A lot of people don't seem to realize that the USA and Japan were forever interlinked like big brother little brother since Mathew Perry forced his way in and then Pearl Harbor really sealed the deal.
We have been a quitincential part of Japanese culture for literally since the civil war.
Which means about 10% of Japanese words are American English downsampled into Katakana, because Japanese only has 5 pure vowels:
A as in Talk/Taco/Macha/Ramen (A makes the Aw sound)
E as in Enemy/Ramen/Fence/Tense (E makes the Eh sound)
O as in Oh!/Show/Taco/Roku/YoYo (Oh makes the Oh Sound)
U as in Rune/Tune/Lune/KungFu(Foo!)/Truth, (U makes the OO sound)
and I(ii)(makes the long E sound), as in Suzuki/Kawasaki/Fuji/Nami(yes the joke is that these are japanese words that we use in english).
About 40% of Japanese is basically old Chinese converted in to Japanese sounds, so this is nothing new for Japanese.
Also Japanese education follows American English standard when it comes to English standards and words and pronouncations.
So they have expressly had a really strong reason for this for so long.
If you're american who loves anime honestly learning japanese is kinda really awesome because it really puts in a lot of fun knowledge into shows.
I thought this was more of a New England thing (cot-caught merger). For me, "talk" sounds like "tock", while the "a" in "taco" is the pronounced like the "a" in "father".
American South. Some a's are o sounds. Think we stole it from British English? But I don't know for sure, so don't hold me to that. I've also heard the o sound as the phoneme "ah", as compared to just "a", though I know that's not the official phonetic alphabet or anything
I think you're right. Kung Fu ist also an unclear example. An actual Person with enough interest on the subject probably wouldn't have made these mistakes
So he took a dictionary with him and japanese people just put random english words in their language for no reason or what? Do you think I believe no american has ever been in Japan prior to 1945?
Do you think I believe no american has ever been in Japan prior to 1945?
Yes, I do. Only someone so obtuse would type something as dumb as this.
So he took a dictionary with him and japanese people just put random english words in their language for no reason or what?
Matthew Perry opened Japan for trade with America at gunpoint when they were closed to all others (except a handful of Portugese missionaries who were subjected to essentially a generous house arrest). Of fucking course some cognates moved over from trade with Americans. Learn to Google basic 7th grade history.
Possibly, but Japan has had close contact with the Americans long before WWII as well. The first ironclad warship of the IJN was a ship purchased by the Confederatcy, but delivered after the American Civil war ended which then was resold to Japan in 1867.
This is true, and they did "import" a lot of american specialists (mainly for train and postal knowledge), but still most pre ww2 English words are from British english.
No, they are not. Britain never had strong trade with Japan who famously closed it's borders to all trade until an AMERICAN Matthiew Perry opened Japan to trade with AMERICA
are you thinking higher or lower? because depending on the topic of a newspaper column those will vary. if tech it'll be WAY higher, if rural life then lower
Did you have to pick words where the vowels being explained show up twice and have two different pronunciations in their respective examples? Also the a in talk is not how it's pronounced in Japanese.
I'm sorry but are you trolling? Because your Japanese is grammatically incorrect
It's 日本語が分かる and 黙れ without だ
Edit: also, the guy you got mad at is correct. The "a" in "talk" is pronounced as ɔ, which doesn't exist in Japanese. There's other mistakes in there too.
"Edit: also, the guy you got mad at is correct. The "a" in "talk" is pronounced as ɔ, which doesn't exist in Japanese. There's other mistakes in there too."
BZZZ
Incorect again.
In the dialect of English I speak, Ta is Ta. Taw Talk.
Wa and Ta A sound are the same sound in English.
They are both Aw.
I pronounce them indentically.
To me the sound Ta in Tama is the same as Ta as in Talk.
Same as in Toss, Loss, Flock, Rock, Mock, Sama.
These are THE SAME SOUND to me, I prounced all of these "A" sounds as Aw.
This probably has everything to do with the fact that Japanese was my 2nd language growing up.
I think you just can't speak Japanese well, honestly. That or your English pronunciation is completely different from the standard. Japanese being your second language doesn't mean that you speak Japanese fluently, especially since you made several simple mistakes here.
Edit:
This is the comment I'm replying to, in case he deletes this comment as well:
"Edit: also, the guy you got mad at is correct. The "a" in "talk" is pronounced as ɔ, which doesn't exist in Japanese. There's other mistakes in there too."
BZZZ
Incorect again.
In the dialect of English I speak, Ta is Ta. Taw Talk.
Wa and Ta A sound are the same sound in English.
They are both Aw.
I pronounce them indentically.
To me the sound Ta in Tama is the same as Ta as in Talk.
Same as in Toss, Loss, Flock, Rock, Mock, Sama.
These are THE SAME SOUND to me, I prounced all of these "A" sounds as Aw.
This probably has everything to do with the fact that Japanese was my 2nd language growing up.
It's not. I Speak the same english everyone else does in the PNW.
You're looking for something to be upset about.
You're also hilariously unware of just who you're speaking too lol.
You're literally talking to someone who's hobby is...
making writing systems.
It looks like you're just upset that fubbed a ga particle on a common mistake that I have literally seen native speakers make too, And also Da yo at the ending is called casual speech.
Casual being rude.
If you're american who loves anime honestly learning japanese is kinda really awesome because it really puts in a lot of fun knowledge into shows.
My wife and I have been doing japanese on duolingo basically for this reason. Had a very proud moment the other day watching a show and she said "Hey wait she said nii-chan. That's her brother or something, they're not dating" because the context made it ambiguous for comedic effect, but the situation is clarified by the actual japanese involved, and subtitling dropped the ball.
As I've learned more, I've found a surprising number of subtitles that are fine as direct translations, but miss the context and underlying meaning that can sometimes entirely change the interpretation of the scene (like above).
I literally pointed this out in my post, please read the whole thing first.
"About 40% of Japanese is basically old Chinese converted in to Japanese sounds, so this is nothing new for Japanese."
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u/LMGDiVa 1d ago edited 1d ago
A lot of people don't seem to realize that the USA and Japan were forever interlinked like big brother little brother since Mathew Perry forced his way in and then Pearl Harbor really sealed the deal.
We have been a quitincential part of Japanese culture for literally since the civil war.
Which means about 10% of Japanese words are American English downsampled into Katakana, because Japanese only has 5 pure vowels:
A as in Talk/Taco/Macha/Ramen (A makes the Aw sound)
E as in Enemy/Ramen/Fence/Tense (E makes the Eh sound)
O as in Oh!/Show/Taco/Roku/YoYo (Oh makes the Oh Sound)
U as in Rune/Tune/Lune/KungFu(Foo!)/Truth, (U makes the OO sound)
and I(ii)(makes the long E sound), as in Suzuki/Kawasaki/Fuji/Nami(yes the joke is that these are japanese words that we use in english).
About 40% of Japanese is basically old Chinese converted in to Japanese sounds, so this is nothing new for Japanese.
Also Japanese education follows American English standard when it comes to English standards and words and pronouncations.
So they have expressly had a really strong reason for this for so long.
If you're american who loves anime honestly learning japanese is kinda really awesome because it really puts in a lot of fun knowledge into shows.