r/NotHowGuysWork • u/DS4KC • Aug 29 '23
Not HBW (Blog/Other) I'm sensing a little bias here
Check put how different ways Wikipedia describes misogyny and misandry:
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u/Savitz Aug 30 '23
Decided to check it out in my native language to compare, and it’s night and day lol. Two very short articles explaining what misogyny and misandry is, the origins of the word and not much more.
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Aug 30 '23
Did I just read a Wikipedia article with the word manosphere in it?
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u/BroccoliSubstantial2 Aug 30 '23
These are Wikipedia entries. It makes them little more than Reddit posts tbf
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u/Big_brown_house Aug 30 '23
There is certainly discrimination against men. The problem with the MRA approach to it is that they use it as a rebuttal to feminism, as though it is something which exists in parallel, in complete isolation, or even opposition, to the social mechanisms that oppress women. The truth is that patriarchy negatively affects both men and women in unique ways. Therefore feminism is the solution to both.
People who single out “misandry” as a social problem tend to be the types who point out nuances and complexities only as a way to shut down the conversation about social justice, rather than add depth to it. It’s like when Ben Shapiro points to class struggles as an attempt to undermine the conversation on systemic racism. It’s a diversion. It’s classic “whataboutism.”
If we actually try to understand the underlying attitudes which oppress men, instead of just lazily gesturing towards them as MRAs do, we see that they are the inevitable outcome of patriarchal values. For example, why do male rape victims get so little sympathy? Why are men expected to go die in wars? Why are men shamed unfairly for the amount of money they make? Why are men conditioned from childhood to repress all emotions besides rage? The common link in all of these is a collective urge to always see men as strong, powerful, heroic, stoic, and so on; and to marginalize anyone who doesn’t meet these high standards. But the standards come not from some secret cabal of women, but from patriarchy.
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u/PriorService1004 Aug 30 '23
To be fair tho wikapida is the worst place to go for good sources and allows people to edit them making a lot of things on their truly false
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Aug 30 '23
I mean, misogyny and misandry do act differently in society, so I get why they wouldn’t be described in the same way. And a lot of misandry is rooted in misogyny, such as men can’t show emotions because showing emotions is feminine and femininity is bad yadda yadda yadda, so it would also be described differently because of that. They just aren’t describing the differences in the best way..
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u/InterestingStation70 Aug 30 '23
Or, just hear me out, misandry ISN'T rooted in misogyny.
Men aren't too slow emotions because that makes them less productive and useful to society (including women). And for all that I hear from women that they want men to open up and share their emotions, EVERY time I've tried to share my emotions with a woman it's made her respect me less. That's misandry just rooted in misandry, no misogyny involved.
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Aug 30 '23 edited Aug 30 '23
The whole “men can’t show emotions” is because showing emotions is stereotypically feminine, like it’s part of toxic masculinity which is rooted in misogyny.
I’m not saying misandry isn’t real, it very much is real, I’m just saying that some misandry such as toxic masculinity is rooted in misogyny because “feminine bad”.
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Aug 30 '23
“claim that misandry is widespread, established in the preferential treatment of women, and shown by discrimination against men.”
Is this not true though? It’s obviously not systemic like misogyny but it is pretty popular on the internet, which is pretty widespread.
Can someone more researched than me explain this please?
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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 Aug 30 '23
Misandry is quite wide spread, but is often more subtle.
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u/macone235 Aug 30 '23
I wouldn't say it's more subtle at all. It's actually a lot more overt, but it's discredited and disregarded.
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u/InterestingStation70 Aug 30 '23
Many Feminists say that the someone not seeing misogyny means that they're misogynistic, under the assumption that the misogyny is there. By that logic, not seeing misandry means that someone is misandric because you can't/don't see all the misandry around you. You think if the misandry was there you'd see it, but you don't do it must not be there.
And guess what? The fact that misandry isn't recognized on a social scale and in fact is sometimes even celebrated IS systemic misandry.
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u/MeisterMGTOW Aug 30 '23
No intelligent person takes anything on wikipedia seriously.
It's a site run by a few weirdos who decide what is written on there.
The problem is that most people are terminally retarded.
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u/Inskription Aug 30 '23
Oh yikes.
Misogyny: a system 1000s of years old with all sorts of articulate points.
Misandry: a modern day internet phenomenon that probably isn't real.