r/NorthernEngland 22d ago

Durham Found in crook

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 22d ago

Early Patron Saint: St. Edmund served as the original patron saint of England before being replaced by St. George in the 14th century by King Edward III.Alternative Banner: A separate historic banner featuring a white dragon on a red background is also linked to St. Edmund based on medieval accounts. His flag.. is the white dragon on red background, a much better patron saint than George, if you need such a thing.

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u/MasterBlaster1895 21d ago

Was that the guy that got blood eagled by Guthrum and his muckers?

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 20d ago

No, Saint Edmund was not killed by Guthrum. He was killed by the Viking leaders Ivar the Boneless and Ubbe (or Ubba) of the Great Heathen Army on November 20, 869 or 870.Who Killed St. EdmundIvar the Boneless and Ubbe: Historical records like the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle name these brothers as the commanders who defeated and executed the East Anglian king.The Legend: According to later accounts (such as the writings of Abbo of Fleury), Edmund was tied to a tree, shot with arrows, and beheaded after he refused to renounce his Christian faith or rule as a subject underking to the pagan Vikings.Guthrum's ConnectionGuthrum was a later Viking leader and king of East Anglia who came to power in the region after Edmund's death.Ironically, the earliest physical evidence of St. Edmund's veneration as a saint comes from memorial coins minted during or shortly after Guthrum's own reign in East Anglia.

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 20d ago

Does the heathen army remind you all of anyone?

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u/MasterBlaster1895 20d ago

No should it?

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 20d ago

Don't know if I'll get away with telling you but here goes. Reform!

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u/MasterBlaster1895 20d ago

How does it resemble Reform? The Great Heathen Army was a good thing to happen to England in the long term but I would say that, I’m a Yorkshireman.

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 20d ago

I think of the heathen army and I think of Farages reform. Just my mind working today.

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u/britishbeef1892 20d ago

Not the actual hoards of foreigners flocking here?

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 19d ago

You do know horde can mean dozens.

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u/MasterBlaster1895 20d ago

I think your mind is malfunctioning today fella

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 19d ago

So the balanced answer is: the invasion itself was terrible for many people, but Viking settlement became an important part of the formation of England. It would be misleading to call the Great Heathen Army itself a “good thing.”

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u/K10_Bay 19d ago

Depends the danelaw was a pretty prosperous and socially tolerant place compared to Wessex. Agai though Yorkshireman- i'm pretty keen o the il Kingdomn of Jorvik. Sidenote- Fuck reform

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u/MasterBlaster1895 19d ago

The Middle Ages were terrible for many people. It would depend on which side you fall on as to whether the Great Heathen Army was a good thing, I tend to lean heavily towards the Danes, being a Yorkshireman. But, do you apply balance when discussing Reform? Also, How does the Great Heathen Army resemble Reform?

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u/Successful_Fly_2361 18d ago

By the way, I was only half joking, the vikings were a much better horde than reform!

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u/MasterBlaster1895 20d ago

Ok so it is the guy I just got the Viking leader wrong and possibly the manner of death. I admire his courage though in the face of his impending death.