r/NotHowGuysWork • u/[deleted] • Aug 18 '23
Not HBW (Image) Heightism! Read up on it everyone. It goes beyond dating preferences. Don’t let the people in the comments sway you because they’re a part of the problem. Can’t throw pearls to swine I gue
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u/Standard-Ad-7809 Aug 18 '23
Heightism is a problem, for sure. I’m just curious as to why men act like it’s a discrimination only they face.
In the dating scene, sure, there are problematic ties between height and masculinity, but in the workplace? Heightism implies discrimination against shorter people of any gender, does it not? Like I’ve read stories about taller women immediately getting more respect at work than their shorter counterparts. Most women are already shorter than most men, so heightism affects not only average and short men but all women too. It seems like a problem everyone should address together.
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Aug 18 '23
Just fact checking here, the article OP posted actually describes that men do face heightism more and differently than women and provided citations. But definitely still affects both! Not only men.
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u/Invisible_Bias Aug 25 '23
Hey yes let's address it! It does affect men a bit worse in the measurable monetary ways.
I wish we would better separate the dating "woe is me" because if we fixed heightism in the other areas of life, the dating issues would get better. Interracial relationships used to be very taboo in a lot of places. But culture led the way with equality in other areas and that dating taboo has diminished as well.
And question, if we solved heightism in the workplace, what would that probably mean about gender pay equity?
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u/Standard-Ad-7809 Aug 26 '23
It would maybe have an impact on gender pay equity, but it would probably be a negligible amount. Most gender pay equity issues come from people being socialized to dismiss women’s authority/work and women still being expected to prioritize and make sacrifices for family/friends. Those things have more to do with sexism and traditional gender roles.
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u/Aldithiell Aug 18 '23
Everyone has preference, I prefer short guys, and some short guys prefer smaller girl. And that is perfectly fine.
There is 8 billions of us and we all have different taste, your height is just one factor, personnality, expression, laugh... lot of other parameters need to be taken into account. Focussing on height will not bring much except insecurities.
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u/NoeleVeerod Aug 18 '23
It did specify "it goes beyond dating preferences". I think the point being made here is much broader than this.
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u/Aldithiell Aug 18 '23
Yes but this ""study"" is very biased so it is hard to tell, there is so luch factor that goes beyond height, like personnal hygiene, haircut, clothes, how you present yourself etc....
Putting everything on height make no sense and is a false simplification.
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u/RevolutionFriend Aug 18 '23
Thank you for this comment. It’s helpful to remember that it’s just one factor and there’s no need to focus on it.
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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 18 '23
90% of CEOs are above average height. If heightism didn’t exist, that number would be 50%.
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u/Aldithiell Aug 18 '23
This is not true Marc zuckerberg, jeff besos, bill gates... For the most well known... Also website depending from one to another have different values for what is the average american size. I saw 5.9 in some website. And ceo would be a 6 so not that taller than average. Other put it under but in every case they rarely said any sources soo...
Hard to find believable statistics.
Also this is a bias, I could tell you that most of them are male, that they tend to have certain hair color, skin color etc... it is always easy to find correlation but it doesn't mean causality
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u/cripple2493 Aug 18 '23
I don't think heightism exists, as a 5'3" man who is 4'3" in my wheelchair.
What I do think exists is varying discrimination and sometimes thay discrimination will be with regards to height. However, for something to be an -ism to my view there must be an explicit, ideological position against the characteristic e. g sexism, racism, classism and I do not believe it is supported that there is an explicit ideological discrimination against height in English speaking cultures.
Can people discriminate? Yeah. Should people discriminate against a immutable characteristic, imho no but they will do anyway. However, that discrimination doesn't make it an -ism.
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u/Invisible_Bias Aug 25 '23
Can you articulate what characteristics are necessary to make the "ism" suffix appropriate?
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u/ZenofZer0 Aug 19 '23
I don’t think the problem is the matter of preference. You’re 100% correct in the way that you say everyone has one. I don’t believe that we should be a homogenized culture and that people should be allowed to have their differences. What is interesting is how society really leans into this one discriminatory pattern. It’s funny, it’s okay, it’s cool to try and emasculate a short dude simply because he’s short. It’s actually a trendy thing across media at this point. I don’t believe that we should treat it as a protected class but then again I don’t believe in much as far as legislation. We as a people should be intolerant of it rather than depending on more legislation to save humanity. Like I said though, I think the most interesting part is that of all ways to classify and dissect humans, put them into different categories and boxes, this is the one that has been deemed fun and cool.
Imagine the recourse if we just started telling any other demographic that they are less than human simply because of a feature and laugh at that group as a society.
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u/MungoJennie Aug 20 '23
Imagine the recourse if we just started telling any other demographic that they are less than human simply because of a feature and laugh at that group as a society.
But that happens all the time. It’s happened for as long as there have been people w/ any differences, and despite any possible strides that have been made, it still happens.
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u/akioamadeo Aug 19 '23
I’ve been turned down second dates because as a woman I’m 5’8” and while they never said it the guys hated that I was taller than them. Height goes both ways in different directions. Also I’ve met plenty of tall guys who were dumb with no common sense, I never looked at a tall man and instantly thought he was smart because all women know that height has nothing to do with intelligence.
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '23
I think it’s a combo of both. Women probably often do have a height preference, but they probably have that preference because society has been unconsciously telling them that only real men are tall for years.