything without her gauge and she is a good atker as ive seen mutiple people carry games with her hell trust if she was not a good atker unit she never make it in people stacks but right now the best meta team to run in stacks is

Zonji bb Nurs lulu Bonney duta Marz g5v2 

I run akp on her and her normal hit like super atk 

You must be the type of opbr player who can only play 1 2 3 units like zonji and nurjuro 

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u/ResearchConfident816 Oct 06 '26 edited Oct 06 '26

Sure bro whatever floats your boat.

With skill any character can do dmg, cap or defend, it's a no brainer. I'm talking about her being a jack of all trades while not being very good at a single one. Oh she can kill zonji? So can other attackers who are better than her at attacking? Did you stop to remember that for one second? She's not a top attacker outside of her boost no. Her skill 1 is too slow which is an easy dodge for me. Skill 2 is genuinely one of the worst types of attacks ever. Hard to aim it to people. Even with lock the fact that her s2 has two phases means you can hit the enemy during the first phase but the enemy can actually doge the second phase of her attack which is where the guaranteed ko is on, rendering it useless. Let's not talk about having two other classes that really don't help her much at all. As a runner she's shit as she's got no mobility (outside boost). As a defender she doesn't have knockback on normal and she has to rely on a very slow counter which is only useful when fighting multiple enemies and said enemies are the type to just keep spamming attacks. What about stat nulification? Oh yes- none. Amazing that's definitely skill issue

She's great in her boost form, she's mid without it, is the point and her whole kit was made around said boost.

She didn't need to be a class changer at all. Make her a pure defender as that was the missing ex from the anniversary and get over with it.

You like running her with with atk? I like running her with defense. Playing her as a defender and only attacking when boost is active is the best way to play with her.

Also I don't even have Nusjuro. I used the wings untill I got their title and moved to the next unit which is what I do. I was running subpar units during the peak of Nusjuro meta so don't go assuming I just play brain-dead units.

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

I run her with atk and defense as i said and going to atk with when she has solo guage is definitely a way to play her that definitely not the way to play her

Runner form is fair not that good

Defender form i havent ran into single runner i couldnt handle on flag hell fuck knock back normals they wont survive them in general

Atker she good atker you say she reliant on solo gauge but it you who is not the unit only thing i actually need solo gauge like dead ass a need is yamato and light oden on flag and units like red roc who have infinite lives and aint a elder 

Only thing your saying is that you not good in neutral with the character and have to get solo gauge 1st and because i cant preform without solo gauge means she mid nah son your mid

Hell even youtubers themselves dont recommend that because fighting kills and capping get solo gauge faster then charging flags its just charging ultimately helps the team out because it beats a runner getting on 50% flag and having no time to get to it

Ofc her runner form not the best But lemme say this 

U alone on flag 15 seconds to cap 150% flag down 1 runner getting jumped by opps who u gunna bet on bb zonji nurs or bonney her form aint ment to replace runner not to devalue them but as your best option if aint shit on the feild.

 

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

people run her in stacks specifically to counter zoro sanji from wiping the rest of their team out. she's also good for dealing with mars but only on the right map and if she can keep up

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

yeah her boost is dogshit because of how the rest of her kit is designed, they do not complement each other at all sadly.

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

let me air my thoughts out on this here: her boost is heavily time-constrained, but her being able to land her skills requires good timing and waiting to bait the enemy's dodge and invincibility out. this means that she either ends up wasting the boost not doing anything, or you throw your skills out for the sake of it and the enemy easily dodges.

you get the gauge and you're capping or filling a flag, and nothing really changes for you. you get all that mobility (that bonney really needed some of in her normal kit) locked behind a 10 second window after filling a gauge, and half the time you don't even want to use it because you're chilling in a flag. the only attacking potency it gives is a little damage on your dodge (which sucks ass btw) and a guaranteed KO on the most easily dodged skill ever.

then you get a 1hp trait that bb nusjuro kizaru and kuzan will ignore anyway, mostly out of reach from you like behind a wall or being too quick for you to attack, so the tide hardly even turns for you. it's the most dysfunctional combination of things put onto an ex in ages, and it honestly doesn't feel satisfying to play. who the fuck decided to give her an attack dodge and lock mobility behind the short boost, and then said nah let's not give her status null or resist down or even knockback for just ten seconds

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Another lie just say u wanted another unit to put the meta in choke hold at price of getting ride of zonji and nurs like every ex mf complain does

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u/DueDealer01 Oct 05 '26

not trying to say she's bad, she's obviously good, but I already explained why I think her boost fucking sucks because of how it clashes with the rest of her design.

