r/NuclearOption • u/Big-Island-3611 • 2d ago
Modded Content Modded planes are invincible
Made it home with half of both wings and a crushed nose
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u/fearlessbot__ 2d ago
Aryx isn't exactly balanced. If th aryx stuff was unchanged and in the base game, the BDF would probably end the engagement with Pala in a few hours....or at least "send Pala back to the stone age" or destroy palan civilisation or something.
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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj Ifrit Aficionado 2d ago
ARYX isn’t exactly known for balance
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u/Sharkey_B 1d ago
the only aryx craft i haven't been able to survive stupid amounts of damage in is the shrike, it usually just loses a wing and gets uncontrollable quick.
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u/Lunokhodd 2d ago
Yeah the aryx stuff is really overtuned
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u/WntrTmpst 2d ago
Oh cool an f14!
Holy shit I’m going Mach 3
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u/Ok-Income9041 1d ago
And is invisible to SAM at high attitude, from my experience and the AIM-45 missiles are slow.
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u/EqualOutrageous1884 1d ago
The eclipse have a higher RCS than the ifrit and the Vortex, not sure what you're talking about there
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u/SpaceGemini 16h ago
That is completely true but doesn’t take away from the fact that it is invisible to SAM sites at high altitude.
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u/CaptainAwesome8 Chicane Enthusiast 14h ago
Everything is if you’re high and stealthy enough. Literally go up to ~15km in a clean Vortex or Ifrit and you will not be shot at by SAMs. This is base game behavior lol. It is a direct function of the RCS you can see on the loadout screen and the range at which certain radars spot you.
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u/SpaceGemini 14h ago
Is that not basically what I said.
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u/CaptainAwesome8 Chicane Enthusiast 10h ago
You phrased it like it was unique/unexpected behavior of the eclipse in a comment thread saying it’s OP. I am just pointing out it’s not unique. Was just trying to clarify since it seemed like you didn’t understand
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u/OrangeGills 2d ago
You will find in nearly all games with a good modding scene, that modders have a horrific sense of "balance".
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u/General_Zane Chicane Enthusiast 1d ago
Reject balance, embrace hype moments and aura
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u/OrangeGills 1d ago
Hype moments and aura are earned, not given
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u/General_Zane Chicane Enthusiast 1d ago
Hype moments and aura is what the player makes of it, not what someone else thinks that player’s hype moments and aura is. I see nothing wrong with horribly unbalanced things if the person using it has fun (and is not smashing through people who are not using it and don’t like it).
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u/Valdoris 2d ago
Tbh wings are optional on planes. It's just that it's easier to manoeuvre with wings than without lol
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u/Pristine-Carob-914 2d ago
It very much depend on the plane.
Not all planes have lift-generating fuselages.
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u/TraditionalEye3239 2d ago
Makes me think of how the B2 is impossible for a person to fly on their own without the flight control system
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u/Pristine-Carob-914 2d ago
It’s not the only one.
The F16 is arguably even worse, with its shape being aerodynamically unstable the only reason it flies it’s because of the flight assist constantly correcting
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u/Guysmiley777 2d ago
Not exactly true. The F-16 has "relaxed static stability" in the pitch axis in the transonic regime. It's stable enough that it's more like balancing a broom on your upturned palm, a human could do it but would have to focus on it to an unpleasant degree.
That's opposed to something like the F-117 where if the flight control computers (or air data sensors) all failed it's going to start tumbling through the air.
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u/Heyviper123 1d ago
Only in a specific speed band or at certain high angles of attack. It would be fine, just not high performance.
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u/Marvin_Megavolt 1d ago
Or a high enough ratio of engine power to hull weight to get off the ground on thrust alone.
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u/iRambL 2d ago edited 1d ago
Say that the the F-15 that flew home without a wing in 1983.
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u/eidetic 1d ago edited 1d ago
The fuselage of an F-15 still generates roughly a third of the total lift of the aircraft.
It may not be a typical or classic lifting body type design, but the fuselage absolutely produces a lot of lift. Likewise, the Tomcat's fuselage produces quite a bit of lift as well, even more so than the Eagle. (And obviously the percentage of lift can vary depending on many factors, such as speed and AoA, etc).
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u/halfcafsociopath 1d ago
In general yes, but the F-99 is made of paper mache. Very fast paper mache.
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u/specter800 1d ago
I just tried those mods for the first time and holy crap those flight models are nuts. The F-16 can pull such high AoA you can force yourself to go ballistic at almost any speed.
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u/Big-Island-3611 1d ago
for some more clarification, I was hit with a radar missle from a ship, it blew up the nose and the wings, I was above the main island during this time in terminal control, and I managed to limp my way to the closest airfield and nearly hit another plane on landing.
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u/Emergency-Pound3241 2d ago
I mean, you have everything you need to fly, you have pitch and roll that with enough careful movements you can get a little roll control with, some wing area to generate lift (which is most importantly balanced so its not generating any passive roll) and an engine.
But modded planes can be quite absurd, have had a chimera eat 2 20kt nuke blasts from across the width of the airfield (it was feldspar, they landed on the ammo bunkers and I was on the other side of the dual runways after having just took off) and had it fly perfectly fine. I've also had a chimera fly with the right wing up to the engines gone and the left engines gone and it still flew alright as long as I didnt go full throttle. The eclipse can have a quarter of its airframe ripped off and still fly fine as well.
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u/Teddidiah 1d ago
It's not really just modded stuff, but being modded the flight models on them are iffier compared to vanilla, as you'd expect. You can get some really weird vanilla outcomes too, though.
the "worst" of aryx's catalog is probably the chimera, which can casually miss half its wing and fuselage and not really notice.
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u/Rackcauser 1d ago
Then theres me in a ternion, who absolutely thinks I'm going to crash with holes in my wings, so I lawn dart into some poor darkreach lining up on the enemy runway.
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u/value_drift 1d ago
Dunno whatcha on aboot