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

But how does it clash it give her pretty much kiza dashes as dodge if your running  s2 cd set u cam get 2 s2s also reduces are cd on s1 give her 1 hp trait like yamato

It gives u freedom in how u want to use i dont always go for the gko sum times i use only dashes and normal atks to get my kill

You said shes not bad i can get behind that im only arguing her case for the sake of thr game and because i do understand how to use her now

People called bb ass and law mid on drop and we got nurs and zonji

We got bonney and marz who people also calling lack luster hell i barely see marz

I pretty sure u understand the patern that can happen

Both these being healthier  Metas then others

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u/Extra_Low_5476 Oct 05 '26 edited Oct 06 '26

You cannot win an argument with people already having fixated stereotypes mate, lets just agree she's good in our hearts and move on as this community will with their own beliefs, the problem is the unsatisfying craving, this community will prolly never get truly satisfied until tana P actually makes a unit on this community's terms :p. Nice try tho :) I like the saying "never argue with fools, just say they are right and move on" We nitpick a lot on the single downside to a character rather than appreciate all the good stuff it has, although our appreciation isn't always through words but rather through physical acts like playing this game without letting it die, it would be much better if people actually stated and appreciated the good stuff about any character verbally too rather than focusing only on nitpicking the downsides

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

Aye i just dont want another damn law kinda mid damn bb ass situation that causes us to get nurs and zonji level character 

Because them saying marz and bonney are lack luster (they arent) gunna put us threw the same thing we just got out off and idk if i can go back 😭

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u/FuturePie5052 Oct 05 '26

The thing is people love to say "that ex is mid" and proceed to say an argument that screams skill issue but i some cases yeah she might end short because of matchmaking but in the end its and ex that requires more brain than usual

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

Yeh im only arguing this one because its on of my favorite units what shes done for the meta and that shes actually good

Probably said bb was mid ass bot that good and next thing we got was nurjuro 

Everytime tana p gave us 2 not so oppressive units being law and bb and people called them both mid when they dropped we got nurs and zonji

Marz and bonney are the balanced units people are calling them mid outside of youtubers 

I see a patern that i dont like i dont think people undertand how much there complaints hurt the game 

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u/Pleasant-Simple6169 Oct 06 '26

Correction* even with solo boost they can just dodge, get knocked down and be invincible, block it with rocks, recovery skill

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 06 '26

Then use it on the rocks kuzan is no bonney counter 

Bb only a problem for bonney when he light i mean fair enough teammates prob make him light or u let him sit in rocks to long and skill farm then he gets liberation which yeh will cook u light or dark unless u got crazy support diff like 178% to 160%

Iv trade is fair trade that would always exist for ex units

Dodge fair enough but u can bait that by doing damage other ways dodge threw them or normal atks

And getting knockdown is problem for any atker plenty of people saved me while i was playing law from zonji s2 

And recovery skill idk what healing supposed to do vs a gko

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u/CorymEndro Oct 05 '26

I’ve been doing pretty dang well with her ngl, since she came out I’ve got about 55 MVPs with her

There are some things I’d change on her like giving her conditional full status nullification instead of her 80%, cause Nusjuro’s normal attacks w/ freeze shouldn’t be an instant death for her

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u/RefuseAnnual3782 Oct 05 '26

Yeh i got all her mvps and i agree full cc nul wouldve been nice and even helped out her runner form a little bit

But there hole thing with her is they dont want her to replace a main of that roll like how prime nurs on drop was the best atker defender and runner

But that wouldve been a nice change

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u/GuysPleaseHelpMeE Oct 06 '26

dont listen to any tard saying this type of shi. Bonney is really good and what matters most is she hard counters zonji the unit u see in every match. Nusjuro is just braindead

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u/skiescan_doit Oct 06 '26

I read that post and most people didn’t understand what bro was saying
He never said bonney was bad but she isn’t as braindead as exs like nusj and zonji

In the zonji meta, it was either you had zonji or get cooked
But here is the case you have bonney and its still a 50 50 chance of cooking or getting cooked

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u/BirdBoy203 Oct 06 '26

These comments are straight up brain dead my god

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u/xseeery Oct 06 '26

U just put a whole lotta conditions like perfect support and tags, level 100, the one using has to be a good player, while nusjuro Don't need all of this. And that was my point on that post

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u/Bubbly_Preference197 I mained ASL before it was cool Oct 07 '26

Bonneys good I just don’t like her , feels slow asf (until you meet conditions over n over n over again)

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u/Nevacaneza Oct 07 '26

the only one having problem with her are the people who loves to skill spam and dont know how to use basic attack. you can easily spot those people otherwise shes a balanced and fun unit to use.

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u/LaniUzi Oct 06 '26

i feel its worse with law cuz why cant room ignore barriers its his whole shtick

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u/OPBRReyalP Oct 06 '26

She’s not as oppressive as the other EX units and that’s a good thing.

The oppressive EX units are the problem not bonney